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In order to improve accurate information about Sex Trafficking, Sex Slavery, Human Trafficking topics in Misplaced Pages, the following major news report information should be included in the discussion:

In order to improve accurate information about Sex Trafficking, Sex Slavery, Human Trafficking topics in Misplaced Pages, the following major News report information should be included in the discussion:

Village Voice Media News in the March 24, 2011 issue have a story about the controversial statistics used to calculate sex trafficking and Sex Slavery victims: By Nick Pinto – Village Voice Media:

http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-03-23/news/women-s-funding-network-sex-trafficking-study-is-junk-science/

March 2, 2011: In the Dallas News March 2, 2011 By JESSICA L. HUSEMAN -Staff Writer FBI report on Super Bowl Sex Trafficking:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/super-bowl/local/20110302-top-fbi-agent-in-dallas-praises-super-bowl-security-effort-sees-no-evidence-of-expected-spike-in-child-sex-trafficking.ece

January 31, 2011: Dallas TV News WFAA show about super bowl sex trafficking: by JASON WHITELY Dallas WFAA news:

http://www.wfaa.com/sports/football/super-bowl/Super-Bowl-prostitution-prediction-has-no-proof--114983179.html

About Super Bowl Sex Trafficking: Dallas Observer Newspaper: By Pete Kotz January 27, 2011: http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-01-27/news/the-super-bowl-prostitute-myth-100-000-hookers-won-t-be-showing-up-in-dallas/

Dallas Observer Newspaper: By Pete Kotz March 3, 2011: http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-03-03/news/super-bowl-prostitution-100-000-hookers-didn-t-show-but-america-s-latest-political-scam-did/

Lexicons

A new problem just came up - someone deleted a whole section of two Prostitution by country pages, to wit Prostitution in Sweden and Prostitution in Norway. The sections were headed Prostitution in Swedish, and Prostitution in Norwegian respectively. After an editing war I mothballed them into the talk pages pending discussion. Some of the criticisms was sarcastic and inappropriate, eg it would encourage trafficking, but in a comment on my talk page - because it was "unsourced". The rationale is that much of the material I used in writing those pages used original material in the language of the country, and the words to search on seemed relevant. Now maybe the heading was wrong, the position in the article wrong - near top, but it seems to me a useful addition, for instance here is one;

Prostitution is also called "prostitution" in Swedish, however sex work is called sexarbete, and a sex worker is sexarbetare. Sexual services are sexuella tjänster, purchasing sex is sexköp, and the law banning the purchase of sex is referred to as Sexköpslagen. Amongst third party activities, pandering or procuring is koppleri. A pimp is a hallick or sutenör, although pimp is now used in Swedish slang. A brothel is a bordell, and a madam is bordellmamma.

The links are to the appropriate pages on that county's Misplaced Pages. The Norwegian was more comprehensive. I used the original terms in parenthesis in the articles as much as possible. Can we discuss this? If there is concensus I will restore the sections. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 18:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I am one of the editors who deleted the sections, and I object to your implication that I have been edit warring. I removed the sections because the content was unencyclopedic, and IMO against WP:NOT#DICT and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. I have never seen similar sections in other articles, and I don't think that they contributed to the article. I could understand including them if there were some language-specific terms or concepts that didn't exist in English and had to be explained, but the words above can easily be translated to English. Sjö (talk) 18:59, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

The thing is: Mgoodyear has been alone against 3 other editors here, Sjö, Iselilja, and myself. There is no source for this lexicon, and the only argument that I can see Mgoodyear have made is that it is useful for his research. But that is not an argument to have this in the articles. They are now moved to the talk-pages, and I do not object to that. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

For clarification - edit war refers to when people repeatedly undo each other's edits, so I think that fits the definition, and usually requires resolution. A better method is discussion, from which everyone learns something. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 17:55, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't quite see how a lexicon can be considered 'unencyclopedic'. No, not my research, users. Let's take an obvious example - a user comes to the page to learn more about the subject, and goes to one of the links say in Norwegian, but is not a native speaker. They can use such terms to search the document. Next they might want to search the internet or other documents. In either case if they entered 'prostitution' or 'prostitution Norway' they would get very little, but if they knew to enter prostitusjon, the unique Norwegian word, they would retrieve a vast amount of literature. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 17:55, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm also looking for feedback on what would be considered acceptable 'sourcing' for translations of words. For instance in Prostitution in Sweden all words were linked to the appropriate page on the Swedish Misplaced Pages. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 17:55, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

And I completely forgot in the heat of the moment, to state that the idea originally came from the Norwegian Misplaced Pages article itself which includes a lexicon - Norske betegnelser innen prostitusjon. I hope that helps. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 00:09, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

There have been further deletions of Norwegian words from Prostitution in Norway which I am reverting pending discussion here. These were sourced and repeated deletions could be perceived as verging on vandalism. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and is supposed to be informative. To take one example - it is important the words that sex workers use. The profession is stigmatised and attracts many derogatory words. Sex workers in describing their work, try to use more positive words that are empowering, for instance they see - contrary to 19th century views - that they are contributing to sexual health and sexual education, a perspective supported by organisations such as the WHO. These conversations could of course take place in almost every country. These were all well sourced.

As for the other issue - although I do not currently have a source to confirm that 'free brothels' never happened - only that they were planned - even if they were stunts, it was a symbolic gesture - and deserves to be included - with clarification. Thanks. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 04:04, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The issue is far greater than these two pages, or even this project. To be consistent one would need to remove foreign words from dozens of pages in this project alone, let alone across the whole of Misplaced Pages. It would be very difficult to discuss many topics based in non English speaking countries without the use of the local words.

The other consideration is search engines. An English speaking user coming across the word hallik, and seeking its meaning might enter it into a search engine, and would be faced with many Norwegian only pages, and be none the wiser. Yet if we elect to retain the term here, given the prioritisation of Misplaced Pages on search engines, the meaning of the word would be obvious immediately. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 17:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't see any problem with the way the Norwegian terms are integrated in the article, I think it's perfectly reasonable to e.g. mention that some words are preferred by the prostitutes themselves and mention them in that context. What Huldra, Iselilja and myself objected to is a lexicon, a list of English words with their Norwegian or Swedish translation. It isn't a greater issue, since I have never seen any such section in any other article. Sjö (talk) 18:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to broaden/rename HIV/AIDS in the pornographic film industry

There is a discussion, Talk:HIV/AIDS in the pornographic film industry#Propose broaden scope and rename, that members of this project may be interested in. Lightbreather (talk) 23:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Good Article promoted in 2013, nominated for deletion

1. Critical response to She Has a Name
2. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Critical response to She Has a Name

WP:GA article Critical response to She Has a Name, promoted in 2013, nominated for deletion, discussion page is at: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Critical response to She Has a Name. — Cirt (talk) 18:47, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Prostitution in Canada template

In Template:Prostitution in Canada should the headers for organizations "Anti-prostitution" and "pro-prostitution" be changed to something more accurate and neutral? Discussion at Template talk:Prostitution in Canada#changing "Anti-prostitution" and "pro-prostitution" headers? Haminoon (talk) 10:31, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Involuntary celibacy

This RfC on whether we should have an article on involuntary celibacy might be relevant to editors from this WikiProject. CorporateM (Talk) 17:10, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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