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List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network Arabic

Hey all, problem article: List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network Arabic. Constant updates, never any sources, never any discussion, multiple IPs, frequent hops. Based on some random poking through the article and some WikiBlame searches it looks like it's been unsourced since the dawn of time. I've requested page protection, but MusikAnimal is understandably concerned about locking a bad version of the article. The question then is, what does a good version of the article look like? I'm very concerned that much of what we see in the article (like the 2011 start/end dates for The Smurfs, or the claim that S2 of The Looney Tunes Show aired before S1 in Oct 2014) will never meet WP:V, especially as long as the people who presumably have access to that information (the native Arabic speakers who watch the network and contribute constantly) refuse to add sources. Thoughts? I've floated a query by the Ref Desk asking any Arabic speakers to help with supporting the current lineup maybe. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Television infobox revamps

As the result of a discussion further up this page, we have started a revamp of television infoboxes, mainly to remove redundant fields and make all of the TV infoboxes that we use more consistent with each other. The discussion has started here and will proceed to other templates as necessary. If there are some things you'd like added to templates, or think should be removed, please join the discussion. You do NOT need to know anything about the mechanics of templates, the discussion is all about what content you think the infoboxes should contain. On a related matter, Template:Infobox Paris by Night has been nominated for deletion with a suggestion that parameters be merged into {{Infobox television episode}}, or even {{Infobox television}}. Since this is directly relevant to the revamps, comments by interested parties are necessary. The discussion is at Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 May 6#Template:Infobox Paris by Night. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Comments requested at Talk:Futurama

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Comments requested at Talk:List of programs broadcast by Nicktoons

Short story:

Comments solicited there, please. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Comments requested at Talk:VeggieTales

Hi, I'm trying to establish consensus for how cast list should be presented across various VeggieTales articles. "Larry the Cucumber as himself" vs. "Phil Vischer voices: Larry the Cucumber as himself". Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:48, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

PBS logos merger

A discussion about a proposal to merge PBS logos to PBS is active. Comments about this proposal are welcome. TheGGoose (talk) 23:49, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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Announcers

Do we need |announcer= added to {{Infobox television}}? Please add your thoughts to the discussion here. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:09, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Viewing figures query

I wondered if someone could give me some help with viewing figures. I'm working on "The 12 Days of Christine", and I'm getting conflicting information about viewership. Broadcast says: "The second series of BBC2's comedy Inside No. 9 launched on Thursday 26 March at 10pm. After 587,000 recorded and watched, it achieved 1.7 million/8%, the programme's highest rating yet. Series one averaged 1.1 million/5% on Wednesdays at 10pm in the winter of 2014, with the launch episode's 1.5 million/7% the best of that run. Series two's opener achieved 1 million/9% for ABC1's, compared with series one's average of 671,000/7%." Meanwhile, Digital Spy says "On BBC Two, Coast Australia was seen by 1.35m (6.1%), before Banished continued with 1.72m (7.7%) at 9pm, and Inside No. 9 entertained 1.10m (5.7%) at 10pm." They aren't referring to different episodes, and I don't see a reason to assume one is just wrong- I'm assuming there are different kinds of numbers here (especially as the Broadcast numbers don't correspond with the numbers they've given in other articles). Could anyone help me decipher this? Josh Milburn (talk) 13:25, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Well to me, it seems the first source (which I can't view because it is behind a subscription wall), is referring to the first episode of Series 2, while the Digital Spy one is referring to the episode you are working on. That should be the one you use. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:46, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
No- the title of the piece clarifies that it's talking about the week in which the second episode of series 2 was shown. Look again at the quote I've posted- after talking about numbers for "The 12 Days of Christine", it says "Series two's opener achieved 1 million/9% for ABC1's". Now, I don't know what "ABC1's" means, but that number roughly (though not precisely) corresponds with the number given in a different article Broadcast published. Does anyone have any experience working with these different kinds of numbers? Josh Milburn (talk) 08:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
But based on what I'm seeing, The 12 Days of Christine is not the series 2 opener, La Couchette is. What you quoted is info on La Couchette. And again, I can't help you with the article because it is behind a subscription wall and I can't view it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
The title of the Broadcast piece is "Top 15 consolidated shows: 23 - 30 Mar 2015 Top 15 consolidated shows: 30 Mar - 5 Apr 2015", so I was running on the assumption that the numbers I bolded referred to "Christine", as "La Couchette" was not broadcast in that time (though, I assumed, some info about "La Couchette" was provided for context). I may be wrong, though- like I say, I'm pretty mystified by the whole thing. (FWIW, everything about Inside No. 9 from the article has been copied above.) Josh Milburn (talk) 16:23, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Ok, I'm now finding that Nexis, through which I was accessing the Broadcast piece, is giving different article content from the Broadcast website. I'm really not doing well, here... Josh Milburn (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Better solution needed for "list of episodes" articles of TV series running many seasons

Software transclusion limits have been exceeded by List of The Simpsons episodes, which has been extended to a 27th season. See the discussion at Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes § Time for a split?. Ideas for creative solutions appreciated. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I asked Wbm1058 to post here because this is an issue likely to affect other programs. We regularly transclude season articles to the list of episodes page but, in the case of List of The Simpsons episodes, so many pages are being transcluded that when the article is loaded in a browser, the expanded page size is over 2MB. The "fix" that is being used at List of The Simpsons episodes is to copy the episode tables from (so far) seasons 1-4 back to the LoE page. All of the tables are being copied including the episode summaries, which aren't displayed, and the "{{Episode list/sublist|List of The Simpsons episodes" code in each episode entry. This results in List of The Simpsons episodes being extremely large. I removed the episode summaries and "/sublist|List of The Simpsons episodes" code, which reduced the page size by 39kB. Unfortunately, every time the LoE page is synced with the season articles this code is restored, blowing out the article size again. This doesn't stop the problems that we have when we have two copies of an episode list, making it a non-ideal solution. It also will get worse. As each new season is added, another season will have to be copied. As I understand it, Wbm1058 and others have tried alternatives but these have met with some resistance. Since this is an issue that is likely to affect other articles, we need to look at a better solution that we may have to document in the MOS. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I would suggest that to keep transclusion (a desired feature), you split the list of episodes into two lists. Redirect the current list page List of The Simpsons episodes to List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 1-20), which should be below the safe transclusion limit, create the second page, and then make sure to hatnote both pages to say "Due to technical limitations of the Wikimedia software, this list is split into two parts". Maybe even limit it to 10 seasons, to value page delivered size to content. --MASEM (t) 18:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking of something along those lines although I wouldn't necessarily redirect List of The Simpsons episodes. Rather, I feel we could just move the episode lists into two sub-articles. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Now it looks like we won't need to split until October or later, as I was able to transclude all of the content again. Someone must have made some of the underlying transcluded sub-pages or templates more byte-efficient, though I don't know specifically what was done. Maybe more Lua conversions? Wbm1058 (talk) 22:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
The redirect would be necessary as "List of The Simpsons episodes" is a potential search/previously linked term, and even if one ends up on the first page of many, it should be very easy to navigate to others. Taking account this doesn't have to be done now, an example in another area that we've done is Complete list of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series, which you'll notice the infobox is a quick nav box to the by-year lists (we didn't have a transclusion issue, but a page size issue so we could still have the complete list), a similar nav structure could be set for split episode lists when that time comes. --MASEM (t) 22:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Would, instead of a redirect, treating it like a disambiguation page work at all? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
If we use a page title like List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 1-20), where are seasons 21-27 going to sit? List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-27)? List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-40)? List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-present)? We need to future-proof the pages. In any case we shouldn't be daisy-chaining pages. If we redirect List of The Simpsons episodes somebody looking for a season 27 episode list would find themselves at List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 1-20) and then have to go to List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-27). Much of the content in List of The Simpsons episodes is relevant to all episodes and we shouldn't duplicate it on sub-pages. It would make far more sense to setup a tree system with List of The Simpsons episodes looking something along the lines of this, which retains the structure of the existing article. Sub-lists would be named "List of The Simpsons episodes (part x)". By naming them "part x" we future proof them by making them independent of the season number. Sublists would only need a brief lead, the portion of the series overview table relevant to that list (and there are ways of transcluding that - See this example), the transcluded episode lists and the normal "footer" information (refs, navboxes, categories etc). --AussieLegend (✉) 10:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network Arabic

Hey all, problem article: List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network Arabic. Constant updates, never any sources, never any discussion, multiple IPs, frequent hops. Based on some random poking through the article and some WikiBlame searches it looks like it's been unsourced since the dawn of time. I've requested page protection, but MusikAnimal is understandably concerned about locking a bad version of the article. The question then is, what does a good version of the article look like? I'm very concerned that much of what we see in the article (like the 2011 start/end dates for The Smurfs, or the claim that S2 of The Looney Tunes Show aired before S1 in Oct 2014) will never meet WP:V, especially as long as the people who presumably have access to that information (the native Arabic speakers who watch the network and contribute constantly) refuse to add sources. Thoughts? I've floated a query by the Ref Desk asking any Arabic speakers to help with supporting the current lineup maybe. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Television infobox revamps

As the result of a discussion further up this page, we have started a revamp of television infoboxes, mainly to remove redundant fields and make all of the TV infoboxes that we use more consistent with each other. The discussion has started here and will proceed to other templates as necessary. If there are some things you'd like added to templates, or think should be removed, please join the discussion. You do NOT need to know anything about the mechanics of templates, the discussion is all about what content you think the infoboxes should contain. On a related matter, Template:Infobox Paris by Night has been nominated for deletion with a suggestion that parameters be merged into {{Infobox television episode}}, or even {{Infobox television}}. Since this is directly relevant to the revamps, comments by interested parties are necessary. The discussion is at Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 May 6#Template:Infobox Paris by Night. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Comments requested at Talk:Futurama

Does "The Simpsons" belong in the |related= parameter of Futurama? Please comment at Talk:Futurama. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:01, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Comments requested at Talk:List of programs broadcast by Nicktoons

Short story:

Comments solicited there, please. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Comments requested at Talk:VeggieTales

Hi, I'm trying to establish consensus for how cast list should be presented across various VeggieTales articles. "Larry the Cucumber as himself" vs. "Phil Vischer voices: Larry the Cucumber as himself". Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:48, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

PBS logos merger

A discussion about a proposal to merge PBS logos to PBS is active. Comments about this proposal are welcome. TheGGoose (talk) 23:49, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Joker (comics) listed at Requested moves

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Announcers

Do we need |announcer= added to {{Infobox television}}? Please add your thoughts to the discussion here. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:09, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Viewing figures query

I wondered if someone could give me some help with viewing figures. I'm working on "The 12 Days of Christine", and I'm getting conflicting information about viewership. Broadcast says: "The second series of BBC2's comedy Inside No. 9 launched on Thursday 26 March at 10pm. After 587,000 recorded and watched, it achieved 1.7 million/8%, the programme's highest rating yet. Series one averaged 1.1 million/5% on Wednesdays at 10pm in the winter of 2014, with the launch episode's 1.5 million/7% the best of that run. Series two's opener achieved 1 million/9% for ABC1's, compared with series one's average of 671,000/7%." Meanwhile, Digital Spy says "On BBC Two, Coast Australia was seen by 1.35m (6.1%), before Banished continued with 1.72m (7.7%) at 9pm, and Inside No. 9 entertained 1.10m (5.7%) at 10pm." They aren't referring to different episodes, and I don't see a reason to assume one is just wrong- I'm assuming there are different kinds of numbers here (especially as the Broadcast numbers don't correspond with the numbers they've given in other articles). Could anyone help me decipher this? Josh Milburn (talk) 13:25, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Well to me, it seems the first source (which I can't view because it is behind a subscription wall), is referring to the first episode of Series 2, while the Digital Spy one is referring to the episode you are working on. That should be the one you use. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:46, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
No- the title of the piece clarifies that it's talking about the week in which the second episode of series 2 was shown. Look again at the quote I've posted- after talking about numbers for "The 12 Days of Christine", it says "Series two's opener achieved 1 million/9% for ABC1's". Now, I don't know what "ABC1's" means, but that number roughly (though not precisely) corresponds with the number given in a different article Broadcast published. Does anyone have any experience working with these different kinds of numbers? Josh Milburn (talk) 08:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
But based on what I'm seeing, The 12 Days of Christine is not the series 2 opener, La Couchette is. What you quoted is info on La Couchette. And again, I can't help you with the article because it is behind a subscription wall and I can't view it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
The title of the Broadcast piece is "Top 15 consolidated shows: 23 - 30 Mar 2015 Top 15 consolidated shows: 30 Mar - 5 Apr 2015", so I was running on the assumption that the numbers I bolded referred to "Christine", as "La Couchette" was not broadcast in that time (though, I assumed, some info about "La Couchette" was provided for context). I may be wrong, though- like I say, I'm pretty mystified by the whole thing. (FWIW, everything about Inside No. 9 from the article has been copied above.) Josh Milburn (talk) 16:23, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Ok, I'm now finding that Nexis, through which I was accessing the Broadcast piece, is giving different article content from the Broadcast website. I'm really not doing well, here... Josh Milburn (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Better solution needed for "list of episodes" articles of TV series running many seasons

Software transclusion limits have been exceeded by List of The Simpsons episodes, which has been extended to a 27th season. See the discussion at Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes § Time for a split?. Ideas for creative solutions appreciated. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I asked Wbm1058 to post here because this is an issue likely to affect other programs. We regularly transclude season articles to the list of episodes page but, in the case of List of The Simpsons episodes, so many pages are being transcluded that when the article is loaded in a browser, the expanded page size is over 2MB. The "fix" that is being used at List of The Simpsons episodes is to copy the episode tables from (so far) seasons 1-4 back to the LoE page. All of the tables are being copied including the episode summaries, which aren't displayed, and the "{{Episode list/sublist|List of The Simpsons episodes" code in each episode entry. This results in List of The Simpsons episodes being extremely large. I removed the episode summaries and "/sublist|List of The Simpsons episodes" code, which reduced the page size by 39kB. Unfortunately, every time the LoE page is synced with the season articles this code is restored, blowing out the article size again. This doesn't stop the problems that we have when we have two copies of an episode list, making it a non-ideal solution. It also will get worse. As each new season is added, another season will have to be copied. As I understand it, Wbm1058 and others have tried alternatives but these have met with some resistance. Since this is an issue that is likely to affect other articles, we need to look at a better solution that we may have to document in the MOS. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I would suggest that to keep transclusion (a desired feature), you split the list of episodes into two lists. Redirect the current list page List of The Simpsons episodes to List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 1-20), which should be below the safe transclusion limit, create the second page, and then make sure to hatnote both pages to say "Due to technical limitations of the Wikimedia software, this list is split into two parts". Maybe even limit it to 10 seasons, to value page delivered size to content. --MASEM (t) 18:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking of something along those lines although I wouldn't necessarily redirect List of The Simpsons episodes. Rather, I feel we could just move the episode lists into two sub-articles. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Now it looks like we won't need to split until October or later, as I was able to transclude all of the content again. Someone must have made some of the underlying transcluded sub-pages or templates more byte-efficient, though I don't know specifically what was done. Maybe more Lua conversions? Wbm1058 (talk) 22:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
The redirect would be necessary as "List of The Simpsons episodes" is a potential search/previously linked term, and even if one ends up on the first page of many, it should be very easy to navigate to others. Taking account this doesn't have to be done now, an example in another area that we've done is Complete list of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series, which you'll notice the infobox is a quick nav box to the by-year lists (we didn't have a transclusion issue, but a page size issue so we could still have the complete list), a similar nav structure could be set for split episode lists when that time comes. --MASEM (t) 22:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Would, instead of a redirect, treating it like a disambiguation page work at all? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
If we use a page title like List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 1-20), where are seasons 21-27 going to sit? List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-27)? List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-40)? List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-present)? We need to future-proof the pages. In any case we shouldn't be daisy-chaining pages. If we redirect List of The Simpsons episodes somebody looking for a season 27 episode list would find themselves at List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 1-20) and then have to go to List of The Simpsons episodes (Seasons 21-27). Much of the content in List of The Simpsons episodes is relevant to all episodes and we shouldn't duplicate it on sub-pages. It would make far more sense to setup a tree system with List of The Simpsons episodes looking something along the lines of this, which retains the structure of the existing article. Sub-lists would be named "List of The Simpsons episodes (part x)". By naming them "part x" we future proof them by making them independent of the season number. Sublists would only need a brief lead, the portion of the series overview table relevant to that list (and there are ways of transcluding that - See this example), the transcluded episode lists and the normal "footer" information (refs, navboxes, categories etc). --AussieLegend (✉) 10:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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