Misplaced Pages

Talk:Spata family

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Zoupan (talk | contribs) at 16:14, 25 July 2015 (→Hammond). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Revision as of 16:14, 25 July 2015 by Zoupan (talk | contribs) (→Hammond)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)
This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject iconAlbania
WikiProject iconSpata family is part of the WikiProject Albania, an attempt to co-ordinate articles relating to Albania on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion. If you are new to editing Misplaced Pages visit the welcome page so as to become familiar with the guidelines. If you would like to participate, please join the project and help with our open tasks.AlbaniaWikipedia:WikiProject AlbaniaTemplate:WikiProject AlbaniaAlbania
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
WikiProject iconGreece
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Greece, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Greece on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GreeceWikipedia:WikiProject GreeceTemplate:WikiProject GreeceGreek
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
WikiProject iconMiddle Ages
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Middle Ages on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Middle AgesWikipedia:WikiProject Middle AgesTemplate:WikiProject Middle AgesMiddle Ages
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Hammond

@Zoupan:,as I said ,Hammond sauy : "In 1358, Albanians overran Epirus, Acarnania and Aetolia, and established two principalities under their leaders, John Spata and Peter Losha".So the word "Vlach" will be deleted.Rolandi+ (talk) 15:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Don't be ignorant. I presented Hammond at Malakasi, --Zoupan 15:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond (1976). Migrations and Invasions in Greece and Adjacent Areas. Noyes Press. ISBN 978-0-8155-5047-1. One of the tribal names used by Cantacuzenus, 'Malakasii', was derived most probably from the plain 'Malakasa' or 'Malakastra' between Valona and Berat, which provides superb winter pasture. The name is evidently of Vlach origin ... They were in fact Vlachs; for the Vlach-speaking Malakasii and Bouii, who live today in central Pindus and in southern Thessaly, are undoubtedly descendants of these same people.9 They were called "Albanians" by Cantacuzenus, because they had come in a geographical sense from the area which he called "Albania"; this included the lowland plain of Malakasa ...

Vlachs should not be deleted. If the migration included Albanians and Vlachs, this should be explained, as is done by Hammond, instead of using Albanians which refers to people (collectively) from Albania.--Zoupan 15:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you think that I am ignorant?OK. Anyways,Hammond says "Albanians" and it will be "Albanians".As for the fact that some Vlachs were called "Albanians",it is explained at the article.The used reference says "Albanians" so it will be "Albanians".Rolandi+ (talk) 15:56, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

That is simple WP:POV and will not help your defence at the notice board. Hammond (secondary) explains that Cantacuzenus (primary) used "Albanians" for both Albanians and Vlachs who migrated from Albania into Greece. Read Misplaced Pages:Cherrypicking.--Zoupan 16:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Categories: