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Title Verification

The press release at Disney's Consumer Site just lists the new title as "Operation Overdrive"; no colon. We should probably get that settled before any more links to the new article are reset/made on the main PR article, or before this article's move is completed. Arrow 20:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion?

I do not understand what "History merge required from the history revisions on Power Rangers: Operation: Overdrive" means. And why would the page require deletion for this reason? Any assistance to improve the page is necessary. Ryulong 07:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The edit history of this page is at Power Rangers: Operation: Overdrive, with the extraneous comma; the current title was created by a cut & paste move. The edit history must be preserved to comply with the GFDL. See Misplaced Pages:How to fix cut and paste moves. In short, the page will only be deleted temporarily, and it will return to its current state in very little time.--SB | T 08:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I apologize. I thought that the article was going to be listed for permanent deletion. I will restore the speedy deletion template. Ryulong 08:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Or you will do it. Ryulong 08:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright, cool. Glad we got that settled :).--SB | T 08:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Now I can sorta fix the cut and paste moves I did myself >>;. Ryulong 08:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The Zords for PR:OO

I think it's a safe bet to list at least what the Gougou Vehicles and Gattai Machines are, as it's a safe bet that Bandai/Disney will sell the toys for all (currently) 13 Zords/mecha. They sold Bakurenoh/Blizzard Megazord from Abaranger/Dino Thunder in the states, and that mecha was only seen in the Abaranger movie, and in Dino Thunder for five seconds. Ryulong 00:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Why does the trivia section mention that this will be the first time we get an eight-piece Megazord? Up until the nine-piece Super Daibouken, none of the extraneous combinations in Boukenger went higher than seven, if I remember correctly. Arrow 02:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I listed an eight-piece Megazord because the main Super Sentai page for some reason lists the same fact for Boukenger. Perhaps the Gougou Jet can add onto one of the seven-piece combinations resulting in an eight-piece mecha. Ryulong 02:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Like a DaiBouken Drill and Shovel Buster Mode. Ryulong 02:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, its reasonable to list the vehicles and mecha if you wish, because those will almost certainly remain the same. Largely, I wanted to discourage any unreasonable speculation (that and the morphers could easily change, even though they probably won't.). --SB | T 02:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the only time they changed a morpher was for the White Power Ranger, seeing as they didn't use any of the Dairanger stuff except for his suit and the zord footage. And that giant cannon. Ryulong 02:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Delay

Usually, information about the next season leaks out sometime around mid-June. It's now mid July, and we've heard next to nothing about Operation Overdrive. Have we been searching for info in the wrong places?

- ManVsMachine 4:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Its possible that the producers want to keep the series a secret. You know, underwraps from internet geeks like us from being able to spoil the whole series.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick lay95 (talk • contribs)

Or, far more likely, is that is that there is simply no information as yet available. These things do not work like clockwork, if nothing has been leaked or reported or released, it is most likely because there is nothing to leak or report or release at this time. When information becomes available, the article will be updated; until then, we (as Misplaced Pages editors, anyway) can only wait. Thanks.--SB | T 20:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Character list

Do NOT add a character list to this article. None of the character names have been proven to be correct, and they only exist as pure speculation. Speculation will be removed from any articles, especially this one. Ryūlóng 06:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Unless one has a reliable source for the information, then do not add it. Ryūlóng 06:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. Yes, there is this, but note that the poster has no evidence; he simply says "this is what the casting call says". Certainly, he could be correct, but we don't know that, and some random person on a message board is not reliable for this sort of information, even in the most liberal interpretation of what constitutes a reliable source.-SB | T 19:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there any reason that we can't have a speculation section for this. Silver95280 16:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:No original research or Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not#Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Any of the names that supposedly come from the casting websites are not confirmed, and should not be included. For all we know, the "All American Nick Lachey type" Rex will be the Blue Ranger or even the Silver Ranger. Ryūlóng 20:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Official Logo

Here. Technically this falls under the Reliable Source stuff linked not more than a few lines up, but the guy who revealed the logo is the same one (of two) who's given us accurate titles for episodes months in advance for the past several years. So it's probably reliable as far as the PR fandom is concerned, just not as far as Misplaced Pages is concerned. Arrow 20:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

It would probably be best to leave that off of Misplaced Pages for a few more months, at least until Disney has the inevitable preview/press leak. Similar to the above, it is best that we wait for anything official from Disney/PR Productions/etc. Ryūlóng 21:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

To anyone else who adds the logo: RANGERBOARD AND ITS USERS ARE NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE, DESPITE THE HISTORY OF THE USER WHO CLAIMS TO BE RELIABLE. Just because Kyl has found a logo doesn't make it official. Save the file, and post it again in a few months when we know it's official (this means use in a Disney and/or Bandai product). Until then, it will be removed. Ryūlóng 20:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ryulong, That's basically what I been telling them since I left Rangerboard like the day following FVJ release 3 years ago. Rangerboarders, the moderators and some of the administartors are like biggest bunch of goons, it's not even funny. Burgundy as well. There like that guy Matt aka Dukemon22 who find something, but don't reveal the source or credit but yet wanna lie and say "the bords get harrassed." Crock of *hit, if that were the case, the person who reveals it to them would know longer supply it to them.

Also, concerning Rangerboard and Operation Overdrive, some of it was stolen. I'm back at Rangerboard as I used to be very fed up with there shit and they changed my name to Heinikien Piss. Then Ray Calderon sent a message that same year, like Christmas 2003 when Con, Mo, Next2, etc got together in New York. Something about blowjobs. What a homosexual! Then my brother sent them a message like earlier this week as he was being flamed, Ray or ModernRomance basically told him to fuck off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boukenger (talk • contribs)

I got some of the same treatment posting a question about the PRMF Japanese magazine scan, picture included. I'm fairly sure whatever moderator closed the thread did so in a way that he was a real ass to me. Ryūlóng 16:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The logo originally came from a post at Fuñaroboard for the record, not Rangerboard. Arrow 17:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Still, Funaroboard isn't any more reliable. Ryūlóng 20:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Very true. I'm just making the point that problems people have had with Rangerboarders in the past has nothing to do with the reliability of this picture. I didn't mean to patronize you guys, or your experiences, in any way. Arrow 22:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Very true. It's just that message boards in general cannot be taken as reliable sources for pretty much anything, unless they are official. Ryūlóng 22:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh god not you. You are a KNOWN TROLL! You claimed that your "Aunt Jackie" told you a bunch of BS and that she's the story editor of PR, the real Jackie came along and quickly proved you wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.131.227.22 (talk • contribs)

Kyl is a reliable source, if not, then remove the upcoming episodes from the Mystic Force page as he IS where those titles came from. Don't be hypocrites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.157.114.231 (talk • contribs)

Whether or not Kyl is a reliable source or not is not the issue. As long as the information is listed on official websites (which Heir Apparent, Part II and The Light are ) then it will be kept on Misplaced Pages. If Kyl gets his sources because he works for Disney, then he has to show where he got the logo. Right now, it is still several months until any major official releases on Operation Overdrive, and as such, its logo will not be included on this article. If and when Kyl is proven right by a Disney or Bandai release, we will include the logo. Ryūlóng 00:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I have included a reference to Kyl's posting of the logo at Fuñaroboard, but it will not be used inline in the text until Disney or Bandai shows anything. Ryūlóng 00:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

If you refuse to accept the logo as legit, then under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should the soon to be released September episode titles be posted as they come from the same source. The point he's making is not that "The Hunter" is false, the point is that if you refuse to accept the logo is legit, you have no business posting any episode titles released by BurgundyRanger and/or KyL as they all come form a source you cannot prove for yourself either. As for Ryulong, if you still don't get why your thread was closed, you are totally clueless. It was closed because it was posted at RB long before you came along and posted it. If you're wondering how he got the logo, he got it from the press contact that's right on the main press release announcing the season title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.131.227.22 (talk • contribs)

There is a serious issue with automatically believing that someone's information is false just because they frequent a particular website. Every messageboard in every fandom has it's redeeming qualities, just as much as their bad ones. Associating any of the above information providers with certain messageboards is not only ignorant, but defeats the purpose of having any articles on Power Rangers, as most ALL information that is in any of these articles can be found on the messageboards. --JPG-GR 04:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

My actions on RB and my actions here have nothing to do with each other. If the information on the Mystic Force episodes come from Kyl, and if they are posted, then we will use them, as I base my inclusion for episodes if they are listed on TV.com. And if the names on TV.com come from Kyl, then I guess that's what's going to end up here. However, if you continue to attack other editors on this page, you will find yourself blocked for personal attack violations. Additionally, I see no logo on the press release that mentions Operation Overdrive, or in the thread at Fuñaroboard or Rangerboard (that mention the releases, originally; the logo was added afterwards). The original logo is huge and uploaded to his aol homepage, and has been since uploaded to various photobucket accounts. Even if it was legit, we (Misplaced Pages) could not track down the source, and it would be deleted for that reason, instead of being incorrect. Ryūlóng 04:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not commenting specifically on your actions, or even on the particular situation. I am just stating an observation that, in the case of this particular fandom, much of the information on the show that is obtained before the airing of a particular episode is almost ALWAYS provided by a member of the fandom. By discreditting any member of the fandom, you must discredit them all. Some members have connections, some don't, and some have access to more information than others. I cannot speak to the accuracy or official-ness of this logo, nor will I. Just trying to open everyone's minds to the slippery slope. --JPG-GR 04:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, my response was originally to the guy who proclaims that I am wrong and that under so circumstances, etc. While it is true that a good portion of the information does come from members of the fandom (they are the ones that update TV.com), it is just that something as exact as this logo is way too unsourceable. Did Kyl get it from a press release? He may have, but we have no proof that he didn't do a good amount of photoshopping to the Boukenger logo (which it was compared to on Fuñaroboard) and on RB, there was a user who photoshopped the logo into two other variations, and she claims she even got the changes to the Mystic Force logo right. While it is right to avoid slippery slopes, it is also wrong to use material that will be a bitch to source, which the logo is proving to be. Ryūlóng 04:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

This is akin for the "cast lists" and "I got interviewed and they told me I should look good in lycra if I want to be a power ranger" postings at the boards. Kyl (or anyone else with connections) may find this out, but cast lists from mid 2006 won't be as useful as those in late 2006 or early 2007. I can remember that Vida's last name changed between "Grey" and "Rocca" until anything vaguely representing something on Disney aired that revealed it. Ryūlóng 05:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It appears that Kyl himself showed up and editted the article. I have invited him to join the discussion here. Ryūlóng 05:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

This is an ultimatum, as long as you refuse to recognize the logo as official, I have decided to invoke one of the clauses when it comes to sources where the source can say his info is to be removed. I officially request you remove any info that traces back to me as the source. This includes the logo, any future episode titles at TV.com, as they have been posted by me, any future descriptions as they are also posted by me, and any info that traces back to press releases that have been posted by me from the press/affiliate site as you have no proof to their validity as the only source that comes from a Disney page is password protected. This does not include the overdrive release from the Consumeer Products site. Episode titles that trace back to me are not to be posted until they are viewable at Zap2it.com and/or TVGuide.com two weeks in advanced from the air date.--Kyl416 13:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, you cannot make ultimatums. Any and all edits on Misplaced Pages are licensed under the GDFL. Secondly, at this moment, this massive logo is unverifiable because while you may be the secondary source, the fact that it is information privy to those who have some sort of press/affiliate membership to the Disney website means that only a select few should have access to the information, and it may fall under the umbrage of original research. If the information you supply to the message boards and fandom makes its way onto TV.com, and then it comes here, then our resource for this information is TV.com, which is only slightly more reliable than information that comes from a password protected area. I have replaced the logo information in the Notes section, and I will change it so it does not say whether or not it is official or possible. Ryūlóng 21:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It being from TV.com does NOT make it anymore reliable as it's the EXACT SAME PERSON who's posting it there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyl416 (talk • contribs)

Please see my above statement. Ultimatums are not allowed on Misplaced Pages. I have editted the statement about the logo so that it does not say it is official or possible, just that you had posted it, and that there has been nothing released to the public about it. If you continue to remove the information, you may receive a temporary block for 3RR violation. Ryūlóng 21:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The heart of the matter

Copy of my post from RB since it sums the topic up. Misplaced Pages's guidelines on Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources isn't the problem so much as their guidelines on the Misplaced Pages:Image use policy and Deletion Policy are. By the rules listed in those guidelines, if the OO logo is uploaded, it can later be deleted by a Misplaced Pages moderator for having a source, albeit a non-public-domain-traceable one, but not having licensing information to match. Therefore, right now, we have two options. Upload the picture now (and watch it got possibly deleted by a Wiki moderator later on, at least until Disney starts including the logos in physical releases available to the common public, at which point the Image Use Policy will allow it in full), or just wait to upload it. Ryulong seems to be doing the second to prevent the first from happening. But everyone that reads this should probably put in a vote or something to decide whether they want to upload it now (and risk it getting removed) or wait. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrowned (talk • contribs)

We wait. As much as I'd like to have it put up (since it is an awesome logo), we wait until we have official verification from Disney and/or Bandai. It will just make things a whole lot simpler. - DrachenFyre > YOU! 12:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the logo is cool looking, and the above reasons are why any new episode titles released by Burgundy Ranger cannot be used in the PRMF article (they are in the text, but not seen as I have used the <!-- --> tags around the information). Ryūlóng 20:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Define "verification from Bandai" JPG-GR 02:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)