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Talk:Tor (disambiguation). Please see Talk:Tor#Requested_move_10_December_2015 In ictu oculi (talk) 20:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Move logs

Thanks for finding the move from Tor to Tor (rock formation). Could you help me find out why I couldn't see it in the page's move log? I clicked on "View logs for this page" from the page history and I see "No matching items in log" for both "All public logs" and "Move log" . Is it possible to find when the article was moved from the move log page?--Wikimedes (talk) 20:47, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Because you were looking for the wrong thing.
-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:06, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
That would do it. Thanks again. (I incorrectly thought that "target" meant the destination of the move.)--Wikimedes (talk) 08:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


Islam Talk Page

Sorry to bother, I think the Islam article has a lot of poor editing put in by anyone with an axe to grind and needs a lot of cleaning up. I am trying to do that but am in a little trouble by editors who get scared by the red negative sign of the history page showing net negative reduction in the article and so restore to previous versions. If you do not mind, could we get your input on the talk page since you seem to be involved with the article before? Sodicadl (talk) 18:06, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

I have had a look at this, and responded on the talk page. YOu need to explain very carefully the deletions you propose. It would also be helpful if you explained the various moves of paragraphs/sections, and the retitling of a section. I suggest that all further discussion is on the article talk page.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:38, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Dnepropetrovsk revert

What is your problem??? What is Svoboda has anything to do with this? We ARE writing in Engish Misplaced Pages, NOT in Svoboda publication. There is convention which I mentioned for my revert and it have nothing to do with Svoboda publications. Why do not you familiarize yourself with it. We can talk about, instead of calling each other names. Would not it more constructive way to deal with it? Misplaced Pages is not your personal webpage either to lay claim on it. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Your interpretation of the Ukrainian naming guideline is false, User:Aleksandr Grigoryev. The guideline is for the article title and the text of the article, not the infobox, which is subject to long-standing Misplaced Pages consensus, and the first sentence. --Taivo (talk) 22:44, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
TaivoLinguist, first of all I was talking with Toddy1. Second of all, there was no need for insult accusing me in trolling for Svoboda. Third of all, in the article Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Ukrainian places) in the General guidelines paragraph it clearly states not to use transliterations derived from the Russian language. Now, how is that me trolling for Svoboda, I have no clue. I only want a civil explanation for Toddy1's actions and how we can find consensus. About infoboxes, articles on Ukrainian cities are the only article in Misplaced Pages that has sometimes up to four names in infoboxes. There are no articles for other cities in the world with so many names for city in a infobox. I was not able to find a single city in Misplaced Pages outside of Ukraine with that issue. The article Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Ukrainian places) does not really specify whether it excludes the naming convention for infoboxes. So, would it be difficult for you, Taivo, to provide me with the article on the "long-standing Misplaced Pages consensus"? Nonetheless, I still do not get why Toddy1 accuses me in trolling for Svoboda. It sounds like Toddy1 has some personal issues with that particular political party. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
TaivoLinguist, why do not you look at the article Moscow. Do you in the inforbox notice name Moskva?? You will not see it. It is normal article. I am being sarcastic, but it seems that all Ukrainian city articles simply must have names in foreign languages in infobox otherwise the article will look like Svoboda publication. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 01:35, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Read WP:OTHERSTUFF, User:Aleksandr Grigoryev. What happens at Moscow is utterly irrelevant since Russian is the only major language of that city. In Ukraine, there is a significant Russian-speaking population throughout the country and the Russian versions of the names of most of these cities are more commonly found in English language literature than the Ukrainian ones. While the naming conventions are clear for the text of the articles and for the titles of the articles, the infobox and the first sentence of these articles are there to help English readers to correctly identify these towns whether they are reading 21st century texts, which have a 50/50 chance of using the Ukrainian or Russian versions, or 20th century texts, which have a nearly 100% chance of using the Russian versions. We're here not to push Ukrainian nationalism, but to be helpful to English-speaking readers. Removing the Russian variants just because you hate Russians is not helpful and violates Misplaced Pages's purpose to be informative. After all, the only place where the variants are being used is in the infobox and the first sentence. --Taivo (talk) 04:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
This consensus on the use of Russian alternatives in the infoboxes dates back to about 2007 or 2008. At that time there were several edit wars going on at articles like Odessa and Rivne and Mykolaiv and Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk. The edit wars involved not just the name used throughout the text of the articles, but also the article names themselves. The consensus that developed over the span of several articles was that the articles, except for Kiev, Odessa, and Chernobyl should be at the Ukrainian name, but that the Russian variant should be in the infobox and the first sentence. That consensus has been very stable since then. The fundamental basis for the consensus was precisely what I stated in my preceding comment--English-speaking readers are more likely to encounter the Russian variants in their English-language reading than the Ukrainian ones. Therefore it's important that they are able to quickly and clearly see (via the infobox and the first sentence) that they have landed at the right place in Misplaced Pages even though the name of the article doesn't match the name they might have been searching for. I well remember in 2007 when I learned that I was going to be teaching English in Rivne for a year. I spent days on the internet and couldn't find anything about the place. Finally, a friend told me to search for "Rovno" instead of Rivne and there it was--everything I needed to know. We're here to help our readers, not hinder them for the sake of national pride. --Taivo (talk) 04:28, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
One final thought concerning the irrelevance of Moscow to this issue. A man was born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, he grew up in Czechoslovakia, he married in Hungary, he worked in the Soviet Union, he died in Ukraine, but he never left his village in Transcarpathia. This is not the history of Moscow. That's why using both Russian names and Ukrainian names is important (and in the west, in some cases, the Polish names). It's because these cities changed hands often during the 20th century. Before 1940, one only found Równe; from 1940 to 2000, one only found Rovno; after 2000 one finds both Rivne and Rovno. That's a problem that most cities don't have. --Taivo (talk) 04:42, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
And remember, WP:P-NUK specifically states that it is neither a policy nor a guideline. It is informational only. It carries no actual force. --Taivo (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Nobody calls Moscow "Moskva" in English.
Dnepropetrovsk, Rovno, and Cherkassy are all normal English-language spellings of their respective city names. Ukrainian nationalist extremists insist that English-language spellings should be deleted and replaced by spellings that are transliterations from the Ukrainian-language. Both normal English-language spellings should be used in the infobox.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:30, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
TaivoLinguist, why do you think I hate Russians???? How did you get to that conclusion?? I speak Russian even with my Ukrainian friends? My dad is native Russian and always spoke Russian even with mom who speaks Ukrainian. I am Russophone Ukrainian. Can't you tell by my last name that I have Russian roots? I am third generations of Russians in Ukraine. How can I hate Russians? Toddy1, your claim that Ukrainian nationalist extremists insist on something is false. Just because Ukrainian person insist on something it does not make him or her nationalist extremist. You are being groundlessly hysterical. Let's change all names for Ukrainian cities to Russian than. Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk, Chernovtsy and so on.... Is that what you want? What are you trying to say, Toddy1? Taivo, could you please not throw Misplaced Pages policies at people without explaining reason for it such as otherstuff? I presented example with Moscow as an example. I do apologize if that came out anything else than that. Why don't you pick any cities on Misplaced Pages and let's review that article together including infobox. Taivo, in any article on whatever city in the infobox you will find English name for the city and the native name of the city (not transliterated). When you open any article about Ukrainian city, you will find beside English name all kinds of names. Russian city of Belgorod was part of Ukraine at one time, but you wont find its Ukrainian name variation for it. Polish city of Przemysl was part of Ukraine as well, there is no Ukrainian name variation either. There is no Ukrainian variations for such cities like Brest, Taganrog, Mozyr, while all of them were at some point part of Ukraine. Taivo, your example with Rovno is not very convincing. City of Beijing in English even today is known as Peking and it was also known as such until recently. City of Kolkata also was known as Calcutta. The article does contain the information and the name is included in the infobox, but as an alternative name that does not appear on the infobox map. The same goes for Mumbai. Taivo, your claim that Rovno carried its name until 2000 is wrong, the Ukrainian parliament officially adopted the name of Rivne in 1991 when the Soviet Union still existed. I have relatives who live today there since 1960 and they never called their city as Rovno, but rather Rivne and not because they are Ukrainian nationalist extremist as some say, or they hate Russians. Until 2004 there was very little information about Ukraine no matter if you would write the name of its cities in Ukrainian, or Russian, or Polish. We need to find that consensus about cities names and add it to the naming convention to prevent such disagreements surfacing again. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 07:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Your histrionics notwithstanding, there is a long-standing consensus concerning Ukrainian city names that we have carefully explained to you. If you want to change the consensus in other countries, go ahead. But we are only talking about the consensus that has been stable for 7-8 years concerning Ukrainian cities. 1) The title of the article is the English form of the Ukrainian name except for Kiev, Odessa, and Chernobyl. 2) The infobox and the first sentence includes the English form of the Russian name for most cities in eastern and central Ukraine and some well-known cities in western Ukraine. 3) The Polish names are included for some well-known cities in western Ukraine. 4) Everywhere else, the English form of the Ukrainian name is used (except for Kiev, Odessa, and Chernobyl). You need to read WP:OTHERSTUFF. Basically it states that just because you can find an example of X somewhere else in Misplaced Pages, that does not override consensus. There is a long-standing consensus concerning these names. And you are rather wrong about the use of "Rovno" versus "Rivne" in English language materials in the early 2000s. I know very well because I was tracking it before I moved there in 2007 and have continued to track it. You are right that the city has always been called "Rivne" in the Ukrainian language and "Rovno" in the Russian language. But this is the English Misplaced Pages and what is important here, and what I continue to emphasize to you, is the name that occurs in English. English language materials used "Rowne" while it was under Polish control, English language materials used "Rovno" until the early 2000s, and now they tend to use "Rivne" although in histories of WWII it is still referred to as "Rovno" (and occasionally "Rowne"). That's our point here. It is about making the English Misplaced Pages easy to use for English speakers. --Taivo (talk) 07:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it might be good to write down this consensus somewhere in a concise way. I currently edit a lot of articles on Ukrainian localities mainly adding the population info, and I see that there are POV pushers from both sides (I certainly do not mean Aleksandr Grigoryev, who is a good-faith user) who add info which should not be there are remove info which should be there. Usually a revert with a comment is enough, but sometimes they persist, and for this case there should be a page. I think RGloucester started such a page about a year ago, but it was no concise enough, and if I remember correctly was rejected by the community.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:09, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you. It is kind of you to think of me.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:42, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Hope I'm clearer now

Hi. I've tried to improve my edits as you requested. Have a good 2016 :) Spiritofstgeorge (talk) 13:18, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Spasibo. But the dates of articles are a lot more important than the date you accessed them. But since you took the first step, I completed that bit.-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:15, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

New round

https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/31.154.167.98 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Неполканов (talkcontribs) 22:56, 7 January 2016‎

He has multiply anonimious clones vandalizing the Karait page . Need admin help. Неполканов (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

You need to make a new WP:SPI report on this sock of Kaz. Why have you not done this?-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
There are going to be problems demonstrating that it is Kaz. This is using a Tel Aviv IP address.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:29, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your effort to solve the problem. Some IMHOs to explain the things :
1) On his personal page he clams to have Israeli citizense.
2) In his "Karaim Insitute" site he onse called himself Yosef (as new Institute Director ). He changed this page significantly after my references to it last year removing the name of the director(now this name is changed to "_") . So we have Yusef Hubert Won Staufer(In Hebrew the same letter used for o v and w) Неполканов (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Reverts

I think we need to discuss your "across the board" and unilateral reverts of some of my recent edits. Please bring your issues to Talk:Karait#Disruptive_edits. And what is all this about being a sock of Kaz? Thank you. YuHuw (talk) 06:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016

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Your recent editing history at Karait shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. You have declined comment on your actions. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.--YuHuw (talk) 11:22, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

The user who placed this notice is a sockpuppet of User:Kaz-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:48, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I assure you I am not a sockpuppet of User:Kaz but if you do not accept that then I am willing to do whatever it takes to prove that to the Wikimedia Foundatoin if necessary. You have intimidated me so much by your recent accusations and blanket reverts of my recent edits that I am currently afraid to touch any new subjects until you and I can enter into a discussion. If you can put down your weapons for a moment can we start talking please? I can see from your edit history you have made a lot of good contributions to Misplaced Pages especially on topics related to current affairs in Ukraine. Perhaps you are concerned that my edits are related in some way to the Russian annexation of Crimea? YuHuw (talk) 12:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
lol. You are on holiday in Israel, so I assume that a check-user will show that the account is using a different IP than the ones you used when you were editing in Cardiff.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:19, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
No, I am an Israeli. I am willing to produce my ID card to the Wikimedia Foundation Offices if necessary. YuHuw (talk) 12:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)