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Scope of CIA-OIG report

There is a lot that can be said about the scope of the CIAO-OIG report, but most of it is in the report and does not need to be added into the article. I think that scope in the sense of what the OIG looked for should be in the article. It seems unnecessary to add a description of what was removed in order to declassify the report. Interested readers can look at the link. Please try to avoid adding information that is already in the article. Rgr09 (talk) 06:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

More on suicide

How to describe Webb's suicide is the most common source of changes to the article, almost all of them attempting to impose editors' belief that Webb did not commit suicide by removing the word suicide or putting it in scare quotes. Without any discussion on the talk page or sources in the article, this type of NPOV editing should just be reverted. Rgr09 (talk) 03:50, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the case of Gary Webb could just as easily be described as "Cause and Effect" as it could be described as "Flawless CIA Technique." We will probably never know what really happened, but it's difficult to believe that his death was suicide, to me. Certainly, a life that seemed to spiral downward after he implicated the CIA, ending in suicide, just seems a little bit too convenient. On the other hand, surely the CIA would have made every effort to make the death look like a suicide... so why the double-tap? That would certainly lead to questions as to the nature of the death. Perhaps a Third Party with ulterior motives? This is one of the most perplexing issues that I have ever seen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.15.154.136 (talk) 06:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

We do know what "really happened". Webb's actions prior to his death indicate that he was suicidal. His first shot was non-fatal; the second nicked an artery. Multiple gunshot suicide is already linked in the article. - Location (talk) 16:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Justice, CIA, House reports

The results of the Justice, CIA, and House Intelligence Committee reports are an integral part of this article. The reports are not beyond criticism, but criticism should have a reliable source and should be presented NPOV. If there is a problem with the current presentation, feel free to change; having spent some time on this part of the article I would appreciate a note on the talk page explaining the problems you saw, but that's optional of course. On the other hand, to simply delete the conclusions of the report that you find inconvenient, without any note or discussion, is not acceptable editing practice. Rgr09 (talk) 04:00, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Does that mean we should have just as many Russian intelligence sources on Boris Nemtsov? Should we just regard allegations of his death being perpetrated by Russia as nothing more than conspiracy theories? Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Given that Webb leveled allegations against the CIA, the government response to those allegations is certainly appropriate and is likely covered in secondary sources anyway. Regardless, mainstream non-governmental sources, including Webb's own paper, also reported that Webb's allegations were lacking credibility. What is applicable to another article should certainly be raised on that article's talk page. - Location (talk) 21:43, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the point of the comment. It seems to be an objection to the article's description of the report by the CIA's Office of the Inspector General. The commenter compares this to giving space in the article on Boris Nemtsov to "Russian intelligence sources", and feels this is not appropriate. If that really is the point, I'll respond, since I put in the section on the CIA-OIG report.

IF the FSB had a statuorily independent Inspector General, and IF this hypothetical IG had power to compel the testimony of FSB officers under oath and under polygraph, and IF the hypothetical IG used his hypothetical powers to conduct an 18 month investigation which produced a 400+ page report on the assassination of Nemtsov, and IF this hypothetical report were made public in any form, non-redacted or redacted, and IF the hypothetical IG testified on the hypothetical report before a hypothetical Committee on Intelligence in the Russian Duma which had the hypothetical power to sentence him to prison if he committed perjury, then I would strongly favor a detailed description of the report and all the attendant circumstances in the Misplaced Pages article on Nemtsov, in a manner consistent with the description of the CIA-OIG report given in this article.

Unfortunately, there is no Committee, no IG, no report, and no powers to do these things in Russia, hence no opportunity to write about them in Misplaced Pages. Rgr09 (talk) 10:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Suicide

Everyone knows he was killed by the CIA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:540:C000:7B59:25E8:63CA:E31D:E195 (talk) 11:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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