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Disvusion

Another stupid article. These words are completely wrong. And the source is a non-objecttive site. alparsan Türkes said thousand of time Turks and Kurds are brothers and sisters. Ruzgar 23:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thare are better ways to improve articles than deleting what you think is stupid. --Moby 11:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

"I want to kill Turks" These words belong to leader of Human Rights group in Turkey. Subjektiv claims by Human Rights organization cannot be published here. Ruzgar 11:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Please cite the quote. Your statement that Human Rights Organisations' words cannot be used here is incorrect. Enjoy your upcoming 3RR block. --Moby 11:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Incivility is not welcome do not taunt people. Incivility can be a blockable offense, people have been blocked indefinately for that in extreme cases. --Cat out 22:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, funny seeing you here... "Disvusion" ??? --Moby 10:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I want to know who is the "Human rights Experts in Turkey". You just write here unproved, lie theories. Ruzgar 11:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I did not write any of this article, but I'll be sure to read and watch it now. --Moby 11:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


And i want to inform you MHP supporters never burn a Kurdish(!) flag. Because there is no kurdish flag. There a lot of federation, con-federation flags. And MHP never recognize federation or con-federation(truely there is no federation or confederetaion in Turkey), burning a flag means recagnizing a country or a group. This claim is completely lie. And I think pkk terrorist write that here. If anyone prove that event, i will never write in Misplaced Pages. Ruzgar 02:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there is a Kurdish flag. I would encourage you to write for Misplaced Pages rather than delete that which you do not agree with. --Moby 08:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

This flag is the flag of Iraq Kurdistan. PKK has a lot of con-federation and federation flags but they usually dont use this flag. And I mentioned in above MHP supporters never burn a Kurdistan flag because they(Turkish goverment also) don't recognize any Kurdistan. Also they think origin of Kurds are Turks. This claim stay here for months and nobody could claim it. Then I remove it. Ruzgar 16:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:CITE

Human rights experts in Turkey make the organization responsible for more than 4,000 murders, primarily of Kurds, Turkish leftists, and progressive journalists and union leaders. One of their deadliest acts was the organisation of anti-Alevi pogrom in Kahramanmaraş in 1978 that left 111 people dead. Today, the Turkish army and special forces actively recruit MHP members to fight in special commando units in Turkey's war against PKK.

  • Firstly "murder" isnt exactly a neutral word.
  • Secondly what is the source of this information?
  • Thirdly does turkish army referance have any basis? If so how is it relevant to human rights? Americans hire iraqis to fight against Al-Quaida in Iraq, that is not mentioned in Republican Party
--Cat out 22:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I try to explain who these Human rights experts(!). They are protest Turkish army and police. They never protest Pkk and his terrorist actions. Even they kill babies and rape womans.

In 2005 a terrorist enter Turkish goverment's building with bomb, Turkish Intelligent Service had already reported the turkish police about that event. Turkish police warn him hunderds of times to dont detonate the bomb. But he have tried to detonate bomb but he can't(because of nervous)then he started to escape. 2 minutes later he tried again but Turkish Special Forces shot down him with sniper shot. And Human Rights Organisation blame Turkish police and said that this is an attack to human rights.

For these reasons the founder of Human Right Organisitaion Adalet Ağaoğlu retired from leadership. And she says H.R.O is become a pkk supporter, terrorist organisation. The sentences here but i cant translate them because my english level is not good.

"Terör artıyor, terörle birlikte IHD’nin tutumu daha bir tartışılır hale geldi. Orada neler yaşandığını biliyorum. En temel hak olan insanın yaşama hakkını korumak amacıyla kurduğumuz bir dernek, öldürülen insanlara sahip çıkmıyor. O zaman kimin insan haklarını savunuyoruz sorusu geliyor akla. PKK terörü karşısında tavır almayan insan hakları derneği olur mu?"

Ruzgar 03:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Agreed with Cat out, that part needs a revision and a reference to Ruzgar Template:Tr icon. Adalet Ağaoğlu said something like "Terror is increasing, due to this increase attitude of HRO on terror became disputed. I knew what is going on there. This organisation which we, as founders, intended to protect the most basic human right, survival, do not pay any attention to people killed. The question, whose right are we trying to protect, comes to mind then. Can anybody define a HRO that keeps silent for the terrorist attacks of PKK?"Ugur Olgun 21:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Fascism

Regarding my last edit: mainstream call them fascist. this also list it as fascist: http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_fascist_movements_by_country_N-T so it's fascist as per Misplaced Pages standards. Towsonu2003 05:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed the claim for the party being fascist. No sources have been provided, and references to other wikipedia articles are not acceptable in accordance with wikipedia policies. Grandmaster 07:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Every Turk and every people in Turkey know that MHP is not fascist, and have never been. Only communists or anti-nationalists in Turkey claim such an assertion. The evaluation of 'ultra-nationalist' about MHP was edited as only 'nationalist' by me. Xianbataar (talk) 22:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

what the hell is you talking about. MHP is ultra Fascist.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.242.40.127 (talk) 11:06, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

MHP and Kurds

MHP see all people in Turkey as Turk. So, all Kurdish speaking people are Turk according to MHP. If they were not Turk, they would not like them as nationalists; but they see them as Turk. Though, this idea is not correct; this is the view of MHP. We cannot claim that MHP is anti-Kurdish because they think Kurdish people are Turkish people and they are Turkish nationalists.Burgaz 17:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I read this website http://www.kurtulus-online.com/www/kurtulus200004/261.html.This reference is totally wrong. They say that MHP is also anti-Circussian. (I can understand Anti-Kurdishism, but Anti-Circussianism is totally silly!)

"At içinden Çerkezi gitsin Kafkasına"

MHP supported Cahar Dudayev against Russia for example. Many MHP members are ethnicially Circussian. Please do not use incorrect sources. This sentence does not belong to MHP! (There are some similar claims by Nihal Atsız, but there are not such claims by Turkes, for sure!) Burgaz 17:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The thing is, "The threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is verifiability, not truth." Otherwise, it would be considered original research unless you cite sources to contradict the quote. Khoikhoi 03:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

"The following quote partly illustrates the ideology of the part" , the source does not say Türkeş says it. Misplaced Pages article, is different from the originial source, bacause source does not indicate who makes this speech, but Misplaced Pages article says Türkeş said it. (If I don't make an English mistake!) Quote by WHO? Burgaz 14:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Changed to the reference version. Burgaz 11:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

PKK KURDISH TERRORISTS killed many villagers in the eastern part of Turkey, but no comments by HRO till now! They are still killing and raping Turkish people. THESE TERRORISTS killed 35 villagers in BASBAGLAR KOYU, unfortunately HRO kept silent! PKK have been using European and American guns, grenades and ammunition for years. They also killed and raped many Kurds slandering Turkish Army. Despite Kurds and Laz people are tribes in Turkey, they have been being provoked to revolt against Turkish Government for years. HRO frankly supports PKK in Turkey. PKK claims that MHP is a racist party, it is a big lie! MHP heartily believes in Koran, Holy Book, and Koran certainly forbids to be a racist. PKK never likes MHP, because MHP is a very good friend for all Kurdish people. There have been many Kurds in MHP's administrative staff. We invite you to visit Turkey and stay for some time to find out the realities concerning such topics. Respectfully Yours, Oguzhan Bulut, bulutoguzhan@yahoo.com


Hmmm... The Turkish army has also been using European and American guns, grenades and ammunition for years!? And this is not an article about PKK, right? This is an article about a nationalist party which has been claimed for being a racist/facist party, for quit a long long time. If we look at the period between 1976-1980 it is obvious that MHP has some clear "original" facistic characteristics. Or just click into the youth organization "Ulku Ocaklari", there you can find a document for an honest oath on guns, pure-blood, Koran etc, pretty fucked-up. I think you need stronger statements than "MHP heartly believes in Koran and Koran certainly forbids to be a racist" to convince other people. Give us a break will ya. We are on Misplaced Pages!

PLEASE STOP! Will you please stop this "we love Kurds" thing. MHP has a good relation with Kurds, but with assimilated kurds who are willing to say 'Happy is the one who says, "I'm a Turk"'.(Yes, these words are all around Turkey from primary school and upto...) And let me give an example from Mersin where MHP folks had an demonstration lately. "Mersin will remain Turkish, Mersin will be grave for kurds". Around 2000 young people from MHP's youth organization marshed through the city with racistic slogans and their well known finger signs. Again, for not long time ago, young guys tightly connected to MHP's yout organization, "Ulku Ocaklari", slaughtered 3 christian missionaries in Malatya. So please stop this, "we are not facists/racists, we love kurds" bullshit, willya! I can give tons of "documented" examples, enough to stress our dear Wiki's database. My younger brother was once brought down with knifes by idealistic MHP folks just because he was a left-wing guy at the university. Aaa, they also broke my expensive Martin acoustic-guitar which my brother was carrying at the incident. Please please please, stop this peace&love thing, we know you all.


MHP is not an anti-kurd party. He is the links of popular newspapers, magazines, web sites in Turkey which shows the Kurdish MHP supporters (bozkürtler).


Ruzgar 22:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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POV

The formulation "Although the MHP has been labelled as an extremist nationalistic party by left-wing and Kurdish separatist groups", putting all critics of the MHP in the left-wing or separatist camp, reflects a particular point of view. It is not just by left-wing or separatist groups that the MHP is considered ultra-nationalist – unless one considers the Christian Science Monitor left-wing. The word "Although" further expresses specifically the POV that these critics are wrong. The Grey Wolves, the youth organization of the MHP, has a history of violence against left-wing groups and minorities trying to assert their rights. Denying ethnic groups (such as Kurds) the right to use their own language, and branding such demands as separatist and a threat to the unitary state and Turkish identity, are not so innocent as presented.  --Lambiam 20:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


Branding the party, using single or multiple sources, violated WP:NPOV and WP:WEASEL. Please, stick to the neutral point of view. Atabəy (talk) 23:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Is this correct?

  • The Nationalist Movement Party is a far-right, rightist political party in Turkey.

Is the word rightist necessary, since it is preceded by the word far-right? Would not far-right give a clear enough explanation? I just thought it sounded rather odd. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

nationalist action?

nope this is completely "movement" cause it is the party of "nationalist movement" like "anarchist movement" "socialist movement" etc. hareket can be translated to action but it was not exact translation Girayhan (talk) 19:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Slogan

Ses ver Türkiye (Respond, Turkey!) is not the main slogan or motto of this party. That is just one of many slogans used in only one election campaign. I think it must be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inspectortr (talk • contribs) 22:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Religion?

I removed it. There's nothing as reference, So it is misleading information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.67.180.24 (talk) 17:28, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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