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Hi Talha Zubair, I find that you have been doing well, creating well-sourced content on difficult topics. Here are some suggestions that might improve things for you:

Your edits are generally huge and span multiple sections. You probably edit them offline and upload the edits. I do the same too. However, it is important to keep each edit to a manageable size and keep it focused on a single issue or topic. That way, if the other editors disagree with an edit, there is an easy way to discuss it.
I think you need to engage with talk page discussions more. Whenever an edit is reverted, WP:BRD recommends that you open a talk page discussion and address the objections mentioned in the revert. Engaging on talk pages will you get out of the tendency to edit-war, which is considered a really bad practice by Wikipedians. Talk page discussion will also allow other editors to join in, which will help.

Please keep up the good work! Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 10:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Partition of India

Hello Mr. Butt, I notice that you have been adding a lot of text to the Partition of India article. I haven't yet looked into your edits in detail. However, I need to point out a couple of issues:

You should never copy whole sentences from the sources. See WP:COPYVIO. You need to summarise the content in your own words. If we find COPYVIO text in your edits, we will revert them wholesale. You cannot depend on other editors to separate the good from the bad.
You need to appropriate encyclopaedic style in writing your content. See for example WP:WORDS. This problem can be corrected later by some copy-editor if you are unable to do it yourself. However, you should keep the COPYVIO issue in mind. It is extremely important. - Kautilya3 (talk) 09:53, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: His contribution to that article need to be assessed. Some of contribution is good but there is some POV pushing in between. Moreover, this is brand new account who can fix references of books properly since his first edit. Seems experienced enough. --Human3015 08:45, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016

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February 2016

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I do not think it is an edit war at all. A lot of the information is extremely one sided. Either it needs to be reformed or a complete separate section will need to be added to explain the other viewpoint. Thank you.

@Volunteer Marek

The information I added was correctly sourced. Some parts of the previous revisions are completely unsourced. However it seems like you may have vested interests in presenting a one-sided perspective of the conflict with no consideration at all for the viewpoints and sources of the other side. In this case you are violating all of Misplaced Pages's neutrality policies.

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As an admin I notice you making large reverts at several articles, including Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. These articles are on my watch list due to past disputes, which were often intense. The pattern of your edits suggests you are engaged in disruption. Your talk page shows warnings about edit warring as long ago as January, and you've already been notified of WP:ARBIPA. Please be aware that the next time you make a revert on one of these disputed articles, without first getting consensus on the article talk page, I may block your account with no further discussion. If you find yourself in a disagreement, the steps of WP:Dispute resolution are open to you. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 03:46, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 13:32, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

March 2016

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@MBlaze Lightning

Just received your message so undone the edit.

But you are not even discussing on Talk page nor going through the sources.

@TalhaZubairButt: You need to gain consensus amongst editors, if there is a dispute and not blatantly undo the users who reverts you. You have already violated three-revert rule, so keep in mind, the next time you see yourself being reverted by other editors, discuss the issue at talk page and, not across multiple edit summaries. It's OK i have seen your message at talk page, i'll try replying to it in evening (as i have some urgent work to do), till then, do not make any Further changes/or revert. Thank You! MBlaze Lightning (talk) 10:12, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

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WP:WIKIHOUNDING

Hi, please familiarise yourself with WP:WIKIHOUNDING. I feel like you might have been a victim of wikihounding as I see a certain editor might have been following your edits. If that is the case, you might want to remedy this situation as I feel that nobody should be made to endure such behavior. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:10, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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Could you please explain in a summary how I should go through this process?TalhaZubairButt (talk) 01:28, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

March 2016

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Multiple barnstars for you

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You have earned them by your excellent work on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Pakistan articles, keep up the good work. Do not get deterred from doing the right thing, the right way! There are editors looking to block you from improving the encyclopedia, keep an eye out for them! Thanks! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:41, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown Thanks (bhai). I really appreciate it. I think you should also take a more proactive role yourself in making this encyclopaedia a neutral place of balanced information.TalhaZubairButt (talk) 08:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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Talk page etiquette

Hi Talha Zubair, Glad to see that you came back. I thought you might get disheartened after that massive revert.

Can you please follow the guidelines of talk pages as described at WP:TPHELP? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 22:50, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Also, please keep your posts short and to-the-point. When many issues need to be discussed, put them in bullet points or subsections. Multiple paragraphs in a single post are normally to be avoided. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 22:52, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't very clever to revert RegentsPark, who is a highly respected admin. Please remember that you are already under an ARBIPA sanction. The next sanction will be much more severe. You should engage on the talk page, as you are doing, but wait for consensus to develop. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:02, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

edit warring

Uhhh... aren't you under a 1RR restriction on anything related to India and Pakistan, which would include Bangladesh Liberation War article? Here's your chance to self revert.Volunteer Marek (talk) 23:17, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

@Volunteer Marek: I haven't reverted anything. I have only restored Bina D'Costa's work, Rudolf Russel's work, Anthony Mascarenhas quote has been provided and referenced to an academic journal and subsequent sourced info on Pakistan's Islamisation has been re-added. The rest of your revert is left as it is.

Also it is very telling that you chose this moment to cut out the information we had agreed upon earlier (the Bina D'Costa reference in the article's intro).TalhaZubairButt (talk) 23:28, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, and that's a revert. And you've done it several times. I think you've broken 3RR, nevermind 1RR. Like I said, you really should self-revert.Volunteer Marek (talk) 23:37, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

@Volunteer Marek: That is not a revert. That is a new edit. I have in my new edit re-added the info we had agreed upon earlier, readded Rudolf Russel's statistics and changed the reference from Sarmila Bose to Anthony Mascarenhas.

And you still have not explained why you cut out the info we had agreed upon previously (from Bna D'Costa). I will answer that for you. You are using this opportunity to censor sourced facts which are not of your liking.TalhaZubairButt (talk) 23:58, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. You're under 1RR and you reverted 3 times.Volunteer Marek (talk) 00:04, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@Volunteer Marek: In other words you admit to being an opportunist. Hence it doesn't matter to you that you are using this opportunity to cut out information we had agreed upon earlier (Bina D'Costa reference).

Secondly, what I have done is not classified as a revert. Its called a new edit.

Revert is when you restore previous version which I have not done. I have merely edited some of the info from the previous versions and re-added previously agreed upon information.

3rr

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April 2016

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 60 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

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I think you should also take a look into how Volunteer Marek is taking liberty of my blockage to cut out whole sourced sections of information (he has already cut out the 'Violence against Biharis' section from the 1971 Bangladesh Genocide page as well as the 'Violence against Bengali supporters of Pakistan' section even though the former section existed on the article even before my presence on Misplaced Pages). The reason being simply that he wants to censor sourced facts which are not of his liking. And my 60 hour ban is like a golden handshake for him. TalhaZubairButt (talk) 00:44, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, if you hadn't gotten yourself blocked, you could have done something about it. As for his "censoring sourced facts", I could consider that comment a personal attack. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
@TalhaZubairButt: Dude, it's just 60 hours, chill out and accept the block, refrain from personal attacks. You should have been careful, you were under 1RR and I did tell you that people are looking to get you blocked but it's still not a big deal, wait your block out and don't make any mistakes of doing IP edits or creating other user accounts. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 02:19, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown: Please do tell me, what is the difference between a revert and edit? Because I have made multiple edits on other (related) pages within 24 hours and they were not called reverts. And in this case, for which Volunteer Marek reported me, I did not revert, rather I made new edits which restored only some of the removed sourced information. And I am not making a personal attack, you should go and check out the conversation above. I also request you to leave a brief summary here on how to pursue the Wikihounding (is that what its called) process so that upon being unblocked I can go through the civilized procedure of dealing with wiki-hounding people.Thank you.TalhaZubairButt (talk) 04:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown I also have to confess I feel disappointed in you because of your thinking I would made IP edits or other accounts (subsequently telling me not to do so as if I need instruction in this manner). That indicates a lack of trust. I felt trusted but now feel disappointed. TalhaZubairButt (talk) 05:53, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Dude, you are just angry. Just chill it out. I know how you feel. Just to give you an idea, a revert means re-adding the same content so if you did that twice (like first using the undo button to undo your original edit and then re-added the 'same' content manually once it was removed by another user, you'll end up with 2 x reverts). I am not sure about your edits being referred by VM, if you can give me the diffs, I may explain it to you better. Thanks—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡ 10:36, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@TalhaZubairButt: That was a good faith brotherly advice. As I thought you being a relatively new user might make a mistake of doing either of those things and earn a longer block instead. Many new users do that when they get blocked and then they earn a longer block, he did that and look what happened to him, he got blocked indefinitely, also Drmies is an admin if he is telling you to refrain from attack and instead you continue to do so then it can earn you a longer block as well and I did not want Misplaced Pages to lose such a good editor like yourself. You already fell into a trap and I did not want that to happen again. Please see this about what I was talking about when I say people are looking to block you. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:59, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

"new edits which restored only some of the removed sourced information"...yeah, that's a revert. Drmies (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Indo-Pakistani War of 1947. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

@Kautilya3: We are currently discussing on Talk.TalhaZubairButt (talk) 13:08, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

1RR Vio.

You know, you have violated 1RR again (, ) How about a self-revert? MBlaze Lightning -talk! 10:06, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I shifted this to an relevant section, but you restored aka