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Define "China" in lead section

My rewritten text included the following sentence, which was removed by User:Beardfrun:

While China most typically refers to the People's Republic of China in contemporary usage, the name can also refer to Taiwan, Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau, or other areas in East Asia currently or historically considered Chinese.

Since that sentence was removed, there are no links to Taiwan, Hong Kong, or Macau on the page (nor to East Asia or Mainland China, but those are less central to the notion of "Chinese people"). Notwithstanding Beardfrun's edit summary, "Most of these are explained in the three sections below," there is no explanation of the somewhat controversial relationships among these places on the page. It's my personal opinion that nuanced explanations are not really necessary on this page, but there should be links to pages where the details are explained. Cnilep (talk) 00:01, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

It refers, doesn't it?

Recently User:Bhny edited the lead section with the somewhat elliptical edit summary "WP:REFERS". According to the essay "Writing better articles", leads should avoid the wording "Foo refers to..." in favor of "Foo is...". However, according to the same section of the same page, "Disambiguation pages mention the term, so in such cases it is correct to write "The term Great Schism refers to" etc.

This page is a WP:DABCONCEPT, which might be thought of as an article with disambiguation page-like function. One of the canonical examples of a broad concept article, Football, begins, "Football refers to a number of sports" etc. However, another canonical example, Particle begins, "In the physical sciences, a particle is a small localized object" etc.

So, is this page about the label Chinese people and the various things that refers to, or is it about the concept of Chinese people? Cnilep (talk) 04:07, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to dabconcept. I still think my edit was correct as the whole lead is just one sentence with one meaning. If there were a few distinct meanings, "refers to" would make sense, otherwise it is redundant. Most of the examples on dabconcept don't say "refers to". The lead to this article actually needs expanding and if this results in multiple meanings, "refers" might be appropriate. Bhny (talk) 15:48, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Qing Opening to the Ocean

Another editor added The Qing Opening to the Ocean: Chinese Maritime Policies, 1684–1757 to the References section. Since it was not cited as a reference for material in the article, I moved it to Further reading.

I'm not sure whether the book is relevant to the topic of Chinese people. I've not read the book, but a review in the International Journal of Maritime History calls it a useful history of "the Chinese state's attitudes toward maritime trade in the seventeenth and eighteenth century". This does not sound specifically relevant the topic of Chinese people. Cnilep (talk) 03:53, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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"Greater China" again

I undid these edits "per cited source". Whether to refer to "China", "Greater China", or a specific set of nation-states has been a point of contention on this page, as is common in articles touching on history and politics. In the past another editor placed a "citation needed" tag on the claim that Chinese people refers to Greater China. Harry Harding's article, "The concept of 'greater China'", specifically addresses that claim. Harding suggests that the term Greater China emerged in the 1980s, primarily to refer to "rapidly increasing interaction among Chinese societies around the world". He notes that the reference of the term varies, with some people using it to refer to "commercial ties among ethnic Chinese", others to "overseas Chinese", and still others to a set of places: Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan, and China, sometimes also including Singapore.

The definition of Chinese people might be said to encompass people from "any regions or countries historically associated with 'China'", but the currently cited source makes no such claim. Cnilep (talk) 05:15, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

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