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Archive 1 - discussions prior to death confirmation Archive 2

Second or third known stingray attack in Australia?

BBC says second. The Age, citing a stingray expert, says third. This one mentions an earlier attack than the one in/near Melbourne, but does not say if it's in Australia. — LazyEditor (talk) 10:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

News reports tonight said only 17 known in the world and 2 in Australia. However they were ambiguous if it was 2 including Steve's or 2 before his.

The disctinction to be made here is fatal attack. In all likelihood there are far more non-fatal stingray attacks than fatal ones. There may be some confusion over the numbers because of this. Professor Ninja 14:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

An expert interviewd on ABC (Channel 2) during the late news explained that he could find around 30 known stingray deaths in the world to date. Trust the best source, I'd suggest US media know little facts concerning this. Nick carson 14:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Some news reports are saying there is only one other?Cvene64 15:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The Daily Telegraph reports that there have been three previous stingray attack fatalities in Australia (making this the fourth), and actually enumerates them (1945, 1969, 1990). I think this source should trump the others because it provides detail. Djcastel 16:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Tributes

This talk page isn't the place to leave tributes and other such what. If you are looking for that, see here:ABC tribute page to Steve Irwin.--Hamedog_Talk| 13:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I've read Help:Talk page and I see nothing that says talk pages must not contain tributes. --Tim1988 13:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Did you stop at "inevitably"? "Inevitably, there will arise situations in which collaborators on an article can benefit mutually from discussing the article' - thus we have talk pages, specifically for such discussion. Info for talk pages: There are two types of talk pages - the first one is standard talk pages which are used to discuss an article, while user talk pages are used to communicate with other users or leave them messages." — ceejayoz 13:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

See above in the {{talkheader}}. It says "This is the talk page for discussing changes to the Steve Irwin article". A tribute isn't a change to the article. -- Longhair 13:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I actually created a seperate tribute page, but that was deleted on the provisions that wikipedia does not host tributes. I actually used the same argument you have used. Any way, it clusters up the page.--Hamedog_Talk| 13:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You have to sign up to post on the ABC tribute page. Suggest using the easier option of the SMH's or The Australian's Rafy 13:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Weasel words in death section

There's a weasel word in the death section:

Some speculate...

I'm putting the weasel template until this can be fixed. --Jrothwell 15:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Uh, "the media speculated"? Maybe we should delete that sentence. dposse 15:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Bindi

"He had been filming a segment for his daughter Bindi's upcoming television series." His daughter is going to have her own television series? If so, we should have an article for her. -anon

that's too bad he can't finish it...I think it would be cool if she had her own show. --Mitternacht90 16:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

If the page is semi-protected...

Then why don't you guys get rid of the damned "I SAY YOU HE DEEADDDDDD" heading near the bottom of the article.

God, now I know why so many people hate Misplaced Pages.

68.53.121.170 15:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

We semi-protected the article to facilitate the removal of vandalism like that. If you refresh your page, you should find that that heading has gone. Before we semi-protected it, we were getting up to 7 or 8 edits to the article per minute, which made it extremely difficult to remove vandalism, because our edits conflicted with those who submitted their edits mere seconds before us. - Mark 16:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

semi protecting for so long is denying many people the opportunity to enhance the article. please unlock asap.

find space for this pic

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Spine2ks2.jpg

ouch!

Clearly distasteful for this page. We would not put an upclose photo of the gun that shot JFK on his page. Jasonid 16:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Archiving

Under normal circumatnces talk pages would not have discussions that are only an hour old archived. But under the current circumstances the volume of edits istarting to expand this page beyond a resaonable size. Most of the earlier discussions appear to be completed.

I intend archive the first 25 discussions except tributes(#15) and weasel words(#22) are there any objections. Remember if something significant gets archived it can be returned to this page. Gnangarra 16:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

also keep (#9)number of sting ray attacks Gnangarra

Should not be unprotected.

At least not today. As soon as this page is unprotected the vandals will start flowing in again faster than ever. Let's have some respect for this man and not let vandals ruin this entry. Jasonid 16:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree. How the hell can we do our jobs when those dumb vandals are messing it up? dposse 16:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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