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Powell and Plame

His possible role is summed up nicely in this MSNBC piece:

{...} on a long Bush trip to Africa, Fleischer and Bartlett prompted clusters of reporters to look into the bureaucratic origins of the Wilson trip. How did the spin doctors know to cast that lure? One possible explanation: some aides may have read the State Department intel memo, which Powell had brought with him aboard Air Force One.

Second Highest Ranking Non-Caucasian

Wasn't he the 2nd highest non-white in U.S. History - from everything from the Order of Precedence to the Line of Succession to actual power, the Sec. o. Ste. is techincally the 5th highest ranking member of the U.S. Gov - he/she has more power than any other cabinet member, but are still bellow the Pres. pro tempore, who is bellow House Speaker, who is below (in title not power) the V.P., who is below the presdident. Chief Justice is techinaclly between Speaker and pro tempore, but there have only been black associate justices. He shld have been the 2nd highest black in history at inaugaration time.

His ethnicity.

How can he be both African American and the son of West Indian immigrants? I think the article confuses this, in particular conflating race and ethnicity. You could say, "He was the first and so far only black American to serve on the Joint Chiefs of Staff." Or, "..non-white Amiercan?" (if that is true). Or, "American of West Indian ancestry..". I think this needs to be teased out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.90.252.27 (talk) 23:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Apparently he was born to Jamaican parents with African roots.TMCk (talk) 13:04, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

It appears that over the past several thousand years, most of his ancestors lived in sub-Saharan Africa while significant numbers of people lived on other continents. The fact that the last few generations lived in the West Indies does not change that. ~ MD Otley (talk) 00:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Every human has African roots. I guess every American then, is African American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.90.100.199 (talk) 16:59, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

If everyone has African roots, then that shared ancestry is not useful for labeling, and should be ignored when trying to make distinctions. ~ MD Otley (talk) 00:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

As far as I know, the West Indies are also part of the American Continent. By the way, almost all black people in the US have a Caribbean background in their ancestry, because almost all didn't come directly from Africa to the US. Almost all black family trees have some individuals, who lived at some point in history in Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, Cuba, Haiti, The Bahamas, etc. The question is just when, in the 20th century, in the 19th century, in the 18th century or even earlier. --El bes (talk) 21:41, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

A political general? Seems kind of weaselly

I believe this header should be changed ASAP. Afronig (talk) 20:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Please change "Most observers praised Powell's oratorical skills" to "American news outlets provided favorable coverage of Powell's address, praising his oratorical skills." Please add the following source: *Oddo, John. (2014) Intertextuality and the 24-Hour News Cycle: A Day in the Rhetorical Life of Colin Powell's U.N. Address. East Lansing, MI: Michigan State University Press.

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Please change "In a press statement on February 24, 2001, he had said that sanctions against Iraq had prevented the development of any weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein." to "In a press statement on February 24, 2001, he had said that sanctions against Iraq had prevented the development of any weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein. We now know this to be in error as the 2004 ISG report by Charles Duelfer documents how Saddam Hussein corrupted the sanctions and by 2001 they were having little or on effect on Iraq as shown in the Key Findings section on Regiem Stratigic Intent."

128.237.194.13 (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} 14:46, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

References

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap1.html

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Please change "A 2004 report by the Iraq Survey Group concluded that the evidence that Powell offered to support the allegation that the Iraqi government possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) was inaccurate." to "A 2004 report by the Iraq Survey Group concluded that Saddam Hussien was simpley biding his time until the sanctions were lifted so he could restart his Chemical, Biological and Nuclear weapons programs."

128.237.194.13 (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} 14:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

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Please change "Powell's chief role was to garner international support for a multi-national coalition to mount the invasion." to "Powell's chief role was to garner international support for a multi-national coalition to mount the invasion, to match to bipartisan support for the invasion by the U.S. Congress"

128.237.194.13 (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — LeoFrank 06:43, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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'first and only' African American to serve on the joint chiefs of staff in lead

Lead says: "He was the first, and so far the only, African American to serve on the Joint Chiefs of Staff," however, Russell C. Davis was the Chief of the National Guard Bureau which is a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff between 1998 and 2002. Better way to put this?― Padenton|✉ 07:31, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

No, the article is correct. The CNGB didn't join the JCS until the end of 2011. ~ MD Otley (talk) 18:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Political general

According to Norman Schwarzkopf, Max Thurman, Army Vice Chief of Staff and Commander in Chief of Southern Command, also never commanded division was a 4 star general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.218.9.1 (talk) 18:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Trump/ Hilary

I understand we're in the political silly-season and the partisans are out trying to use this article to attack candidates. This is not wise per WP:UNDUE and probably violates WP:NPOV. I'd challenge the hack editors who added that material (@Hidden Tempo and Theatrical harmony:) to create a couple consensus sentences rather than edit war, as you'll likely do. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:43, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't my intention to edit in a partisan way. I added the material last night, upon the revelation of Powell's emails where his statements about Donald Trump were widely publicized. I will go back and provide a more nonpartisan edit. I apologize, (@Hidden Tempo and Chris troutman:). (talk) 11:50, 14 September 2016 (CST)

No need to apologize (@Chris troutman and Theatrical harmony:). There are many liberal activist users who will try to revise history and delete anything that doesn't reflect their worldview. Unfortunately, WP:NPOV doesn't allow for this, and we must always be sure to accurately reflect the influence of a politician (Powell, in this case) on politics. As his influence on the 2008 and 2012 elections is documented on this page, so should his 2016 trashing of both candidates. The section describing his e-mail revelations is here to stay, regardless of what DNC operatives scattered about on Misplaced Pages want.

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