Talk:2000 United States Senate election in New York

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This is just a straight copy of one section of the Hillary Rodham Clinton article. As such, it's totally Clinton-centric. To be a good article about the election, it needs to cover Guiliani and Lazio much more. It also needs to give a much better vote breakdown, describe the debates, cover third-party candidates, and so forth. Look at some of the other state election articles for guidance. Wasted Time R 04:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I've begun remedying these faults. Wasted Time R 12:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update

I worked on the article periodically, finally "finishing" it in December 2007. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

GA hold

This article is very close to GA status. Where it says citation needed, there needs to be a citation. The next paragraph after needs a citation too. After that, I will approve the article.User:calbear22 (talk) 00:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your time on this. The required citations have been added, with adjustments made in some cases to the text involved. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

GA approval and review

1. Prose- check.

2. Verifiable- check. Sourcing is excellent.

3. Coverage- check. Coverage is comprehensive. Excellent.

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5. Stable- check. Little vandalism and no edit wars.

6. Images- check. The first image is under discussion and a section or two might be improved by images, but images in the article are excellent. Thanks.User:calbear22 (talk) 08:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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Giuliani's "unsubstantiated" attacks on Hillary's health

I take exception with this sentence: "His actions on behalf of Trump included not only fiery attacks on Clinton's record as Secretary of State but also the promotion of unsubstantiated claims that she was experiencing significant problems with her health."

1) Both sources are from left-wing news outlets (Washington Post and NBC News), posing WP:POV problems.
2) Both sources are dated in August 2016, before the ubiquitous video was released of Hillary wobbling and being held up by aides, then collapsing to her knees as she was being assisted into her transportation van. The fact that she originally claimed her coughing fits were due to "Trump allergies," then "overheating," and finally "pneumonia," fueled ongoing rumors of Hillary's ailing health.
3) The above, combined with the fact that there are numerous instances of Hillary being helped up stairs by aides, as well as holding onto her aides as she spoke at her rallies, requires an update to this sentence with new phrasing and additional sources. Hidden Tempo (talk) 03:41, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

If you're gonna start off by arguing that WaPo and NBC News are "left-wing news outlets", we're not gonna get anywhere. WP:RSN is over that way --> Volunteer Marek (talk) 22:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF are over yonder ---> Back to the point, as of right now, @Volunteer Marek's edit is contested and he/she is encouraged to use this article's talk page in order to gain consensus for this version. Violations of current version: WP:DUE, WP:POV, WP:10YT. Hidden Tempo (talk) 23:15, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Here is the original version.

Here is your controversial change, which involves adding the tag

Here is my edit.

Here is you completely changing the text, removing the source that is in there and substituting in another source.

Here is me challenging your version.

If you want to argue, in all seriousness, that WaPo or NBC news are not reliable sources, please go to WP:RSN.

There's no incivility in my comment, and you've used up your allotment of good faith long ago by your use of various talk pages to soapbox about your own political views. Also, please actually read WP:AGF. These parts:

"exhortations to "Assume Good Faith" can themselves reflect negative assumptions about others."

"This guideline does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of obvious evidence to the contrary"

Volunteer Marek (talk) 23:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

"evidence to the contrary" Evidence for YOU. To all others, my edits are considered to be in good faith. Your history in edit warring makes this sentence much more applicable to your edits. Regardless of your repulsive attack that my edit was due to my "dislike" of the content, the main reason for updating the source is because the previous source was outdated. The NBC article was written in August, before probably the most significant health event of Hillary during the campaign: her collapse outside of the 9/11 memorial which she originally blamed on overheating, and then on pneumonia. In the interest of compromise, I used WaPo as the updated source. Hidden Tempo (talk) 23:15, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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