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Proposed deletion of Card Pack 1: Secrets and Sabotage

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Card Pack 1: Secrets and Sabotage, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process because of the following concern:

Violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE as being a listing of not otherwise notable merchandise related to The 39 Clues series.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. -- Goodraise (talk) 03:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Card Pack 1: Secrets and Sabotage

I have nominated Card Pack 1: Secrets and Sabotage, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Card Pack 1: Secrets and Sabotage. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

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RfD nomination of A Missed Call

I have nominated A Missed Call (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MLauba (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

About your card article up for deletion...

It you want to preserve the information, you can go to www.wikia.com and ask for your own wiki, dedicated to the game series. There are no rules on what you can have there, so upload all the information you want, and have fun with it. Its hard having your first article deleted. It wasn't harming anyone, there is no shortage of server space, and its something some people would find interesting and useful. No one who didn't like that sort of thing, would be likely to ever read it. But, there are rules to follow these days. Make sure to click "edit page" and copy everything there someplace you can get to it later on, before the page is deleted. That'll make it easier for you to later on to put it elsewhere. Dream Focus 18:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Your rollback request

Hello Ag97, I have granted your account rollback in accordance with your request. Please remember that rollback is for reverting vandalism/spam, and that misuse of the tool, either by revert-warring with other users, or simply reverting edits you disagree with, can lead to it being removed. For practice, you may wish to see Misplaced Pages:New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 00:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

My 'Mistaken' Deletion

I'm sorry. I was editing at that time using my notepad on my laptop. I copied it from there and replaced it there. Meanwhile, I also put up the 2nd set of cards at the article. Should the cards be on a different article? (just asking). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertdaniel222 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

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Your edits at Dalton McGuinty

Hi Ag97. Please be aware of our policy regarding the biographies of living persons. Thanks, Paul Erik 23:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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October 2016

Please carefully read this information:

The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.

- MrX 16:00, 20 October 2016 (UTC)Template:Z33 - MrX 16:00, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

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Notice of existence of discretionary sanctions for content related to living persons

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The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.

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Fringe topics and content touching on living persons

Please review Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons, Misplaced Pages:Fringe theories, and Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view. Where content in the encyclopedia negatively touches upon a living person (e.g., accuses the of misconduct), and where the range of reliable sources describe the claim as disproven or baseless, it must be described as such in the text. See in particular WP:EVALFRINGE, WP:BLPCRIME, WP:BLPGOSSIP.

These recent edits of yours do not comply with these policies and guidelines:

• 10:21, December 2, 2016
• 18:31, December 1, 2016
• 18:28, December 1, 2016

You also should not describe straightforward news reporting that debunks fringe theories as "the opinion of the writer." Please see Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources: "'News reporting' from well-established news outlets is generally considered to be reliable for statements of fact." Neutrality 15:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

And this edit of yours - 10:40, December 2, 2016 presents the same problem. You are also incorrect that BLP does not apply to disambiguation pages; as the policy clearly states, BLP applies across Misplaced Pages.

Let me be perfectly and unequivocally clear. You have two simple choices. You can either stop edit-warring in violation of our fundamental policies and guidelines. Or you can continue this conduct, and I will pursue and very likely obtain Arbitration Enforcement remedies against you. The choice is yours, but I strongly recommend the former. Neutrality 15:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, but Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view supersedes BLP. By using the word falsely, you are editorializing and directly violating WP:NPV. There have been legitimate concerns raised, including suspicious emails released by Wikileaks, and disturbing images posted by the restaurant's owners on Instagram. None of this has been disproven. You cited no sources to support your "falsely" claim, and the consensus on the talk page is that people agree that this word should be removed. It's sad to see that your are using your administrator rights to bully and threaten people who disagree with your personal opinion, while violating fundamental wikipedia policy on neutrality and ignoring talk page consensus. Ag97 (talk) 15:59, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

(1) No, BLP does not "supersede" NPOV; the two are both fundamental policies of equal significance; and they do not contradict each other.

(2) No, as the actual reliable sources indicate, any "suspicions" are the insane fever dreams of conspiracy-theorist kooks. The reliable sources clearly identify the conspiracy theory as a false, debunked smear spread by fake news websites.

(3) No, contrary to your claims, there is no consensus to ignore the reliable sources. The only support for describing these conspiracy theories as anything other than false comes from IP editors, other new or inexperience users who have made few or no edits, or POV pushers who wish to use Misplaced Pages as a platform for smears. And, in any case, even if a local consensus existed, it can at no point override BLP.

(4) I'm going to rigorously enforce the policies and guidelines, especially when they deal with harmful, fake nonsense as to living people. Neutrality 16:08, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Use of others' talk pages

Do not edit my user talk page to promote your fringe conspiracy theory. It violates BLP, it is nonsensical, and I am not obliged to countenance it in my userspace. Neutrality 16:38, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not even promoting the theory, I'm just saying that the article should be written in a neutral way! I have made a legitimate argument in favour of removing the word "falsely" that you obviously can't refute, so you keep deleting it instead. So since I won the argument, please stop edit warring with me. Either refute my argument or delete the word "falsely" from the article. If you fail to do so I will continue to edit the article, and I will report you for abusing your administrator privileges. Ag97 (talk) 16:43, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring. The thread is Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Ag97 reported by User:NorthBySouthBaranof (Result: ). Thank you. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 17:09, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

Kuru (talk) 17:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@Kuru: This block is unjustified. I have repeatedly made arguments defending my edits, and user Neutrality undid my edits without justification. I have attempted to negotiate with him, but he selectively deleted arguments that he was unable to refute rather than responding to them. See his talk page history, I made arguments in favour of my edits that he simply deleted. I simply believe that Misplaced Pages should be written from a neutral point of view. Neutrality started this edit war and refused to counter my valid arguments about neutrality. Now he unjustly got me blocked for standing up to his blatant attempts at abusing his administrator privileges by editorializing Misplaced Pages pages and blocking anyone who tries to stop him. Neutrality is the one who should be blocked, and his administrator privileges should be revoked. Ag97 (talk) 17:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't care about your content dispute; I care about your behavior. You are welcome to continue your discussion when your block expires, but continuing to revert the article to your preferred version before concluding the discussion and forming a consensus is not a good idea. I suspect that if you are unable to calm down, you will find yourself blocked again in short order. Kuru (talk) 17:32, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

How come Neutrality isn't also blocked? He participated in the edit warring just as much as me. How come his opinion is supposed to be more valid than mine? Ag97 (talk) 17:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

And how can I have a discussion when Neutrality simply deletes my arguments rather than responding to them? Ag97 (talk) 17:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

You need to take a step back and think about what you're doing here. Misplaced Pages has emplaced extremely strong policies regarding material about living people, particularly negative (defamatory) claims about living people. This is because we are not a rumor factory, we are not a free-speech haven, we are a project to collaboratively build an Internet encyclopedia based upon reliable sources. The fact here is that the "Pizzagate" claims are unanimously considered to be false by reliable sources, which have thoroughly debunked them, exposed them as being the evidence-free fabrication of conspiracy theorists, and without the slightest hint of truth. This is a fact. We will not permit the encyclopedia to be used to spread false, fabricated and defamatory lies about living people. The end. That you cannot understand that fact or that you have willfully blinded yourself to the truth of the matter is your problem, not ours. If you wish to continue editing the encyclopedia, you need to accept that when reliable sources such as The New York Times, the Washington Post, PolitiFact and other outlets say something, they are the sources we give credence to. That's what we do on Misplaced Pages. If you can't accept that, you need to find another project to edit. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 17:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

My argument is simply that the claims of both sides should be presented in a neutral manner. Take the article on 9/11 conspiracy theories for example. That is also a theory that was proven false by reliable sources and says false, defamatory things about living people, yet the article states the claims of supporters of the theory, and doesn't say the theory is false. Why the double standard? Ag97 (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

That's not the way it works. We do not give equal validity to unequal sources. On one side is The New York Times and other major media outlets with longstanding traditions of journalistic and investigatory credibility. On the other side is... anonymous Internet users on an anonymous Internet forum. We do not weight those equally.

If there are problems with the 9/11 conspiracy theories article, they should be addressed. Problems with one article do not excuse adding more problems in another article. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 17:45, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Notice of arbitration enforcement discussion

Please see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Ag97. Sagecandor (talk) 17:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Notification of AN/I Discussion

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Dane 21:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Accusations of bias at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_Seaman_(journalist) regarding reason for discussion. The thread is Accusations of bias at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_Seaman_(journalist). The discussion is about the topic Topic. Thank you.Slatersteven (talk) 21:21, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Trump difficulties

The Donald Trump article will be an extremely hard article to bring up to average Misplaced Pages standards, not to mention GA or FA. It will probably involve much fighting and many months. Either that or one group of people will wear out the other 2-3 groups. Compounding the problem is that Trump is very controversial. About 52% of people voting did not want him. Another 25% had negative feelings toward him even though they voted for him. That leaves maybe 20% that either support him a little or a lot, 80% don't like him or viciously hate him.

I feel it is beyond my expertise to fight a talk page battle so I will leave it to more experienced hands like you (or 3 others that I wrote to). Below is a link to my sandbox, which shows an edited version that does 3 things. 1. It fixes the jumping back and forth of related areas that are placed apart (there's quite a bit of that). 2. Trims down some trivia. 3. The lead represents a better summary and also is the permitted 4 paragraphs. I did not edit the political and campaign sections yet and don't intend to.

Here is the link. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Usernamen1/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=754347721

Consider commenting on the Donald Trump talk page about this sample revision. I do not plan on extensive discussion on the talk page and will leave it up to you. Let me know what you think.

Disclaimer: I am a foreigner and not a registered Republican or Democrat. Usernamen1 (talk) 05:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

@Usernamen1:

Thanks your post. Unfortunately, I am about to get banned from this website because I posted some opinions on a talk page that the Thought Police doesn't agree with, which led to me being viciously attacked by a large group of angry editors who have been pushing to get me banned. It seems that this website is controlled by anti-Trump administrators who block anyone who tries to fix biased articles. It's very clear pro-Trump editors aren't welcome here. But maybe it's a good thing. Trust in the mainstream media is now at an all time low after their biased media coverage, I suspect Misplaced Pages is heading towards a similar fate. Now that this website stopped being neutral, and has taken a distinctive anti-Trump editorializing slant, encouraged by certain administrators who block editors who try to stop this, I predict a significant drop both in donations and number of people who come to this site. If you want to continue fighting this, I wish you luck. But it seems to be a losing battle. Still, it's not a big deal. The mainstream media tried 100% to bring trump down, and they failed, and this website joining in isn't going to change that. In the long run, Misplaced Pages is going to bring more damage to itself. It's just becoming another liberal echo chamber, and the millions of people who are opposed to this will simply leave the website, taking their donations with them.Ag97 (talk) 14:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Politics

It's likely that you will be topic-banned from the area of US politics. Everyone completely understands that you sincerely believe you are right, and that Misplaced Pages is de facto subsumed into the conspiracy to suppress The Truth, and that's part of the problem in that it implicitly imputes motives, which is uncivil. Either way the problem is not that your views are at odds with the consensus of reliable sources (though that is undoubtedly the case), but that your style is excessively aggressive, and you are not listening to good faith attempts to help you not to be a WP:MASTODON. So, my recommendation to you is to walk away form the contended area and any residual interpersonal disputes that arise form it, find somewhere entirely peaceful, and do some Wikignoming. I'm sure you have hobbies you would like to write about, or an interest in your local area and its landmarks and natural environment? Guy (Help!) 12:43, 12 December 2016 (UTC)