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Mike V &c.

Sorry but I undid you closure. There have been many attempts to sweep this under the carpet, not saying that's your motivation, but it's clear that issues remain unresolved, mainly from my point of view the erroneous claims of IBAN infringements which are lodged in my sanctions. Mike V doing a runner should have no bearing whatsoever on this, we need to ensure someone in his position, i.e. with checkuser and oversight, is held to account, primarily WP:ADMINACCT but more than that since he has super-trusted tools. I would be asking WMF if he has made any CHU requests on me given his sudden interest in my editing patterns. It's a sad decline but it seems apparent from numerous notes from numerous other editors, not a surprise. Better to get this properly resolved now rather than wait for Mike V to return in a puff of smoke and continue in the same damaging way. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:27, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the subject of an AE thread gets to decide when it's over, but I'm certainly not going to wade any deeper into the mess you and Mike V created together here. I guess we'll see if your revert sticks or not, I'm certainly not going to argue further. In the meantime, perhaps keep your snide comments about others to the 45 pages they're already on, I don't really need them here too. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:22, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure, it sounds like you're too involved to participate in future too given your tone. You closed it prematurely, there were still unresolved issues. Thanks anyway. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, shit. You criticizing my "tone" just broke my fancy new irony detector. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:40, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm talking, once again, about being too involved. Your tone indicates you have a dog in the fight, so it'd be better for you to leave it to someone else, a bit like Mike should have done. I know it's all too easy to assume bad faith with me, but honestly, you made a premature closure, and that's all there is to it. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't anticipate this ever coming up, but if it ever is necessary, I'm uninvolved wrt you, and will do anything I think necessary. For that matter, I'm uninvolved with Mike V too. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:49, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, with commentary like ... perhaps keep your snide comments about others to the 45 pages they're already on... you're involved enough to have shown your hand. That much is fundamentally obvious. See you at Arbcom again. I'm out. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:51, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

You fundamentally mistake criticism with being "involved". I can observe your comments and behavior, realize they are significantly sub-par, say so, and not become too involved to comment or act further. My comment above is not the same order of magnitude as Mike V's previous interactions with you, and it would be a foolish consistency to think it is. "See you at Arbcom again" doesn't engender the concern you seem to think it does, and in this particular case, doesn't even make sense. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:01, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Eh? Your hyperbolic criticism is indicative of one who is too emotional to contribute neutrally. Arcbom is the next step to deal with Mike V's behavioural competence issues, so of course it makes sense. But clearly you're on a parallel thread and agenda of your own. As before, see you at Arbcom! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:05, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

"Hyperbolic"? "Emotional"? For calling snide comments snide? Or for claiming that they've been made on 45 pages? If I reduce it down to a more easily documented 20 pages, would I still be involved in your eyes? You're a real puzzle, you are. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:12, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, hyperbolic. Reduce it down to pages you can actually document. Your emotional criticism is clear for all of us to see, including your premature closure allowing Mike V a free pass from further analysis there by concerned editors (and there are dozens, maybe even 45), but as you said already, I'm out of this meaningless debate. It's not productive, it's not improving Misplaced Pages, and my time is better spent elsewhere, and defending myself from rogue admins (who may also happen to be checkuser and oversight-enabled... curious.) The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

In German we say: Der Klügere gibt nach. There are articles to be written, as you probably know. I miss my friend Alakzi since Mike V blocked him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I'd buy that, if it weren't for the stain on my log where Mike V accused me of lying twice before hopping off to never-never land to avoid scrutiny. It's not going to work. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Merry

Season's Greetings, Floquenbeam! At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD|Talk 16:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, MarnetteD. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too. Here's to 2017 being better than 2016. I know, it won't be, but one can dream... --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely!! MarnetteD|Talk 02:06, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Protection

Auto-confirmed status will not work. Vandal has sleeper accounts. Thank you, nonetheless.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:53, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Better? --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:58, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much. However, there needs to be a more permanent solution somehow in the future. I cannot count how many times this has happened.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:53, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

There are a couple options. I think you should request indefinite extended confirmed protection of your talk, no expiry date. It's very difficult to sock your way to EC status. Making 500 dummy edits to your userspace in quick succession will always look at least a little suspicious. I have no idea what this person's problem is, but you would think that after a while the vandal would give up or get bored. You could also try the WP:CLEANSTART approach. Abandon TheGracefulSlick account and start editing under a new one. It wouldn't be considered sockpuppetry since you would have a good reason for doing so. But I doubt you would like that very much. Sro23 (talk) 01:01, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Sro23 were could I make such a request? That would be my only option because, you are correct, I would not like abandoning this account at all. I accomplished too much on it and I would need to distance myself from anyone I work with for a clean start to be effective.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:08, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

WP:RFPP. I don't think they would deny your request given the situation. Sro23 (talk) 02:11, 22 December 2016 (UTC)