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The Wedding at Cana

Hallo, Chas. Caltrop! Perhaps I should further explain my edit: "looting" is something individual soldiers do for their personal gain. Those of low rank, that is. If you claim that Napoleon "looted", it either sounds farcical or expresses a strong value judgement. Misplaced Pages should be neither comical nor moralising. There is also a fundamental problem of factual correctness: the 1797 appropriations did not benefit the personal wealth of Napoleon but made the objects seized, property of the French people. The French revolutionary armies were accompanied by special représentants du peuple who systematically took all objects of scientific and artistic interest and had them transported to the collections in Paris. Greetings, --MWAK (talk) 20:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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WP:MOS / MOS:BOLD / WP:LASTNAME

I'm just clarifying some questions about Edward Said. I hope to learn some things in the process. I had taken out the bolded mention of Said's full name in the body. I cited WP:LASTNAME (which says to use the full name on the first mention - which is in the lead - and only the last name subsequently, unless there's some reason to suspect that confusion would result from doing that). I also think that MOS:BOLD is pretty clear (after describing the use of bold in the lead or to redirects to specific sections, it says, "Use boldface in the remainder of the article only in a few special cases.") I'm thinking that it's redundant to describe a polyglot who speaks three languages, just like it wouldn't be necessary to characterize someone as a bilingual individual who speaks English and Spanish.

These seemed like straightforward changes, and I would usually make them without a second thought (or would suggest them to an editor during a Good Article review - which this article has already passed). I figure that most people don't revert changes just for fun, so I must be failing to consider one or more points with these edits. Can you let me know what those are? I appreciate it - and your work to keep one of our Good Articles up to standard. EricEnfermero (Talk) 21:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Reply to EricEnfermero,

Yes, but, as you pointed out: it is optional (one or the other), and I exercised that option as a common sense, formal beginning to the biography. The Introduction (the lead, in newspaper jargon) is separate and apart from the biography proper. Without the Introduction, the biography article should be complete, in itself, therefore the full name of the subject is indicated; after all, Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper, so, spelling out the facts is the norm in encyclopedic writing. You need not believe me, fetch a newspaper or a magazine and compare that loose language (filler between adverts) to the Standard language of an encyclopedia article; thus, our war of reverts was for nought.

Moreover, in real life, parents usually do not address their child by surname, usually by name: Baby Edward or Baby Said? Common sense trumps the rulebook, it is in the MOS explanations. Therefore, in my experience, the changes, from a full name to a surname, tend to be edit-war provocations in behalf of a third party (usually an important Somebody with a public image to protect); your editorial contributions history supports my opinion. As you might know or might not know, the Misplaced Pages MOS recommends editorial common sense in producing an article, rather than the martinet’s supremacy of the rules over reality: the factual content of the biography of Edward W. Said.

If you are legitimately interested, follow up.

Cheers,

Chas. Caltrop (talk) 22:54, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

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Just curious ...

Your username showed up on a list I'm watching, and I wondered whether it's a real name, or an homage to the character Charles Calthrop in The Day of the Jackal (1973)? —ATS 🖖 Talk 19:24, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Reply to ATS,

Why, yes, my nom de guerre is in homage to that fellow. It is good news to meet someone knowledgeable of good cinema.

Talk with you soon. Ciao.

Chas. Caltrop (talk) 13:08, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Excellent film. In fact, the reviews of the time said it was very much faithful to the book, so I never bothered to read the book. Only yesterday did I confirm that the character was in fact there. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 Talk 20:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

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Hi! I'm here about this revert. I just wanted to ask what factual errors I had introduced, because I only intended to change the curly quotes to straight quotes per MOS:CQ, remove the spaces between the periods in the ellipses per MOS:ELLIPSES (since the MOS states that "A quotation is not a facsimile, and in most cases it is not desirable to duplicate the original formatting" and that "Formatting and other purely typographical elements of quoted text should be adapted to English Misplaced Pages's conventions without comment provided that doing so will not change or obscure the meaning of the text"), and remove the spaces around the em dashes per MOS:EMDASH. If I could fix whatever problems I caused, I'd like to request permission to revert back. Thanks! Me, Myself & I (☮) (talk) 17:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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Just wanted to stop by and express appreciation for your excellent edits on Babbitt to improve the content and style. I think that significant problems remain, several of which you identity, especially POV (often creditable observations but still POV) appearing as fact/NPOV. More extensive sourcing here might help. Also, the overall approach is partially essay/critical analysis rather than encyclopedia article. Again, I believe some tweaking and sourcing could help there, and when time permits I'd like to start seeing if a few minor edits and rewordings can help the article further. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 17:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

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Bravo!

Chas,

Re: Reduction of cognitive dissonance: I don't know if you always use such high-falutin' language, but, damn!, you put that boy/girl in his/her place! Glad you're on our side in the Misplaced Pages wars. Paulmlieberman (talk) 13:15, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

A reply to Paul M. Lieberman:

Belated thanks for your support, yet my factual reply was self-defence against traducement.

Let me know what you think.

Chas. Caltrop (talk) 15:10, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

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