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Usernames in ANI headings

It seems to me that section headings at WP:ANI would be more useful if they included the username(s) of the editor(s) who are the subjects of the complaints. I modified one on Saturday, but I felt comfortable with that edit only because the heading said nothing specific at all. That was a rare occurrence.

I don't propose a "rule" in this area, but I think editors who care about this should be able to do more than the occasional heading change without being seen as disruptive. For example I would change headings like "User continues to remove sourced material" to include the username, and I might be seen changing 10 or 15 such headings at once.

Comments? ―Mandruss ☎ 20:05, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I'd prefer to see this usually only done to the vague headers, like "request for admin", and not something to do 10 or 15 at a time. Most of the time it doesn't really matter who the user is, and it can risk focusing too much on the user than the problem. Taking your example of "User continues to remove sourced material", I think it would not be helpful or add anything useful. On this subject I would like to see users stop adding {{u}} or any other templates to section headers, as this breaks the section links. -- zzuuzz 20:34, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
The opposite should be applied. Someone surveyed AfbComm requests and found that including a username in those headings significantly increased the chance the user would be sanctioned. I'd expect that ANi would be worse. It sucks to be dragged through the mud and seeing your name heading an ANi thread every time someone posts is discouraging. It sets the table against the person named in the heading. Legacypac (talk) 02:29, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Correlation ≠ causation. --Floquenbeam (talk) 03:25, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Floq is correct. That survey was brought up recently at WP:ARC and shot down for the same reason. I tend to disagree with the rest of your reasoning, but I can kinda see how the increased visibility of names could raise the temperature a few degrees in an already hot environment. Cost might exceed benefit. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
It wasn't "shot down" per se; parties whom one would expect to disagree with such a premise did indeed disagree with it. C'est tout. — fortunavelut luna 18:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I disagreed with it, albeit silently, and I am not one of those alleged parties. "Correlation ≠ causation" is really all one needs to say. The proponent of the argument failed to show the causal relationship B->C to the exclusion of A->B&C, so the claim was in fact shot down. Not saying the subject is closed, but it's closed in that venue. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • To circle back around to the original question, I think a descriptive header should be used, but if there is no username in the original header I don't think one should necessarily be added. Converting "admin help!" to "Help with user who refuses to listen" would be acceptable over "Primefac refuses to listen".
In thinking about it, it would also be problematic to change the header after more than one or two people have commented on it. Changing a header of a thread with 10-15 comments could confuse the previous editors who have commented. Primefac (talk) 16:25, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • I just want to note that what Legacypac said is misleading at best. Causation has not been proven and likely runs in a different direction. It's far more likely that cases named after an individual were the result of significant behavioral problems with few mitigating factors (e.g. poor behavior from another editor, disruption in a topic area as a whole). This would obviously be associated with more sanctions. ~ Rob13 18:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
That is Rob13's opinion at best. Yes many people are named because they caused problems, but not always and not very fairly. I've seen editors slam other editors based on that editor being named in the header - even when there was no case. The very fact someone is header named increased the focus on that editor's behavior. It's quite tough to turn the tables on the filer, even when their behavior is worse. Every experienced ANi or ArbCom participant knows in their heart how this works and the more "skilled" ones use it to their advantage. Legacypac (talk) 03:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I typically use a higher threshold than "knowing in my heart" when trying to make major systemic changes. I see WP:BOOMERANG pop up extremely regularly at ANI, which contradicts the idea that turning the tables on the filer is difficult. ~ Rob13 04:15, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
    • It seems fairly obvious to me that causation is unproven here and that Rob's explanation is a very plausible one - though again unproven. But whatever the explanation of the statistics, headings ought to be neutral (per the instructions at the top of WP:ANI) and I don't see how headings like "GoldenRing is edit warring against consensus" are neutral. GoldenRing (talk) 13:26, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
  • "Address the problem, not the editor"
I would try and avoid this as much as possible. Only if it's tied directly to one editor, and it's a long-running problem with that particular editor, ought it to be done.
Ask why other editors need to read this name. Is their understanding of the problem going to benefit, or does it just needlessly personalise a problem? Andy Dingley (talk) 13:34, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

User: Unfairnessdoctrine is vandalizing both article and talk content.

The user Unfairnessdoctrine is vandalizing article and talk content with non-NPOV content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.146.13.109 (talk) 06:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Urgent: Serious Vandalism of Article Mukesh Hariawala (Needs Speedy Deletion)

Moved to AN. GoldenRing (talk) 10:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Single-purpose IP editor on the loose

Could we please have additional competent eyes on this BLP article that has become the play-ground for this IP editor (and this one, probable the same person) who keeps on adding unsourced material into the article while at the same time removing sourced material from the said article? This person doesn't reply to well-meant messages left on his talk page. Reporting him to WP:AVN resulted in me getting blocked :) even though I used Exemption no. 7 of the edit-warring policy. Additional info on the subject matter can be found here. I simply don't have the time to keep on reverting the disruptive edits on the said article. Thank you. 89.14.255.174 (talk) 10:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


I think that i want to ask for arbitration

I was in the discussion with User talk:Canterbury Tail.I don't want make him angry.Is there someone who can tell me why he is acting like this?.Sorry for my lack of English.USAthegreatest (talk) 20:06, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

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