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Bits like The human rights of the refugees wishing to return to their former homes and properties are currently being violated as their return is denied by the Turkish army.

Is now out of date, as under a order from the ECHR, . So far I believe that 3 cases have been concluded so far (Despite oposition from the Greek Cypriot government)

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=34015 --SolDrury 11:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Your reference claims exactly the opposite of what you describe, please read your reference.

1. issue, a Greek Cypriot must recognize TRNC thus recognizing properties that have been expropriated by the Turkish authorities multiple examples (university campuses, roads etc etc).
2. Issue An owner has to sit in a court room for what is rightfully his/hers!!!!
3. Issue 3 and i quote from your ref: "The commission sent the offer to Arestis’ lawyer, and said returning the property would be possible only after the Cyprus problem is resolved". Thus even after recognizing the TRNC with all that it encompasses, sitting in a courtroom for what rightfully you own you will still be deprived of your property!!!!!! ...untill there is a solution to the issue. (One might think, hold on, isnt the solution de facto aiming in satisfying issues such as property and property rights?) ????

It seems that this mechanism aims in recognizing TRNC and not offering properties back to rightfull owners.

1. The ECHR has yet to decide whether the commission set up is a means for what you describe as a fact and i quote your words : there is a mechanism for the return of property and the payment of compensation pasted from your external ref: In the light of the commission’s recent decision, the ECHR will announce its verdict shortly in the case of Ksenides-Arestis. There are two options in the issue.

In Short, Bits like The human rights of the refugees wishing to return to their former homes and properties are currently being violated as their return is denied by the Turkish army. are the essence of the article, true and verifiable. I think the link you have supplied needs to be added in the externals for reference. Aristovoul0s 15:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Cyprus Refugees

Please contribute freely Aristovoul0s 18:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

disputed tag added

Another great nationalist contribution to Misplaced Pages. Greek Cypriots are not the only refugees in Cyprus. TC's became refugees long before 74 when the Greek army under Grivas was terrorising their villages. Inflated GC figures, original research, words like "Turkish Brutality", accusations that TC ministers shot GC protestors, usual legal documents criticisng Turkey etc etc. Need i say more. --A.Garnet 19:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Please feel free to pinpoint what is not cited. Feel free to add about TC's refugees. If you are willing to give me a hand lets also write about Cyprus refugees and displaced people during the Ottoman Empire. Aristovoul0s 22:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Comparisons

I've deleted the "comparisons" section as it was unencyclopedic. It's like having an article about the Iraq War and having a section saying "imagine if America was invaded - here's what it would be like". —Khoikhoi 22:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Although some encyclopedias do have "comparisons" i can live with that. Aristovoul0s 15:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Added another image

There were too many images depicting the Greek POV, so I decided to add one that is well-known to most Turks. Hopefully this won't cause any problems. —Khoikhoi 23:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

It's just so beautiful

I just don't get where all this animosity comes from, it is because of this very reason that Misplaced Pages's standing takes a hit.. Maybe the world doesn't merit an open encyclopedia because there are way too many people who harbor so much animosity and have agendas.. Ditto A. Garnet Baristarim 23:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Please assume good faith in my person. I do not want to confront you both like this but seeing your comment and your edits to this article someone could say that it is YOU who have an agenda. Why dont you add constructively??? Aristovoul0s 15:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Civilian casualties and displacements during the Cyprus conflict

Doesnt the content of this article fall in the older article Civilian casualties and displacements during the Cyprus conflict? --A.Garnet 08:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does 100%. Anybody interested in performing the merge? •NikoSilver• 11:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I also agree. Plus, this one has an ugly title... --Michalis Famelis (talk) 12:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I disagree Civilian casualties and displacements during the Cyprus conflict covers the civilian casualties and displacements that occurred between 1963 and 1975 — from the outbreak of the intercommunal fighting until the end of displacements following the Turkish Invasion of Cyprus. "Cypriot refugee" though focuses with the still ongoing strife of cypriot refugees, from 1974 onwards. 87.228.212.10 19:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Reasons

• changed "occupied" to "controlled", as the latter seems to be the more NPOV option here. Compare to articles about Nagorno-Karabakh (Azeris called it occupation, Armenians probably saw it as liberation), therefore we just say that NK is controlled by Armenians.

• The map shows up to where the Turkish forces extended during the invasion of Cyprus in 1974. For the time of the invasion occupied should be the NPOV term. Please see the related articles. Aristovoul0s 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
• Removed "illegal" before "TRNC". It's an unecessary aspect about it, and is not the most important factor in it being what it is. Perhaps 'de facto' is better? —Khoikhoi 23:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Why is it unecessary? It is one of the most important factors here. The international community and the UN (~200 member countries) do not acknowledge a legal right of either Kenan Akin or Erdan Emanet to prevent a cypriot from entering Cyprus territory. Not only they have shot and killed (murdered) Solomou, but also their presence as officials shooting was illegal. It is the UN aspect Vs Turkey aspect. Which one is closer to NPOV? Aristovoul0s 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
  • De facto is closer to NPOV, also, many people dispute that the TRNC is illegal. You have to be in other people's shoes to understand why. —Khoikhoi 22:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
• The only country that does so is Turkey and in doing so she violates her obligations against the charter

And i quote : Charter of the United Nations Article 2 "The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles".

4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations. Both Turkey and Republic of Cyprus are members. Turkey has obligation under the charter to respect the Sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. If otherwise then she is violating her obligation. I hold that the word illegal should be used and i back it up by the UN member countries take away Turkey. How many countries hold your view? Aristovoul0s 18:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Merging

I agree with the addition of this article to the Civilian casualties and displacements during the Cyprus conflict article as a separate section, cause Civilian casualties and displacements during the Cyprus conflict is more general than this one. E104421 12:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Cypriot refugee covers different period.80.250.128.5 12:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the periods. After the merging the content would be enhanced to cover all. Merging does not mean removing! So, it would be better to present all the information given in these articles under a single general one. E104421 12:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

One more comment for user 80.250.128.5, you should first discuss your reasons here in the talk/discussion page before removing the tag. E104421 12:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't remove the dispute tag

This article is highly biased. —Khoikhoi 15:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Please elaborate khoikoi... or at least justify your comment... Aristovoul0s 15:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I will soon. —Khoikhoi 17:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)