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Gdeleuze 09:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)==To the writer of the text below==

"But the names, begining from their father Yacub (English Jacob), Ishak (English Isaac), Illias (English Eliajah), Aruj ( English Aaron), Khidr (from Hebrew word Kheider which has a meaning Hebrew religious school) makes them forcefully converted to Islam Jews. To this conclusion we can arrive based on the following evidence: (a) they became privateers only after members of their family of tradesman was robbed, put in slavery, killed by Christian "Knights of Rhodes" as a some sort of a revanche; (b) so called Barbarian coast insluded modern Greece, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon with very large presence of Jewish tradesman and sailors; (c) Their nickname Barbarossa has a translation "barba" (red) + "rossa" (bird) because as high rank Jews in the Bible they got red hair birds which they, usually, colored with henna from India. Their heir on the head was light brown and the noses were distinct to a classic type of a Jew. Neither ordinary Turkes, nor Arabs or Greecs didn't have normally such look; (d) as we well know today, Islam always practised cultural genocide and everything what was good and admirable in converted to Islam people they tried to falsify as their own achievement. The same practice was very common in medieval Europe. Nobody ever bothered to analyze contradictions of their mythology because of Anti-Semitism shared by both religions."

This text is full of grammatical and semantic errors. And additionally, there is no reference to be associated with it. All the names of Barbarossa brothers were Islamic names. Of course, they have affinity with Hebrew names since both religions are semitic and have similar names and content to some extent. Moreover translation of "barbarossa" is wrong, barba means "beard" and rosso(a) means "red" in Italian. Furthermore, color of the beard or shape of the nose cannot determine one's ethnicity. I've got lots of Jewish acquaintances with different hair colors and various types of nose.

So, I invite the writer of this text to a discussion here. Otherwise, by a couple of days from now, I will have deleted this content.

Kizzuwatna 04:43, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, I deleted the the text in question and wanted to make a note of the change here. The whole passage, apparently driven solely by the author's distress over what he sees as the "culturally genocidal" aspect of conversion, reads very unacademic, to put it mildly. If there is a credible hypothesis that Barbarossa is of Jewish origin, it may be noted in passing, as in: '... while others make him a Janissary from Vardar, near Thessaloniki, possibly of Sephardic Jewish origin.'

Gdeleuze 09:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

This is the first time I hear of his allegedly Jewish origin. There is even no proof that his father was of devshirmeh background, let alone Jew. And we shouldn't forget that Sephardic Jews were majorly settled in the area after 1492.
Kizzuwatna 09:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposal

I'm proposing to move this page to Barbarossa, per Britannica and Columbia. However, since it's already a dab page perhaps something like Barbarossa (Ottoman), Barbarossa (Ottoman corsair), Barbarossa (Ottoman admiral), or Barbarossa (Ottoman privateer) would do. If there are no objections I will move this page in a weeks time. —Khoikhoi 04:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with moving this page to Barbarossa, but i support renaming it as Barbaros Hayreddin Pasha. E104421 12:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
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