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Thank you...

...for adding information about the XM-2000 scooter and a link to BaseStationZero. Appreciated!

-A. Fox

Hyundai Elantra LPI Hybrid

I though you might be interested in participating in this discussion to merge the hybrid version article.-Mariordo (talk)

"only Microsoft" - only redundant?

About my change that you reverted, it seems your addition was problematic. Google claims over 2 billion; I'm not aware anyone else does. What do you propose for a) that part and b) tfor Microsoft? Maybe no extra words? comp.arch (talk) 15:25, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, no extra words unless there is a reference. Thanks for asking. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 16:22, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Please read before acting

Please read Misplaced Pages:Non-admin closure. User:Deepdeepocean is disqualified from non-admin closure in this case, and so are you. You don't get to edit an article, !vote in a discussion, and then proceed to invoke the snowball clause for a non-admin closure. See WP:BADNAC. Involved editors have to let others decide the outcome. You should probably re-read WP:SNOW as well. There's a great deal of misunderstanding going on here. You should trust that there are admins around who are aware of policy and are capable of applying it. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:52, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Disappointing you want to continue to waste people's time. Disappointing 18 keeps versus two deletes isn't sufficient for you to get the message. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

It's not a vote. If you really don't understand that, you should spend more time reading before taking action. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:22, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Its disappointing you don't really don't understand consensus. You should really try to understand what so many people are telling you. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Have you read WP:Consensus? It says "The quality of an argument is more important than whether it represents a minority or a majority view. The arguments 'I just don't like it' and 'I just like it' usually carry no weight whatsoever." and "Consensus is ascertained by the quality of the arguments given on the various sides of an issue, as viewed through the lens of Misplaced Pages policy." Consensus is determined this way: "Consensus is not determined by counting heads, but neither is it determined by the closer's own views about what is the most appropriate policy. The closer is there to judge the consensus of the community, after discarding irrelevant arguments: those that flatly contradict established policy, those based on personal opinion only, those that are logically fallacious, and those that show no understanding of the matter of issue." The math you're using is counting !votes that don't actually count.

I'm not sure why you keep telling me that you are disappointed. Is there a reason I should care whether you are disappointed or not? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:14, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Disappointment , perhaps can tell you that your actions are not stellar. Yes, the quality of the arguments have been stellar, but you don't see that. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 19:20, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Advocacy in Misplaced Pages

Hi Daniel.Cardenas

Along with my editing here, I work on conflict of interest and advocacy issues in Misplaced Pages.

I'd like to make sure you are aware of what we are all about here. First and foremost, there are a lot of things that Misplaced Pages is not. Due to its open nature as "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit", a lot of people come to Misplaced Pages with a misunderstanding of what Misplaced Pages is, and what it isn't. One of our most important policies, is What Misplaced Pages is not (abbreviated as "NOT")

One of the things it isn't, is a platform for advocacy or advertising (these are the same thing, from the community's perspective - content written to promote or denigrate something, that violates key content policies and guidelines as well).

This is discussed in the WP:SOAPBOX section of NOT.

We do understand that sometimes people are passionate about something in the real world, and want to come to Misplaced Pages to contribute to articles about that. This passion is a double-edged sword -- it drives contributions, but it can also lead people to be in too much of a hurry, and too intense, to learn how Misplaced Pages works and how to edit and behave according to the policies and guidelines that the community has built to govern itself. People who are passionate also have a hard time listening, and working through differences calmly, based on the policies and guidelines.

This is discussed somewhat in the policy section, WP:YESPOV. We also have two very good essays offering advice - one is WP:ADVOCACY and the other is WP:SPA (the latter stands for "single purpose account"). Please do read them both.

It takes time to really be what we call WP:HERE (as in "here to build an encyclopedia"). Only you can decide if you will be here, or not here. But please do be aware that you agree to learn and follow the policies and guidelines every time you edit here - that agreement is in Terms of Use that is linked-to, at the bottom of every page, and a link to the Terms of Use is also directly over the "save" button in the editing window. That is the basis on which we restrict the privileges of people who are NOTHERE.

So really - it is your choice! Please slow down and learn, and please stop trying to use Misplaced Pages as a SOAPBOX to talk about how exciting Tesla's products are. If you continue as you have been, you will end up very frustrated and frustrating a lot of people in the process.

So... good luck! I will be happy to answer any questions you have. You can reply here if you like - I am watching your page now. Jytdog (talk) 02:46, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I've been here much longer than you as implied by our edit histories. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 02:50, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

If you have been here that long, then you know that we topic ban people who cannot edit neutrally. Your account is near-SPA for Tesla and almost all of it is adding promotional content and removing negative content. This is a very clear, demonstrable pattern. It is wonderful to be a fan, but not OK in WP. Not at all OK. Jytdog (talk) 02:54, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Your blinded by your negatively. I've indicated on the talk page how edits are not hype. Read it. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 03:00, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Removing the already-reduced critical content is a form of hype. Your pattern of hyping Tesla is extremely clear. It would be better for everyone if you restrained yourself and aimed for the mission of Misplaced Pages, which is to provide neutral content, which means describing the promises and the criticisms. This is not a place to hype things. Please restrain yourself. Jytdog (talk) 03:14, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Removing helpful content, is not helpful to wikipedia. It would be better for everyone if you restrained yourself and gathered consensus on talk page first. This is not the place to be negative. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 03:17, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I am done trying. You will soon find yourself at ANI facing a request for a topic ban, supported by many, many diffs. It is not OK to abuse WP to promote anything. Jytdog (talk) 03:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate your days work. Almost all were very good. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 03:26, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Removing already-reduced, well-sourced, negative content is unacceptable. The Bloomberg artile is an exceptionally high quality ref and your removing that is inexcusable.Jytdog (talk) 03:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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Edit war warning

Your recent editing history at Tesla Semi shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Good text. Seems more applicable to you than me. I did write on the talk page. You should have responded before revert. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 15:50, 20 December 2017 (UTC)