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December 28

Mentoring

Is there a place to refer contributors to for mentoring, or list of experienced Wikipedians willing to engage in mentoring? Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. nagualdesign 01:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nagualdesign: Look at Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-user. RudolfRed (talk) 02:14, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Brilliant. That's exactly what I wanted. Thanks, Rudolf. Have a carrot on me. nagualdesign 02:36, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

How to I make a redesign of the main page in the draft space?

Ive seen several redesign proposals for the Misplaced Pages Main page and I was wondering how you make the Main page redesign. YuriGagrin12 (talk) 03:32, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Search question

Is there an easy way to search for articles in a specific field that have certain tags? For example, if I wanted to search for educators that have the notability tag how would I do that? Sandals1 (talk) 04:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

See the Tracking categories section in the docs for {{Notability}}. Also see e.g., Category:All articles with topics of unclear notability. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:35, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, but it's not really what I'm looking for. Isn't there a program or template or something that allows me to search for articles with certain characteristics? Other examples would be to find biographies that have been tagged for a conflict of interest or sports articles that have been marked as needing more sources.Sandals1 (talk) 16:20, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@Sandals1: incategory is your friend, see Help:Searching. This being said, I do not manage to get it to work for multiple cats - I would have said that for your second example, incategory:"Misplaced Pages articles with possible conflicts of interest" incategory:"Biography articles of living people" would do the trick but the result page is empty, as well as the help page's example of incategory:"Suspension bridges in the United States" incategory:Bridges_in_New_York_City, so either something is broken or the doc is out-of-date. Tigraan 14:12, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Tigraan, thanks for looking. It seems like there's no way to easily search for articles with certain characteristics.Sandals1 (talk) 15:40, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Help changing an article title

Hi,

I'd really appreciate a push in the right direction - I've looked at the instructions on how to change an article title but I'm not autoconfirmed. Is there any way to change a title without first being autoconfirmed?

The issue is minor but has legal ramifications. The title of this article ]ShowMax is ShowMax. I'm looking to change it to Showmax (without the camel capital). The company no-longer uses the camel capital (as of August 2016). I've added an entry to the history section of the article that details this change.

Any help would be hugely appreciated, thanks!Cottoncocoon (talk) 05:08, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I've moved the article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Where to complain one "διαχειριστής" (greek for administrator) in another WP project

Hi all. I want to complain about the acts of a certain administrator in another WP project. Which door should I knock? Thanks for the help. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 07:32, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Τζερόνυμο - What Misplaced Pages project are you referring to? ~Oshwah~ 07:33, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick respond. Greek Misplaced Pages. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 07:35, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

The Greek equivalent of enwiki's WP:AN is at el:Βικιπαίδεια:Σημειωματάριο_διαχειριστών. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer David Biddulph, but that not what I am looking for. I don't want to complain on the greek version of WP:AN but to a higher level. The reason lies on the nature of my complain. I can explain if you want, but I guess, I will be wasting your time. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 07:46, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Τζερόνυμο - There isn't a "higher court" to escalate things outside what is stated in the policies and procedures at that project. There are directions there and you need to follow them. ~Oshwah~ 08:20, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Ok, let me make a quick summury and inform me what to do: As you may know, Greece and Turkey are considerned bitter rivals since ages. I edited some articles, conserning the history of the two countries, and a)added the Turkish perspective and b)added the atrocities committed by Greek paramilitaries. Every addition was cited to academic or reliable secondary source (bbc, Nyt etc) That was enough to brand me as anti-Greek by some users and an administrator ban me from editing histroy articles on the ground of discrimination. The same story in Religion, I have edited some articles concerning atheism and christianity -mostly translations from en.WP. They branded me as anti-christian and banned me from editing religious articles on the ground of discrimination. It is a clear violation of the principles of Misplaced Pages, that administrator is preventing me to make useful contributions to Misplaced Pages. I can provide citation if needed. So.... where should I go and complain? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 09:11, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

If you're trying to play mom against dad you're in the wrong place. The English Misplaced Pages is not Team America: World Police and has no jurisdiction over other Wikis. nagualdesign 16:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

The link you are looking for is WP:FORUMSHOP. Presumably, there should be an equivalent of that on el-wp. Tigraan 14:03, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

2017 Lusophony Games

2017 Lusophony Games already held? The years only three days left. Simon 1996 (talk) 10:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

It is surprisingly hard to find any information. The latest I found is from 2015 where Mozambique still said they would hold the games in 2017. I guess they were quietly cancelled. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:02, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Delays seem to be a feature of this event: the 2013 games were postponed to January 2014 "due to the slow progress of infrastucture construction." AndrewWTaylor (talk) 12:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

A November 2017 article in Portuguese talks about discussions to hold Lusophony Games in July 2018 in São Tomé and Príncipe. I guess that would be a replacement for the scheduled 2017 games in Mozambique. If it happens and is just viewed as the 4th Lusophony Games then it might be called a delay and change of location. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

AD vs CE

I have a problem with the us of "common era" CE instead of "Anno Domini" AD. It's stupid. The PROTEST to having a date linked to a Christian or religious benchmark is a waste of time and energy because none of today's existence would be where it is if it weren't for Jesus. Doesn't make any difference what one believes, the truth is that the beginning of the Common Era stills start on Jesus's birthday. If they wanted to be really accurate, they should start the Common Era four years before the Anno Domini year one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falerina (talk • contribs) 18:11, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@Falerina: Both AD/BC and CE/BCE are allowed in Misplaced Pages articles, but each article should use one or the other not both. See WP:MOS. If there is a particular article that you think should be using AD instead of CE, please discuss it on that article's talk page to get consensus. RudolfRed (talk) 18:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

More specifically than WP:MOS, try MOS:ERA. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:17, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Incidentally, Jesus was most likely born between 6 and 4 BC. See Chronology of Jesus.--Shantavira| 11:18, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Or possibly never existed at all. Merry Christmas everybody! nagualdesign 16:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm Jewish, but I find the term "Meridian of Time" to be very useful. Just like the Prime Meridian, you count up in both directions from it, and like the Prime Meridian, *relatively* arbitrary. Now I haven't met anyone who uses longitude and latitude who doesn't think the Greenwich, England doesn't exist, but I'd find them interesting.Naraht (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@Naraht: I think that Greenwich exists, and I've met at least two people who think alike. Alas... Too bad the prime meridian wasn't based on the German city of Bielefeld. That would make for a funny discussion down the line you were drawing.Renerpho (talk) 05:45, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Renerpho: Here's to the Bielfield Meridian, may it exist or not. :)Naraht (talk) 20:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Here is my view, which I think is well-grounded in policy. These designations are only needed in articles about things that happened in early history, over 2000 years ago, or within a few hundred years after that. For pre-history, we can say something like "100,000 years ago". Contemporary events do not need these designations. BC/AD are designations that originated in Christianity and should be used in articles about early Christianity and Christian communities. BCE/CE are more neutral designations, and should be used in articles about Judaism of that era and civilizations with no connection with Judeo-Christianity at that time, such as India, China and Japan. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:48, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Block User

Just like User_talk:Burger King Corporation, User:DongbuHiTek was created for the same purposes User:Burger King Corporation was created, it only made one edit: and it was to add that company to that list. It's unactive, but it could easily be used for self promotional purposes. That edit, even though it was a constructive one, was made by a user that is clearly owned by a company looking for self promotion. Pancho507 (talk) 21:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I almost got waylaid by your message. ​Pancho, while the user account you mention is promotional and could have been blocked if it had been reported in 2015, right now there's no need to act on such user accounts that have made promotional edits years ago, unless they're tripping the edit filter log recently. These are considered stale reports. Thanks, Lourdes 09:15, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Do wikitables break talk pages?

At Talk:Georges St-Pierre, Brokenlegmike placed a requested wikitable in the section "Adding "Weight Class Fought in" column to each mma fighters "Mixed Martial Arts Record" Table." The template coding for the table appears in the correct section in the edit window but the table results appear in the last section of the talk page and joins the template for edit requests to itself in the "Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2017" section. I've never seen this behavior before and don't know how to fix it. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:25, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

They had forgotten the end bracket to close the table off. NZFC 23:04, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@NZ Footballs Conscience:, thanks. I had thought it might be something like that, but I couldn't find it. Thanks again. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:20, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Notable football clubs in non-FIFA countries

Are football clubs in non-FIFA countries that have multiple trustworthy articles about them considered notable, as there are many red links on the page List of top-division football clubs in non-FIFA countries, and I'm not sure if they are not made because they aren't notable or if other wikipedians haven't gotten around to editing it. A Lenz with no contact (talk) 06:45, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes,​ is the short answer (assuming that the multiple sources you mention have discussed the club(s) significantly). WP:ORG gives the appropriate guidelines that each club will have to meet to be considered notable. Write back for more assistance. Thanks, Lourdes 09:03, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

December 29

Cats Facts

Did you know that cats are carnivors? Well they are there also felines! There cool and creepy taste of snippy attitude! Yep cats are known to be the nosiest animals of all time! There scary but mysterious and cute! I have one in fact! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiCuteGirl12 (talk • contribs) 01:24, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with Misplaced Pages. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:35, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Wrong name on my wiki page

I am Suchitra Pillai , actress from Mumbai , wiki has my name on site as Suchitra Pillai -Malik which was my first married name . I divorced in 1997 but people still print my name as think because of my wiki page . Can it pls be changed to Suchitra Pillai ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suchi pillai (talk • contribs) 10:04, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I have moved the article to Suchitra Pillai. (None of the sources cited in the article has any mention of "Malik".) Maproom (talk) 10:15, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Wrong name on my page

Can someone please edit my name from Suchitra Pillai-Malik to Suchitra Pillai on my page as I got divorced in 1997!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suchi pillai (talk • contribs) 10:11, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

(See above.)   Maproom (talk) 10:16, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

The OP Suchi pillai may need to clear her browser cache to ensure she's seeing the latest version of the page. She might also bear in mind that all Misplaced Pages editors are unpaid volunteers working from their own premises in their own free time, not paid employees working in an office. Maproom responded to the initial request in a mere 5 minutes, where 5 to 15 hours (depending on Time zones) would normally be considered a prompt response. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.208.241 (talk) 11:38, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

List of 4 O'Clock Club episodes

This article, about a TV series, has the number of viewers per episode in a graph. The columns of the graph States the numbers are in millions, but the episodes are up to 493,000. I don't think 493 {short} billion people watched this episode. Clearly, the numbers are not in millions, but they are numbers of units. How do I remove the word "millions" from the column heading?

List of 4 O'Clock Club episodes

Boleslaw (talk) 11:13, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done It was necessary to insert a blank viewers_type parameter in the {{Episode table}} template for each series. Thank you Boleslaw for identifying this error: Noyster (talk), 13:16, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this.

Boleslaw (talk) 13:23, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

New Product

Hello I am writing to ask if it is okay for me to create an article about a new product that my company designed. I just want to create an article that defines what our product is because its a new terminology. I work for the company in H. R. and am new to this. I wouild like to write a description of the unit, whats inside and how it works. It's a new technology so we have all the information on it. the only public information available to search online is what we put out. Can I do an article on Wiki?

Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tadbada1 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Tadbada1. Broadly speaking, you should avoid doing this. Misplaced Pages is not the place to advertise or promote your new products. Further, individuals like you employed by the company would need to comply to our policy on paid editing and to follow our conflict of interest guidelines. To be considered for inclusion in Misplaced Pages, any topic would need to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines. As per our notability guidelines for products, "If a company is notable, information on its products and services should generally be included in the article on the company itself." While I don't know the name of your company or your product, if your new product becomes notable in the future, some or the other editor on Misplaced Pages will include its information on Misplaced Pages. You don't need to do that yourself. Feel free to write back for any further support. Thanks, Lourdes 18:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Tadbada1. I don't wish to be rude, but if you are even thinking of Misplaced Pages in any way connected with your marketing strategy or online presence, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Misplaced Pages is, and you need to read about the Five pillars and What Misplaced Pages is not. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

• Sorry, but no, for two reasons. First, nobody can write such an article, because the subject is not notable. Second, you cannot write such an article because you have a conflict of interest (see WP:COI and WP:PAID). An article's subject must be notable, by Misplaced Pages's definition of notable. By our definition a subject is not notable unless it has been the subject of two or more articles in major publications, where those articles are independent of the subject, (i.e., not press releases or the like.) Please see WP:NOTABILITY and WP:RS.-Arch dude (talk) 03:32, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Journals

bagaimana mencari jurnal dalam bahasa melayu berkaitan perbandaran mampan di sini — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.164.40.227 (talk) 18:56, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Google translates this as "how to find journals in Malay on sustainable township here".

Hi IP address in Kuala Lumpur. Please note that this is the English Misplaced Pages. Did you intend to ask at the Malay Misplaced Pages? There might be someone here who can help, but only a small proportion of our editors speak Malay. Dbfirs 21:12, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Total page views of +300 articles

Hi everyone!
I was wondering, is it possible to see the number of page views obtained globally by +300 articles? (these ones to be more precise). I'm asking this because the traditional tool allows to insert only ten articles gradually without giving you the possibility to put them all just once. Thanks very much for the help! --Ruislip Gardens (talk) 20:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ruislip Gardens. Massviews may be a helpful tool here, yielding these results for the articles linked from your page (you can change the date range). Please note, these results are just for the page views on Italian Misplaced Pages, and I don't know of a way to automatically tot up all the page views for articles on the same subject on all Wikipedias: Noyster (talk), 22:54, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the help Noyster! ^^ --Ruislip Gardens (talk) 07:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

December 30

Sort stubs by byte size?

Is there a tool that would let me sort https://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Stub-Class_Libraries_articles by their byte size, largest to smallest? I've tried Misplaced Pages:PetScan but I can't drive it well enough. This would let me and others easily identify which of these stub-class articles are likely to in fact be of higher quality. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

New Graphics for NBC Sports in 2018

I Hope there's new graphics on NBC Sports this weekend there better be. Cause I'm Sick of the current ones it needs to go or else we will be stuck with these graphics but not forever until hopefully Super Bowl LII Because networks show new stuff for there super bowl coverage. I hope I'm right if not GET YOUR LAZY BUTTS IN GEAR. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 01:48, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

This is not the appropriate place for this comment. We have no control over what NBC does NZFC 03:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 00:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Want to make sure I have set up archiving right at Talk:Quentin Crisp

I have not set up an archive except once long ago manually.

I hope to set up Talk:Quentin Crisp for automatic archiving of threads when they are two years (17520 hours) old, and to have the current content passing that date archived. I would also like ClueBot III to do this now.

I have added this code:

{{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis
|archiveprefix=Talk:Quentin Crisp/Archive
|format=Y/F
|age=17520
|archivenow={{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}}
}}

Can anyone advise me if the code is correct, and if not, either fix it for me directly, or tell me what parameters to change?

Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 02:20, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

It seems to have done the archiving, but you probably ought to include a means of navigating to the archives. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

..., which I've hopefully done in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:17, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

The automatic archiving seems to have missed one thread, which apparently wasn't signed conventionally, but you can presumably move that manually to the archive. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:20, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Great! Thanks a lot, everybody. I simply deleted that one unarchived comment, since it wasn't relevant to improving the article. Happy New Year to all. μηδείς (talk) 20:08, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

BTW, I do have a follow-up question. Should the "archivenow" parameter be removed, given the archiving is up to date, and no action is necessary until the next run of the bot? Or should I leave that line of code in place? My understanding was that its purpose was to draw the Bot's attention given there was unarchived material older than the age parameter that needed attention. Again, thanks. μηδείς (talk) 20:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

You're misunderstanding the purpose of the |archivenow= parameter, which means "archive threads that contain these templates regardless of their age", not a request to expedite the bot work. Deleting that parameter would mean that threads tagged with {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}} would no longer get instantly archived, but would have no further affect, thus you could delete it or not as you wish. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 04:39, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

2018 in basketball

Can you Move the 2018 in basketball from the talk to the draft article please. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 02:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

You know you can move it yourself? I don't know why you are creating all these pages then asking here for someone to move them? NZFC 04:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Why is it in talk? You have been asked several times to create pages via the article wizard or draft and then submit for review. Eagleash (talk) 04:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Eagleash: could this be a way for the IP to get past the review process for new pages? By creating them on the talk page then asking here for some more established user to move them, it makes them seem more legit and less likely to be declined? NZFC 06:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@NZ Footballs Conscience: Yes, I feel it's a variation of WP:GAME. The editor seems reluctant to follow SoP, which ultimately, can only end badly. Eagleash (talk) 06:42, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

You will also note the same IP's decidedly uncivil comment at #New Graphics for NBC Sports in 2018 above, and on numerous previous occasions. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:01, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps the IP should pull his finger out? -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 10:05, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Cunobeline

Good morning. I have opened a membership in the last few days having used the site previously as a non-member. I am reasonably familiar with XML so editing the site is not difficult for me. I have to say that I am not impressed by the site and I doubt if I will continue membership. Some of the facilities are certainly useful, though I have only experimented thus far: Hotcat, Purge, Twinkle. Being able to move a page would undoubtedly be advantageous and the watchlist is very handy. I understood that I would be welcomed and given good advice and guidance about site protocol, policies, useful information, etc. but nothing like that has happened and I have had to find out things for myself. It would, for example, have been nice if someone could have issued me with something to explain all the preferences options. I have selected a few for use, and discarded a few too, but half of the remainder are meaningless without explanation of their function.

Where I have encountered a real problem is in the unacceptable attitude towards me of someone calling himself "Nicknack009". I have no wish to "blow my trumpet" but please accept on good faith that I am a subject matter expert (SME) in ancient history, especially the period of Roman history from, say, Sulla to the death of Marcus Aurelius. I am well aware of Cunobelinus, as I would call him, and I thought I could improve that article a little, as I have done with two or three other articles. It may well be that, given my inexperience of the site, I breached a certain protocol about the use of BC/AD but it was not pointed out to me by the first editor who reverted part of my update. I tried again and left a comment that as the subject was not a Christian, it would be more appropriate to use BCE/CE notation.

I have subsequently been accused not once but twice by this Nicknack individual that I am an "AD/BC zealot" and I have to say that I find this insulting, especially as he did not merely correct my CE notations but also wiped out everything else I had done as if it was rubbish. This is unacceptable. I saw the BC/AD protocol after his first revert and said I would respect it. I have done so in my latest update of the article a few minutes ago. I'm afraid I saw red when I was twice called a "zealot" but that sort of sarcastic, dismissive, insulting behaviour by a supposedly experienced editor is completely unacceptable.

I am aware by received wisdom from multiple sources that this site is struggling to keep good editors. If people like this Nicknack can go around behaving in a territorial manner and shouting abuse at newcomers, it is hardly surprising.

I will probably not be available again till about Tuesday or Wednesday but I will look in when I can and I will decide then whether it is a good idea to continue as a member. As things currently stand, that is unlikely. I am not at all impressed. VZ (talk) 11:54, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Vergangene Zeiten, your edits changing the dating style were first reverted by one editor, who left a concise explanation in the edit summary. You reinserted the dating style, and that's when Nick reverted your addition again using the term "revert WP:ERA zealotry" in the edit summary. You once again attempted to change the dating style with a misleading edit summary (claiming you will respect the guideline... but actually didn't), and were reverted again by Nick with a similar "zealotry" edit summary; post which, Nick proceeded to leave a well-worded and quite a decent note to you on your talk page. Not only did you delete this note calling him an "a__hole", you proceeded to his talk page and again addressed him as that (apart from telling him to "stick zealotry up his..."). Honestly, it's a wonder you've not been warned more strongly for attacking an established editor like that. Personal attacks like what you made on Nick can lead to editors getting blocked – so avoid that from hereon.

At this juncture, I would strongly suggest to you to apologize to Nick, and take up editing discussions on Talk:Cunobeline – basically, follow the procedure described at dispute resolution than call editors names. Also, please give a deep read to edit warring, which is another way your account may get blocked, if you continue reverting other editors without consensus. Feel free to write back for more assistance – but stop your current line of attacks and reverting behavior immediately first. Thanks, Lourdes 13:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I won't bother. What a setup. No wonder you can't keep good editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vergangene Zeiten (talk • contribs) 17:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Vergangene Zeiten. I am sure you know your subject in very great detail and that you could have contributed a lot to Misplaced Pages should you have chosen to. However, looking at your contributions since you joined us five days ago you have come across in places rather like a Highways Engineer who knows all about the design, construction and management of our roadways, but has never driven a car before. Since getting in the driving seat you have rather managed to blindly steer the wrong way up a number of roads here, ignoring the shouts of those around you who know better how to drive and who understand the rules of those particular roads. Driving safely is a cooperative act, just as editing Misplaced Pages is. Sometimes a driver who prefers to travel on the wrong side of the road, no matter how skilled, is better off staying at home until they're able to recognise the importance of driving with courtesy and common sense. Regards from the UK Nick Moyes (talk) 20:09, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Publishing a page

Hello,

Using sandbox I've just published a page titled Zeshan Qureshi, I was wondering how long it takes for this to be viewable to the general public?

Thanks G — Preceding unsigned comment added by GarethUGTM (talk • contribs) 12:14, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. You have not yet submitted your sandbox draft for review. When you wish to do so, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:47, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

You were perhaps confusion by a recent WMF change to the software, changing "Save" to "Publish" in the wording of the button at the foot of the edit window; this doesn't publish the draft to article space, but merely saves it to the sandbox page where you created it. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:51, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I've corrected a template but the article that uses that template still shows the mistake. Why?

The article Muhammad uses the template Template:Muhammad timeline in Medina. That template has a spurious "duick" inserted (either a mistake or a piece of vandalism). I corrected the template but "duick" still shows in the template where it is used in the article. How come? Basemetal 13:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Basemetal, purging article pages helps update template changes. I've purged the page and your change is visible. Thanks, Lourdes 13:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Cara Buono Age

Alright, so on the actress Cara Buono's page her age is listed as 2016(?) but when I go to edit it, it isn't there. Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachel Linton (talk • contribs) 20:25, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I removed it. The first thing to do is sort out her actual birthday. Templates in the INFOBOX can't deal with multiple options.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:30, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Her Facebook profile says she was born on 1st March 1974, and ladies never lie about their age. nagualdesign 20:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

My wife actually heard my eyes rollNaraht (talk) 22:32, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Do I merge Talk pages in a full paste merger?

Sorry to bother you with an elementary question, but I just wanted to check: I don't merge the source Talk page into the destination Talk page when I perform a full paste merger, right? The instructions at WP:Merging say just put the "merged-to" template on the source Talk page. --Chetvorno 20:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

• Hello Chetvorno, the instructions at WP:Merging are right. You only have to place the template; you don't need to actually merge the talk pages. I guess we all have our elementary questions (including me – while we can thank people using the history link on any page, I would love to be able to thank people using the log feed; in the sense, if someone were to delete an article, I should be able to thank them using the exact log entry... but haven't found a way to do that till now :D) Have fun in the new year. Warmly, Lourdes 05:46, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate the work you guys do to answer the questions of us dunces. I know a lot of them are about information we could have found ourselves with a few clicks. Happy 2018 --Chetvorno 19:54, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Resolving Squad Error on Sligo Rovers article

Could anyone help me by resolving Benny Igiehon's display in the squad section, or if someone can verify that I am not the only one not receiving the details I had entered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CiGin (talk • contribs) 20:46, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@CiGin: The squad list was missing the closing {{fs end}}. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 21:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Is a copyrighted logo permissible for usage in a userbox provided consent has been given by the copyright holder?

I'm interested in using a copyrighted logo including texts and deigns to identify myself as a user of that search engine. There are similar userboxes such as for Google and Yahoo but none for this one. If I were to obtain consent from the copyright holder to use it for a userbox and forward proof of consent to Wikimedia, is it permissible for use in the userbox?

The image already exists on Misplaced Pages under fair use but I need some clarification on the permit to use copyrighted logos for userboxes. Is permission itself sufficient enough or is something else required? Where may I forward the consent email? To what address? Much appreciation for any assistance.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 22:10, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, NadirAli. No, I'm afraid that consent to use the image on Misplaced Pages is not enough: one of the goals of Misplaced Pages is to make all its material completely free for reuse for any purpose (requiring only that it be attributed). For reasons I don't know for sure, but I guess would be that this limits the available images too far, non-free images have been allowed in certain strictly limited circumstances. But there is no middle ground: either an image in Misplaced Pages may be reused freely, or it may not. So in order for a copyright image to be used in Misplaced Pages, the copyright owner must explicitly license it under a suitable licence which will allow anybody to reuse if for any purpose (including modifying it) as long as they attribute it properly. Owners of logos usually are not willing to do this, for understandable reasons. If the owner is willing to, they need either to upload it to Commons themselves, licensing it as they do so; or they need to follow the procedure in donating copyright materials. --ColinFine (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

To editor ColinFine: thank you for your fast response. I'm glad I inquired here first. So to sum it up, using logos, even with consent from the copyright holder is not acceptable for userboxes according to Wikimedia's terms of use, even if that specific purpose has been consented. I stated correctly?--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 03:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Userboxes#Caution about image use. nagualdesign 03:49, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

...You know, some official company logos, such as , don't meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection and are therefore public domain. You might want to search for it on Commons. If it's there, you can use it. nagualdesign 04:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

To editor Nagualdesign:, that's correct. Google's main logo consists entirely of text images, so therefor it's out of copyright protection. In fact the userbox template users may display expressing Google as their primary search engine exists as I've seen it. But I no longer use Google as my primary search engine and have mostly switched to using Ecosia. But the problem is Ecosia's logo is copyright and exists on Misplaced Pages under fair use. Being a user of that search engine, I am seeking to create a userbox expressing such, but need to be more familiar with the conditions of using copyright image, which according to the previous above messages are not to be used for userboxes, even if the copyright holder grants permission for such purpose.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 20:16, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

This user supports planting trees by using Ecosia as their primary search engine.

@NadirAli: I uploaded the central portion of the Ecosia logo to Commons (jpg/png), which doesn't meet the threshold of originality. I also took the liberty of creating a userbox for you in your user space: User:NadirAli/Userbox/Ecosia. I'll leave it to you to decide on the finished wording and colours. Be sure to add it to the appropriate category at Misplaced Pages:Userboxes when you're done, so that other people can use it. nagualdesign 19:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

December 31

What do I do if two editors are constantly fighting with each other all the time?

For a month two users have been at it. Who do I report to for this to complain and maybe get it resolved? Many Thanks! ―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 04:34, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit. I should specify this is not an edit war. The two users are always attacking each other on talk pages.―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 04:39, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Matthew J. Long, I have figured out the problem you were having. You need to report the users in question to the Administrators' noticeboard for Incidents (ANI). Thank you and good luck editing!―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 04:46, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I figured out the problem myself. Thank you for helping me figure this out, Help Desk.―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 04:46, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

prints

I have a book of old Japanese woodblock prints. Would photos of it / them be good for Misplaced Pages? Benjamin (talk) 04:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer Benjamin. You would, however, need to be very careful that in uploading such photos you were not infringing the book publisher's copyright. If the book is several centuries old, or the publisher has explicitly released it under a free licence (like Misplaced Pages itself), then you should be OK. Our page on uploading images gives more explanation on the copyright aspects and also points to guidance on how to go about uploading, if you do think it's safe. Mostly the pictures would be put on to Wikimedia Commons, that way they become available to Wikipedias for all languages and other Wikimedia sister projects: Noyster (talk), 17:36, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

• This particular situation is even more complicated than the usual copyright situation. The artist's copyright on the original prints expired 70 years after the artist's death (ro at soem other data in the past, depending on the rules in the country in which they were first "published" (i.e., made public). In many countries, a faithful 2-dimensional reproduction of a 2-dimensional work (i.e., the pictures in your book) cannot be separately copyrighted, and therefore are in the public domain, because copyright protects the creator of a creative work, and the act of faithfully copying is deemed not to be creative. Note that the book itself as a whole may still be copyrighted as a "collective work", because "selection, arrangement, and presentation" are deemed to be creative. However, this copyright does not retroactively cover the images of the original works themselves, even when you copy the images from the book. So, you have some homework to do before you can assert that your images are in the public domain. Document your homework briefly in the justification section of your upload to Wiki commons. As to your original question: yes, these images are very likely to be good for Misplaced Pages. Please include them in the appropriate articles after you upload them, assuming your homework shows that they are in fact public domain. -Arch dude (talk) 01:50, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Wiki Commons is hosted on servers located in the United States and material thereon is subject to US copyright law. My discussion of images of 2-dimensional art apply. The relevant court case is Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. -Arch dude (talk) 01:57, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Recent Page Deletion: Eurovision Song Contest 2019

I would just like to know why a page that I had been editing, was deleted. Last time I looked, it was still under debate on its talk page, and nobody had voted for its deletion. Please respond when convenient. ~~KayeL — Preceding unsigned comment added by KayeL (talk • contribs) 05:16, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@KayeL: See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Eurovision Song Contest 2019. It was deleted after a deletion discussion. --Majora (talk) 05:20, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek Juyal (talk • contribs) .

Hello Abishek Juyal. It would have helped if you had signed your question (with four tildes ~~~~) and told us which page you had the problem on. I found it was Naruto Uzumaki, and I have fixed it: you had a reference opened with </ref> instead of <ref, and closed with an incomplete tag </ref. In my opinion, the article is far too long, and has far too much detail for a fictional character..

 Done. --ColinFine (talk) 10:16, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Abhishek Juyal: See reply above. (Unfotunately to incorrect username) Eagleash (talk) 10:59, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages opening view

Good evening. When I open Misplaced Pages it is emphasised in black and to the left of the address bar is a black box. Tapping the black box once, turns it grey and more information becomes available to view.

This has only occurred within the last month. It is very inconvenient. Seems to be only occurring on my iPhone, desktops open in grey mode. How can I turn the dark mode off?

Many thanks. 2001:8003:A61F:E400:785E:E581:C179:C78F (talk) 09:36, 31 December 2017 (UTC). Ian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:A61F:E400:785E:E581:C179:C78F (talk) 09:32, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ian. No idea, I'm afraid: I don't use iPhone. Generally, for technical questions like this, WP:VPT is a better place to ask. --ColinFine (talk)

Thanks Colin. The VPT area I have trouble understanding what is being talked about! I’ll keep trying and might ask a teenager at an apple store. Regards. Ian~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.185.4.106 (talk) 23:39, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

HELP PLEASE

I am desperate there is someone who has attached themselves to my phone they are stalking me. Now either they take themselves out of my phone for good or I will contact the cyber stalking crime unit and have them investigate them and they will find you and prosecute this person. They are using Misplaced Pages and gather and several other sites to stalk me. Please remove all and anything generated from my device. Please and thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.100.201 (talk) 10:20, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Apart from the fact that you could go to an authorised service outlet and get your phone formatted, Misplaced Pages is not the place which can assist you. Thanks, Lourdes 11:53, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

How to view Special:RecentChanges for recent 2,000 changes?

In the past, I can view Special:RecentChanges for recent 2,000 changes, by changing the "limit" to 2,000 in the URL. However, for the new version of Special:RecentChanges, even I change the "limit", it still only displays recent 1,000 changes only, not 2,000 anymore. Is there any way I can view recent 2,000 changes again? --Kowlooner (talk) 11:33, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I opened Chrome, removed all the filters, used the https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=2000&days=30 link, exported the results to Excel, and it showed me exactly 2000 results. Safari kept hanging at anything above 500. Perhaps it's an issue with the browser rather than the software. Other editors may be able to fill in more comprehensively here. Thanks, Lourdes 11:49, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Now I notice the problem only exists when I keep the new URL format "hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&limit=2000&days=7&urlversion=2", but it works fine for just keeping "limit=2000&days=30" and removing all other parameters. --Kowlooner (talk) 12:42, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Qutub minar

Hey wikipedia I want to talk abput a spelling mistake in title of article qutub minar The title is given QUTB MINAR instead of QUUB MINAR PLEASE CORRECT IT AS FOLOWS.

REGARDS, USER — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.56.105.102 (talk) 12:14, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Courtesy link to Qutb Minar for any editor who knows something about Arabic orthography and can sort out the problem, if there is one. (Even I know that there's no single "official" or "recognised" system for transcribing between the Arabic and Roman scripts.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.208.241 (talk) 14:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

The languages in the name part of the header are Urdu and Hindi, even though Urdu is an extension of Persian which is an extension of Arabic, transliteration of the same letters in Urdu and Arabic to English aren't necessarily one to one.Naraht (talk) 15:52, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Blank page

What is the purpose of Special:BlankPage? --Komischn (talk) 13:06, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Help desk/Archives/2017 April 29#Special:BlankPage. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Moving article for sandbox

If a new editor needs to move an article from their sandbox to a main Misplaced Pages article, do they request a technical move?

I cannot find this information in help, FAQ, or archives. I don`t have a "Move" option.

jat (talk) 14:58, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Please, see Misplaced Pages:So_you_made_a_userspace_draft. Ruslik_Zero 16:18, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Cryptocurrency for wiki

Please put wiki some where safe . We love you guys . A decentralized crypto would give you the funding needed to continue and a decentralized protocol would keep information alive . I'd put half my portfolio in a currency like that. Food for thought — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.235.117.57 (talk) 15:30, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Assist

Hi Please call me at <redacted>. I guess I'm lost. Need help, please assist. Regards Ashish Shaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashunpradu (talk • contribs) 16:40, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@Yashunpradu: Hello, this is the 'desk' for help in editing Misplaced Pages. Do you have a question in that respect? Please do not provide contact details or other personal information. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:12, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Donating

Hello. I was trying to donate to Misplaced Pages because I saw that they were requesting donations today. But when I logged in, the notification asking me to donate had disappeared. I’m not sure this is the right place to ask, but I do want to donate to Misplaced Pages and keep it thriving. Worst Username (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Donation requests are not shown to logged-in users but you can still use the link at the right just below the Misplaced Pages logo. Ruslik_Zero 19:21, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Template:Press

At Talk:Salinator, Template:Press is used. The template ought to say, "This article has been mentioned by a media organization". But instead, on that talk page it says, "template has been mentioned by a media organization" (with no "This" and with a reference to a "template" instead of a "article").

I looked at the source code for Template:Press, and while I'm not good at reading template code, it appears to me that the only options for the beginning of that sentence are "This article" and "This page", not "template", so I don't know where that phrasing is coming from. Does anyone have any explanation for this? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Seems like the "subject" parameter (which here is reflected by "template") automatically overrides the if switch; they are both within the same curly bracket after all. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:48, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, it looks like what I needed was to remove the "subject" parameter altogether to fix the problem. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

subject = article should have worked but didn't due to a bad edit to {{Press}}. I have reverted it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:09, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Copyright question

Hello,

I would like to know if I can use a photograph from a certain webpage in a Misplaced Pages article I am writing.

The website was owned by a company that has merged with another company and been rebranded.

At the bottom of the webpage is a copyright notice that says "copyright 2000-2014". I would like to know if I can use a photo from this website because the copyright notice ends in 2014.

All of the material and photos were owned by the company that has merged.

thanks,

CartleR255 (talk) 22:30, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

The dates quoted in the copyright notice are the dates of publication, and not the date of expiry. Copyright typically expires between 50 and 100 years after the death of the author, but varies from country to country. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:16, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

January 1

Talk page cleanup

I noticed an infobox and reflist on a talk page for the ISIS article. This clearly should be deleted, but I'm not sure if I should do it myself or request administrator attention, and how exactly to do the latter should that be the correct course of action. Any help would be appreciated. Tonystewart14 (talk) 02:17, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Tonystewart14: I've added a couple of templates so that the copied infobox and its references stay within the section where it was posted. It will eventually disappear into the archives. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:20, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism of Page Description Line

I have noticed that the second line for gay.com reads 'the lair' which strikes me as possible vandalism. Ethylacetate2002 (talk) 03:12, 1 January 2018

The word "lair" appears nowhere on the page gay.com. You'll need to be more specific as to where you saw this. General Ization 04:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ethylacetate2002 and General Ization: This came from the topic's entry at Wikidata, reachable from the "Wikidata item" link under "Tools" in the left sidebar. I've changed the description to "Social networking website". -- John of Reading (talk) 08:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

URL–wikilink conflict when auto-generating a reference from a source

Hi guys, need some help. I was editing this article: Kaplinsky, and when I tried to generate a reference (don't worry, there's only 1 reference in the article) by using the in-built wikipedia generator the reference broke down. I visited the help page provided, but I just couldn't understand what was written there. Can someone check it or maybe tell me who should I contact to ask for help with this specific reference? Karl.i.biased (talk) 04:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done. It was how the name of the website was written that caused the error. I also fixed the title and how access date is written. NZFC 04:50, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Karl.i.biased (talk) 05:18, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Notifications

Hi, am not receiving notifications for mentions or edit reverts since a couple of days ago, please advise Atlantic306 (talk) 17:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Atlantic306: Did you get this notification? Check notifications are enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo. Please give examples of edits you think you should have been notified about. What is your browser, and your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:33, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

• • Hi, yes received your notification so hopefully its ok now. Browser is Safari, skin is vector, thanks for your help Atlantic306 (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Adding first "in Fiction" reference

I wrote a near-future sci-fi novella set in North Korea. The setting was chosen in large part to draw attention to the poverty facing North Koreans and is carefully researched such that the other-than-sci-fi elements relating to poverty and the life of non-elites are believed accurate.

Many articles include information about how a topic has been treated in fiction. Is it appropriate to add an "in fiction" mention of my novella in the article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Poverty_in_North_Korea ?

If so, what form would that take? I see that "in fiction" information now takes the form of a separate article at least in some cases

https://en.wikipedia.org/Black_holes_in_fiction

Thank you for your guidance.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by EricJohannsen (talk • contribs) 18:45, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Is your novel notable? Ruslik_Zero 19:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ruslik0: not yet, it's just been published. How do I measure notability and how do I determine whether the community would find it notable enough for inclusion? Is the threshold for inclusion different on a presumably less popular article "Poverty in North Korea" compared to inclusion on a highly popular article? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by EricJohannsen (talk • contribs) 19:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

You might like to read Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) for guidance on the notability of a book. Dbfirs 19:31, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Inquiry of Information or Data in Misplaced Pages Being Credible and/or Factual

According to a multitude of people I have spoken with in high school and college education institutions, information in Misplaced Pages is not acceptable to be used as a reference for research. The goes especially for writing term papers, research papers, and articles for school newspaper publication. The reason they are stating this is that they believe anyone can edit the information in Misplaced Pages even if it is not true or factual or correct.

So, please tell me how often is information fact-checked for accuracy, and who is doing the fact-checking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD00:F4D0:BC0C:644B:7B2C:573F (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages is not systematically fact-checked. Volunteer editors (i.e., anybody) may choose to fact-check. This quasi-random activity is surprising effective, making Misplaced Pages at least as reliable as other sources in almost all studies of the result. However, this is not good enough for academic work because it is not traceable to reliable sources, therefore, you cannot and should not cite Misplaced Pages directly. However, you are free to use Misplaced Pages articles to find the reliable sources on which they are supposed to be based, and then read and cite those sources. -Arch dude (talk) 21:47, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

It's like this. Misplaced Pages is written/edited by volunteers who edit what they please when they please (plus some people who are paid to edit what they edit about). "They believe anyone can edit the information in Misplaced Pages even if it is not true or factual or correct." They are entirely correct, but WP can an do have plenty of good info anyway, you just have to use it with some caution. More at Reliability of Misplaced Pages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages help forums