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Archives: May 2006 - July 2006

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  • I have already read WP:CIVIL and WP:MUSIC, so don't bother calling them to my attention.
  • However, you should give WP:OSTRICH, WP:DUH!, and WP:IAR a read!
  • If I leave you a message, please respond here or leave me a message here telling me you've replied there, and I'll do the same.

Oh dear

Read this. And try not to be so patronising in future. Marcus22 08:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

    • Might I interject for a moment? I think Marcus took this as patronizing him and therefore warned you for WP:CIVIL on your page. Personally, I think it's a misunderstanding gone awry. That's what I think, though. See my comments at the MedCab page that I'm going to make in a few moments. CQJ 22:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Successful Automobiles

Thank you for noticing. I take it you have judged one or either of us to be in violation of said rules? --matador300 23:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ryan avery

(Copying from my talk page for your convenience. -S.)

Hello! I removed your prod, as the article asserts the notability of the subject with reliable sources cited within the article, as well as on the talk page. Thank you! PT 19:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I don't feel he's noteworthy, so I have nominated the article for deletion. Please see Misplaced Pages: Articles for Deletion. Shimeru 19:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry... I might like his music but I don't think he's notable enough to be listed. —Chowbok 20:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Responded on your talk page. PT 17:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about the mixup on the Ryan Avery discussion page. I've never heard of him, and I would have to agree with the user above. --Infamous30 17:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Responded on your talk page. PT 17:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, looks like i was a bit late, but i've never heard of the guy so i probably would have voted delete or not at all. --Nathew 21:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Parsssseltongue/avery

I've moved your article Parsssseltongue/avery to User:Parsssseltongue/avery as it appears from the title that you were trying to create a user subpage. If this is not correct, then feel free to move it back to the Main name space with a more appropriate title. Thank you. — NMChico24 19:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

14 Year Old Girls

Thanks very much for the info. I hope that the page is kept, there are quite a lot of naysayers. I see you have added information to the page and made it better. Cheers Mallanox 20:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

re: Trunk Space, Modified Arts, and Paper Heart Gallery

They're all good starts. I think the article you wrote about trunk space reads more like an advertisement towards the end (the casbah has the same problem, I haven't gotten around to fixing yet). Modified arts and paper heart gallery are also good. I don't think its necessary to give links to founding members, unless if they've done something notable enough to deserve their own articles on wikipedia.

Keep on contributing! RiseRobotRise 23:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Nintendocore

Thanks for the notification on 14 Year Old Girls, but I've only just checked my account and the discussion has expired. I would have said "keep"...

Falcolombardi87 19:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the Quit pop-punk article

I am new to Wiki, and I do not understand why "Quit" pop-punk band site was deleted? What do I need to do to have it posted. They were a major pioneer for pop-punk music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by aefelds (talk • contribs)

Your message

You left a note on my talk page about AGF and NPA. Who are you? Eusebeus 17:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for clarifying (it's usually a good idea to provide links to the issues in question when you leave a message). While you are certainly entitled to point users to ongoing discussions that you think may be of interest, it is not often considered a good idea since it smacks of vote solicitation, aka meat puppetry. Hope this helps. Eusebeus 19:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

AfD help

Please check out IIM and lend a vote! --Ephilei 04:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I understand. The conversation really exploded after I voted. Don't feel compelled! I'm leaving it to whatever poor admin has to sort through it. --Ephilei 21:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Antiseen

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the band, I was just checking proposed deletions for over-zealousness and it was easy to google Antiseen and see they could establish notability, so I removed the prod. Catchpole 21:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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Friends

Hi, I removed the errors and inconsistencies section from the Friends article b/c the article is way too long (it still was even after i removed it) and because the list is pretty unencyclopedic. I announced I was going to move it on the talk page and noone seemed to have any objections. Could you explain your reasoning for readding it there? Thanks GrahameS 03:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Well if it gets deleted that probably means it shouldn't be on WP. As I said above, I really think it doesn't belong in the Friends article, the other sections have priority. GrahameS 03:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Ryan Avery

The Misplaced Pages article on this subject was mentioned here, so I was trying to find the template for when an article is referenced in the media to put on the talk page. Also, this has opened the article up for vandalism, and I was wondering if it could be put under protection. PT 17:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Just put the following on the talk page: {{High-traffic|date=Examplemonth 1, 2006|url=http://example.com|site=Site Title}}. GeorgeMoney (talk) 18:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

P-P-P-Powerbook Afd

Hi there, thanks for being an admin. I just wanted to ask if you could clarify your closure of the most recent P-P-P-Powerbook Afd. In particular, why you considered it a bad faith nomination, and why you invoked WP:SNOW when the discussion was leaning towards delete. While I agree that articles should not be re-nomed too soon, I'm not sure if 40 or so days is brief enough a period. What do you think the appropriate amount of time should be? Thanks for any clarification Bwithh 00:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

You closed this AFD with the statement: "The result was speedy keep due to bad faith nom, WP:SNOW, and an AfD determining keep a mere month ago". I strongly disagree with this. Come on, WP:SNOW? The consensus was heading steadily for delete... Anyway, since Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/P-P-P-Powerbook (4th nomination) already existed, I'm just going to move the comments from "3rd nomination" (which was created unnecessarily by FrancisTyers) into the fourth one. Punkmorten 06:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I noticed you had already answered on a message about this. A 30-day time span between nominations is no good reason to close though, when the majority calls delete.
On another note, I am now looking at your closing of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Womyn, where you again stated "speedy keep due to bad faith nom and WP:SNOW". Please assume that others are trying to help Misplaced Pages rather than harm it, unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. Punkmorten 07:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Sheepstealer clothing

There seem to be several problems with your closing of this AFD: you accused the user of a bad faith nom in breach of WP:AGF, stated there was not a reason when there was (WP:NOT), and closed it as Speedy Keep when it did not fit the criteria. As it does no harm, I would recommend leaving the AFD open when there is any doubt. Cheers, Yomangani 22:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOT#Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox is an official policy and it would seem a valid reason when reading it in the context of the article (certainly a clearer reference to policy than the ubiquitous "nn"). Yomangani 23:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Yep, there are occasional noms like that but they don't really do any harm by staying on AFD for a while. Please read WP:SK as well - you'll see it should only be speedily kept in a case like this when it is "clear-cut vandalism and nobody disputes this or recommends deleting it anyway". I'd say they are suspicious but not clear-cut. Cheers, Yomangani 23:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Wells

Ahhh, that's what that was about. :) No problem. Luna Santin 21:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

AfD closure

Hi, I'm not sure if your closure of the Powerbook AfD was appropriate for a number of reasons: per the Deletion process for non-admins

"Non-administrators may only close decisions which are unambiguous "keep" decisions. Close calls and controversial or ambiguous decisions should be left to an administrator."
"Closing discussions in which you have offered an opinion presents a conflict of interest and should be generally avoided"

Given that this AfD is over a point beyond a simple consensus (see Misplaced Pages:Deletion guidelines for administrators, specifically "Note also that the three key policies, which warrant that articles and information be verifiable, avoid being original research, and be written from a neutral point of view are held to be non-negotiable and cannot be superseded by any other guidelines or by editors' consensus. A closing admin must determine whether any article violates such policies, and where it is impossible that an article on any topic can exist without breaching these three policies, such policies must again be respected above other opinions.") it seems like a much better idea to leave this one for an admin to work out. Regards, Ziggurat 23:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Seconded. Just came to say same. –Outriggr § 23:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
    • responded on z's talk page PT 23:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
      • (In reply to your message on my talk page) Given that a couple of people have suggested that this is not a clear decision, if you're confident that an admin would say the same thing I don't think it would hurt to let one of them close it this time. As I note, there are AfD conditions that can (and do) override consensus or lack thereof, so the fact that there isn't consensus on this one may be irrelevant. Ziggurat 23:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
        • I am here to express the same point for the early closure by a non-admin of my renomination to delete the article Strata (band) on grounds of Misplaced Pages policy WP:MUSIC (you say you've read it, but you must not think its important) which gives the standard for notability for music groups. This renomination is in keeping with Misplaced Pages policies Misplaced Pages:Deletion_policy#Renominations_and_recurring_candidates and elsewhere. It seems that a lot of people are in agreement that you are making improper choices in how you have approached the situation. Furthermore your comment about it being so soon for any change in consensus seems to have missed that there was NO CONSENSUS. Under Misplaced Pages deletion policy it states "The most common reason for a repeat nomination is that there was marked lack of discussion or lack of consensus in the original decision and the second vote is required to clarify opinion." This is what I am trying to achieve! An actual consensus. Furthermore, my arguments for deletion are strictly in keeping with Misplaced Pages's policies regarding Notability, etc etc. And finally, you ask that more time elapses before further debate leading to consenses (consensus...NOT a new consensus) can be made. No changes to the page can be made that will bring the band into notability. WP:IAR is being used in bad faith if you use it to hijack wikipedia into some inclusionist pit of articles that do not meet all applicable policies Green hornet 02:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

You're not an admin?

Is that correct? You're not an admin? why are you closing controversial or no consensus afd discussions?Bwithh 23:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Don't know why you're asking questions to answers you already know, unless you're trying to make some point. My userpage will tell you everything you need to know. PT 23:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I wasn't making a point. I was confirming that you weren't being ironic Bwithh 23:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
      • You made an edit to your question since (or simultaenously with) my response, sorry for the confusion. YES, I am NOT an admin. Not sure what "irony" you speak of. PT 23:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
    • How come you didn't clarify you weren't an admin when I assumed you were such here?. I'm trying to assume good faith. Bwithh 23:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
      • I did clarify. Not on your talkpage, on this one, where you left the message. And when you said "thanks for being an admin," I took that as an endorsement of my boldness. "Being an admin," in my estimation, to mean acting like an admin even if I'm not. For clarification, I've put some info about my ideas on this on my userpage. Sorry to act uncivil a moment ago, I didn't take notice of who was leaving me the message. No offense to you intended, none taken by me. PT 23:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
        • You "clarified" 17 hours after your intial reply to my initial message in response to someone else. And this was before you added the "not an admin" info to your user page. You can't use WP:IAR do to whatever you like (even if you were an admin). And sorry, but I have trouble believing that someone can naturally assume the phrase "Thanks for being an admin" is a compliment for acting like an admin when they're not. Bwithh 23:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
          • I am sorry if you feel slighted somehow. But I am not interested in a debate about this any longer. In regards to you, it was an honest misunderstanding. In regards to my actions, I stand by them. PT 23:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've requested that an admin take a look at these closures, just to make sure that they're valid. Regards, Ziggurat 23:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Post ANI thread

Hi. I've reviewed the close of the powerbook article and as a result deleted it. I said this elsewhere, but I'll say it again here: I don't find too much fault with you closing this. Here are the problems I have with it:

  • I to some degree share your concern with multiple nominations, but it's not appropiate to make editorial comments in the close. It doesn't matter if it's "keep all schools" or "no quick/repeat nominations." When closing you are meant to be channeling the spirit of Misplaced Pages, so try and only say things that are established as consensus/policy/etc.
  • You took part in the discussion. Only a little bit, but a closer should be above reproach as much as possible.
  • Finally, the only real bone of contention is that you made the wrong decision. Proper sources are one of the biggest problems facing the encyclopedia, and we have to uphold freedom from bias by using good sources.

The other close was a total cock-up, but that's fine too. Everyone makes them. So, if you find yourself thinking about closing something "other than unanimous" again, feel free to tell everyone I told you it was ok. Yeah, it's against what's written down. Yeah, if you ever do seek promotion it might go against you. Yeah, lots of people will disagree with me. But you really can't stuff things up too badly. And in the event that you go from thinking about making a close like that to actually closing, feel free to drop a note on mytalk and I'll look it over again. Who knows, next time I might agree with you! brenneman 01:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

AGF

Regardless of the decisions regrading your recent closes, can I ask you to stop using the phrase "bad faith nom" in your closures - it is completely contrary to WP:AGF and AFD is enough of a bearpit without accusations of bad faith. Thanks, Yomangani 00:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed your vandalism tag from User talk:Soor. You should try to be more careful in this and assume good faith absent strong counterevidence. Your efforts, although probably well-intended, have been fairly disruptive as of late. ~ trialsanderrors 21:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Your recent assumption of bad faith regarding me is very uncalled for and wildly unhelpful. I put a lot of time into that nomination, and your response is largely ad hominem. I think you need to cool it. Dmcdevit·t 00:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Andrew Jackson Jihad

I strongly reccommend that you start work improving the article soon - deleted articles hanging around in userspace without anything being done to them is generally frowned upon. Don't move it to the main namespace until you are certain that the issues raised in the AfD have been addressed, otherwise it is liable to be deleted again, possibly speedily, and admins will need more convincing to userfy again. Thryduulf 15:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

    • DON'T YELL AT ME!!! Just because you make claims on the Talk page doesn't mean they're true. What "major award" did they win? What genre are they a major representative of? How many albums have they produced? User:Zoe|(talk) 23:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • This is spooky. I got your message just as I was looking at this AfD. I don't know what the old article looked like, but the current version seems to meet WP:MUSIC. - Lex 00:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I don't know enough about the band and I do not see enough in the article to help with a firm decision. Afraid I can't help either way. Sorry! Messwemade 00:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Please moderate your tone, including refraining from being sarcastic and incivil, and making baseless accusations. For some examples (but not an exhaustive list), I suggest you review this conversation, your comments on Dmcdevit's talk page, and your comments on DRV. Your tone is not conducive to resolving disagreements in a reasonable, collegiate fashion. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I DON'T WANT TO and I'm not entirely sure what position you are in to communicate in such an authoritative tone to me. PT 20:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
    To be blunt, you have to if you wish to continue contributing to this project, and I am in a position to use such a tone because I can and will block you if and when your incivility becomes disruptive. This is not meant as a threat, but simply to reinforce the point that you cannot continue to act in this fashion.
    This project aims for a collegial atmosphere where disputes are discussed reasonably, not a Usenet-style pit of useless flamewars. Please bear this in mind, and refrain from being sarcastic, making snide remarks, making baseless accusations, and generally being incivil. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
    I feel I am merely asserting my points, and I think the real slight against this project is those actively attempting (in bad faith) to PROD, AfD, and speedily delete perfectly acceptable articles that were written in good faith. I think I am out of venom, for now, though, if that makes you feel better. PT 20:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

You've accused a number of people of bad faith with no evidence of such other than the fact that they disagree with you about whether a given article is appropriate for this project. (for example, this). Plus, you're being sarcastic when I'm asking you to tone it down. Please moderate your tone further. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I can assure you, I'm not being sarcastic. This day has seriously drained me, I will probably end up being civil, not because of you at all, but because I don't have it within me anymore to be incivil. And again, I don't appreciate you taking the tone of a headmaster with me, so I ask you to tone that down. PT 20:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Again, please don't spam userpages about ongoing AFDs. A more-appropriate venue to bring up the subject is at the music WikiProject's noticeboard. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Civility

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! —Malber (talk • contribs) 18:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

"non-music fans"

PT, I really think you need to step back from the supposed division between fans and non-fans that you are claiming to see. I've been a music fan for literally decades, and I listen to a lot of obscure indie-rock among other things, but that doesn't mean I am not allowed to have opinions varying from yours on how to interpret WP:MUSIC. Just because you state (over and over and over) that the Phoenix Times and ASU paper are reliable sources doesn't make it so, and the implicit attitude (we'll all idiots, and not true music fans) is extremely patronizing and goes against WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. I appreciate your wanting to defend a band you like, but please don't see conspiracy where there is none, and stop insulting other editors. Part of WP:AGF is listening to consensus. thanks. bikeable (talk) 18:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally... part of the problem is the phenomenal number of "bands" that put up a wikipedia page before they've picked up an instrument. Have you ever done new page patrol, and tagged band after band for speedy deletion? It's seriously depressing, and accounts for some of the stringency with which people like me see the requirements. I think part of the solution is to make it much harder to create new pages on wikipedia -- not to assume that scientists don't know anything about music. But that is probably a losing battle.  :-p bikeable (talk) 19:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

heartattaCK afd

I voted and said my piece. This should definitely be a keep. I haven't had much time for the wikipedia lately, but I'd like to look more closely at the article to see if I can help in the next week or so. Good luck.CDaniel 21:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions

Hello Parsssselltounge, I voted keep on the heartattaCK afd page. I appreciate your enthusiasm for various indie/punk/underground bands, and admire your boldness for keeping when it comes to afd discussions, however I do think its necessary to maintain civility during these discussions, but again I do admire your boldness and enthusiasm for building, maintaining, and keeping these articles on wikipedia.

I am more than willing to assist you on supporting your thesis on afd topics if you need me to. It seems that too often than not, editors who know little about music tend to poke around on afd discussions and decide to add a vote for deletion or nominate an article for deletion without doing any level of research on the subject, or very little research at all. I do share your animosity when it comes to these editors and I think it is up to a devoted few to make sure that these articles remain intact.

I'm also wondering if you can help out with a few articles that I feel need reworking or revision, these articles include, gogogo airheart, and Justin_Pearson. I'm also wondering if you want to collaborate on a possible article on the famous zine Book Your Own Fucking Life, if your familiar with that at all. I have a few resources to get it started, but not really a whole lot of time to compile sources and write a full article. Maybe when this whole heartattack discussion clears up, we can both work on it.

Anyways, thanks for your time, and please write me back. I'd appreciate any thoughts and ideas you may have on regarding my message. RiseRobotRise 08:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reasons:

Autoblock of 204.17.31.126 lifted.

Request handled by:  Netsnipe  ►  18:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the un-block... unfortunately, it is still not working!

{{unblock-auto|204.17.31.126|Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Sarvagnya". The reason given for Sarvagnya's block is: "excessive fighting/arguing with User:Mahawiki".}}


Huh. I can't find any current autoblocks listed under that name or IP -- have you tried a forced reload to clear your browser's cache? (shit or control plus reload, in most browsers). Or, by chance, is the autoblock under a different name or administrator, now? Try editing the sandbox, just to be sure. I'll check back once I'm off work, I hope things are cleared up by then. Sorry for the trouble. Luna Santin 20:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I commented out your unblock request to make the category less congested ST47Talk 23:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

AFD

I'll have a look once the nom is written, but since it was closed with no concensus there isn't actually a prohibition on renominating it (although I'm not pleased by it) Yomangani 00:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk page spamming

Please stop spamming talk pages. It's considered canvassing, and is frowned upon. Thanks. --Mr. Lefty (talk) 00:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Andrew Jackson Jihad

Hello. I'm not sure how I can comment here, as I know nothing about the article. May I ask why you contacted me? Thanks. —Xyrael / 20:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)