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President of Kenya

Hi. I see you protected the Uhuru Kenyatta page. Could you do the same for the President of Kenya? There's been some vandalism in the last 2 days thanks to political events in Kenya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masgwembe (talk • contribs) 17:39, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

O Canada

Please correct the error in O Canada. The new version is not the national anthem until the Governor General signs it and that has not been done. I can find NO sources, much less reliable sources that supports the current Misplaced Pages version. There is consensus for what I am saying in the talk page.

I know there is a Misplaced Pages joke that the protected version is the wrong version but, in this case, it is clearly an ERROR. So either unprotect it or change the lyrics to the old version, which is still the official version. Thank you. Vanguard10 (talk) 05:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2018).

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• An RfC has closed with a consensus that candidates at WP:RFA must disclose whether they have ever edited for pay and that administrators may never use administrative tools as part of any paid editing activity, except when they are acting as a Wikipedian-in-Residence or when the payment is made by the Wikimedia Foundation or an affiliate of the WMF.
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Technical news

• A tag will now be automatically applied to edits that blank a page, turn a page into a redirect, remove/replace almost all content in a page, undo an edit, or rollback an edit. These edits were previously denoted solely by automatic edit summaries.

Arbitration

• The Arbitration Committee has enacted a change to the discretionary sanctions procedure which requires administrators to add a standardized editnotice when placing page restrictions. Editors cannot be sanctioned for violations of page restrictions if this editnotice was not in place at the time of the violation.

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212.186.7.98

• 212.186.7.98 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

Hi SarekOfVulcan. I just wanted to let you know that as soon as your block expired, this IP has continued the same disruptive behavior which led to the original block. Mz7 (talk) 19:07, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

You blocked me!

You blocked me for no reason at all! With zero warnings! If you do not give a warning then that means that you are abusing your power. You have no right to be an admin! I am reporting you! PaulG524 (talk) 16:59, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

You might want to look into the concept of WP:BOOMERANGs before you do that. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:01, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

@PaulG524: You realize we can see the history of your talk page, right? --NeilN 17:03, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

-That's irrelevent. Admins are required to give a warning. You on the otherhand did NOT give any warnings. That is a violation of adminship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulG524 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

WP:BEFOREBLOCK -- administrators should ensure that users who are acting in good faith are aware of policies and are given reasonable opportunity to adjust their behavior before blocking. That's what these were.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:24, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

@PaulG524: No policy states the blocking admin is required to warn before blocking. I strongly suggest you get back to editing (keeping all the warnings you've gotten in mind) before someone decides your disruption is outweighing your contributions. --NeilN 17:26, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

-Yes there is. There are a total of 4 warnings. You claim to know so much about wikipedia's policies. But you are the same guy who was accused of being a racist. You are not a good admin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulG524 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Never said I was one. :-) Are you going to report me, or just keep on with the personal attacks here? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:36, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

• Looking at the edit from before you erased all the warnings off your talk page, I can see that you were warned for nonconstructive editing, POV pushing, adding unsourced content, disruptive editing, edit warring and making personal attacks against other editors (namely me, though I warned you at Acroterion's talk about a personal attack made against him). Now you're making more personal attacks here, and making false claims about WP policy (which admins and experienced editors know far better than you) as well as your own history with warnings. I'd like to direct you to a couple of articles we have for folks like you: WP:NOTHERE, WP:BATTLE and WP:CIR. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:45, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

February 2018

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on L.L. Bean. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. ContentEditman (talk) 22:28, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I really should have put money down on how quickly you were going to post this here, but I don't think anyone would have bet against me. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

requesting advise on block

Dear SarekOfVulcan (nice name!),

I have tried adding text to an article about a very interesting topic in physics (I'm a university physics professor). There were recently two papers published in a very reputable physics journal (Physics Review) on the subject and I thought it worth updating the Misplaced Pages article on that subject. When I made the edit, another editor nearly immediately jumped in a deleted my edit, saying that "Original research is not appropriate for inclusion in either article space or talk space" By looking for the term "original research" on Misplaced Pages I came to understand this to mean unpublished work. Of course, this was not unpublished. When I tried using the talk page of the article to help the other editor understand the error, I received no response for a couple of days. So I rewrote my edit, emphasizing that I was reporting on two articles recently published in Phys Rev. Again the editor deleted my edit but did not justify the action, rather chided me for reposting. My attempt to engage on the article's talk page went unanswered again, so I tried the other editor's talk page, but received a rebuke there as well.

Here is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/Aharonov–Bohm_effect

You can see some of what happened on the last section of the talk page ("Latest information on the A-B effect").

You can see a second editor added a brief note affirming the same (incorrect) assertion about "original research". This second editor has also not responded to my attempts to engage.

Finally there is a note from the first editor that "practice is" not to discuss recently published papers. Obviously, this is not a substantive response to my post. And it would surprise me that this is really "practice", because it would consign Misplaced Pages to old topics.

So I am left befuddled. I believe that my attempted edit is entirely proper and unobjectionable, but my attempt to help the other editor see this has not met with any sort of substantive conversation.

I'm new to Misplaced Pages and have not figured out how to resolve this. I am certain that anyone who reads that article would want to know about the two new papers directly related to the subject. I would be happy to learn how to proceed.

Best regards, Murraydaw (talk) 14:41, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Just pinging you again on Feb 21, hoping that this will make it to your email, and that you'll be able to take time to help out. Murraydaw (talk) 22:21, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think I'll be able to help you with this. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you anyway. Who would you suggest that I go to for help? Murraydaw (talk) 22:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Physics? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you give me a personal recommendation of someone you know who is reasonable?Murraydaw (talk) 22:21, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

If we were reasonable, we wouldn't be editing here. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:35, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

• @Murraydaw and SarekOfVulcan:

I've had this page on my watchlist for a bit (I don't remember why offhand) and I happened to notice this and take a look at it. Murray is completely right, here. The other two users are accusing them without cause of having a COI with the material, and claiming the material is unpublished, or is merely to be published in the future. It took me ten seconds of googling to find this, and the entire source is available here. It looks to me like the other two read the text added (which is not quite up to our usual standards in physics topics) and just assumed this was some crank pushing a pet theory. I'm posting on the talk page and restoring the reverted material. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:38, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, MPants. I didn't like what I was seeing, but didn't feel comfortable getting involved there. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I have never before heard of nor encountered this "100 cites" practice. I understand that it's normal not to put cutting-edge research in our articles, but that's more a matter of wikivoice vs source voice. A paper that makes it through peer-review can certainly be cited for its own claims. I reworded the addition to provide attribution and commented at talk, though the issue of whether mention of this is WP:DUE is an open one. We'll see how it goes. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:08, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Changes on DeMolay international Article

Hi @SarekOfVulcan, I would like to understand why you reverted my changes on page DeMolay International. I understand that English is my second language, but the text was not so bad or worse than it’s right now (with a main text plus two sections named Overview, no Info Template on the article and the section Values being underrated). Also you can check the “Talk” part of the article and see that a lot of users asked to improve the article. Also, you said that the page problably has Copyrights problem. I can confirm you that I didn’t copy a text without referring to the author. I completed the page with informations that were on the Wiki in Portuguese, the book Hi Dad!, my experience as a member for 5 years as an active member and 2 years as senior DeMolay and member of a Advisory Council. I visit recently DeMoly in Germany, and I could see that not only possible candidates but also Masonic Lodges don’t have a good place to search for information about DeMolay, which doesn’t helps DeMolay to grow here. With this situation in mind, I would like to understand why the changes I made were reverted, and if it is the case, discuss possibilities to solve problems on my changes.

Arthurhosang (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2018 (C)

I'm not ignoring you, I just don't have the time to properly answer you. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Post deletion

If someone adds a comment after a closed AfD and you don't think it's appropriate, you should move it to the AfD's talk page (every AfD has one), not just delete it. It's less likely to be noticed there than where it was placed, of course, but there's no call to expunge it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:17, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

RfC on inclusion of Matt Lauer content

Hi,

You previously participated in the inclusion of Matt Lauer content in the Noah Oppenheim article. There is an RfC on the matter, with a vote, and I am notifying everyone involved.

Talk:Noah_Oppenheim#RfC_on_inclusion_of_Matt_Lauer_content

As I have disclosed before, I am a paid consultant to NBC News so am not voting on the matter.

Thanks,

EdBC1278 (talk) 18:49, 22 February 2018 (UTC)BC1278

Help with TBAN

Please remove the external link for article Joey Gibson (political activist). It's too close to my TBAN for me to do it. Thanks and if you open the link, you will see why. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 15:25, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Um, yeah. Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:35, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I think this is the correct link -C. W. Gilmore (talk) 15:40, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not going to add that one - I see no need to help provide free advertising. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:41, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2018).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• The autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) is scheduled to end on 14 March 2018. The results of the research collected can be read on Meta Wiki.
• Community ban discussions must now stay open for at least 24 hours prior to being closed.
• A change to the administrator inactivity policy has been proposed. Under the proposal, if an administrator has not used their admin tools for a period of five years and is subsequently desysopped for inactivity, the administrator would have to file a new RfA in order to regain the tools.
• A change to the banning policy has been proposed which would specify conditions under which a repeat sockmaster may be considered de facto banned, reducing the need to start a community ban discussion for these users.

Technical news

• CheckUsers are now able to view private data such as IP addresses from the edit filter log, e.g. when the filter prevents a user from creating an account. Previously, this information was unavailable to CheckUsers because access to it could not be logged.
• The edit filter has a new feature contains_all that edit filter managers may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string.

Miscellaneous

• Following the 2018 Steward elections, the following users are our new stewards: -revi, Green Giant, Rxy, There'sNoTime, علاء.

Obituaries

• Bhadani (Gangadhar Bhadani) passed away on 8 February 2018. Bhadani joined Misplaced Pages in March 2005 and became an administrator in September 2005. While he was active, Bhadani was regarded as one of the most prolific Wikipedians from India.

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Revdel??

Really? I have doubts over your capabilities, but this really tops it. The actual point was to show people what disruptive edit summaries look like in quick succession. Unbelievable. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

In other words, "Hey, I'm making these disruptive edits that will mess with everyone, but that's ok, because there's a really good reason!" It's not like we didn't already know what it looked like, considering your first time was the second time it had been pasted into the thread... --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:28, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

No, in other words "hey, I'm making these edits to demonstrate what a complete fuck up this decision is". You messed up yet again, the point was to show what disruptive editors (you might know them as "vandals") could do to watchlists etc. People are completely unaware of this change (me included) so it needs demonstration. But you messed up and rev-del'd it (which was an abuse of your position given you knew what was trying to be achieved). Oh well, the clock's ticking for you now. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

I think you'd better stop now, you're in danger of having a whole bunch of people looking to see you removed from your position. Deliberately obfuscating a clear problem that needs open discussion is disruptive and you should stop with immediate effect. You are abusing your position and abusing the tools you have to hide a serious issue that needs resolution immediately, not sweeping under the carpet. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:39, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)You'll notice I didn't revdel Davey or Iridescent. They did it once and stopped. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:41, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, SarekOfVulcan. --Deskana (talk) 20:40, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thank you SarekOfVulcan for clearly obfuscating a problem that clearly has been introduced without correct disclosure. Thanks again. Just what we expected. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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