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I see that you haven't done a lot of editing over the years, so a warm welcome seems appropriate at last. It's very gratifying to see you working on the Bangladesh upazila articles, which could use all the help they can get! I look forward to seeing you around. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

SM Sultan

It was done automatically by the software, rather than being a change that I intentionally applied. Looking over what happened, though, I believe the problem was that you were using the <ref name=german><!-- Gloss by itself --></ref> format in the article body. That doesn't work as intended, unfortunately — a gloss can't be split off from the reference content in that manner so that it's standing alone as the only content nested inside a particular invocation of the ref tags, but rather has to be directly next to the actual content of the reference it's glossing.

So in this particular case, if the gloss is necessary for one particular invocation of the reference but not applicable to others, it might be necessary to create a separate ref=german2 citation for the content that needs to be specifically glossed as "supports solo", citing the specific page number in the source that "supports solo" instead of the entire page range of ref=german, so that the gloss can be left in the references list alongside the content of that particular citation.

Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat (talk) 15:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Up for a challenge? Yes!

Hi Worldbruce,

Yes, I'd be interested in improving the article about the luthier Brian Lisus. I do need help getting hold of the sources. I've already searched and there isn't much. Please send me what you have. I'm not sure how to use sources that you have to subscribe to read. I avoided them when I wrote the Schenkman article.

My husband used to work for a violin maker and I'll ask him if he has any ideas for this project.

RoseSong — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoseSong (talk • contribs) 03:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Bugwah, Bangladesh

This is an old post office location, found in P.D. Allen's list, at http://worldpostmarks.net/HTML Countries/IndiaandStates.htm

Rajshahi division may have been superceded; on maps it appears to be almost due east of Rangpur.

http://geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-3770753&fid=548&c=bangladesh Latitude in decimal degrees : 25.716667 Longitude in decimal degrees : 89.716667

"The information regarding Bugwah in Bangladesh on this page is published from the data supplied by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, a member of the Intelligence community of the United States of America, and a Department of Defense (DoD) Combat Support Agency."

They then print this disclaimer: "No claims are made regarding the accuracy of Bugwah information contained here."Fconaway (talk) 02:06, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

@Fconaway: Thanks! With that additional information I found that the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency records "Bugwah" as a variant of "Bagua, Anantapur", which is a village in Hatia Union, Ulipur Upazila, Kurigram District, Rangpur Division, Bangladesh, very close to the coordinates in the article. Anantapur appears on the upazila maps, and appears on Google maps as Onantapur.

Bagua, Anantapur is quite small, so I'm not sure that it is the same as the early Indian post office using killer cancel 158. There are at least five other Baguas in what is now Bangladesh, some of which seem more likely candidates for a match. Our local philatelic library has a copy of Jal Cooper's Early Indian Cancellations, so I'll check that as soon as I get a chance. Worldbruce (talk) 18:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Good progress! Jal Cooper's Early Indian Cancellations may not have what you are looking for. The latest word on this is Denis R. Martin, Numbers in Early Indian Cancellations, 1855-1884. I would look it up, but my copy is in storage. I hope your library has it. Remember, it must be specifically the B/158 in the Bengal Octagon, or "Bengal spiderweb": that is Renouf's Type , which would also be Cooper's Type 7. Renouf, the pioneer, listed this as Bugwah.Fconaway (talk) 02:06, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Here is a scan of a letter cancelled B/158, dated 29 September 1869. It was back-stamped "Traveling P. O. Bengal"; it may have been carried by a river steamer. This appeared in a Feldman auction lot in Sept 2013.Fconaway (talk) 00:22, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

@Fconaway: Intriguing. I don't actually see a scan ... am I missing a link?

SICPA submission

Hi Worldbruce. First let me thank you for taking the time to read and comment on my SICPA article. I am very aware of the conflict of interest issues and extremely keen not to fall foul of the rules. I'd just like to ask two favours from you.

The first is just a bit of clarification. You say that links to organisations that SICPA has a relationship with are not so good but I thought that close connections with organisations like the World Bank and Interpol - given the industry that SICPA is in - would be relevant. The problem is finding independnet references that aren't directly from those organisation's websites. Is it still best to simply remove this?

Secondly, would you be happy to review my next draft? And, if so, what is the best process to go about this?

Again, many thanks for your help. IainIainplunkett (talk) 09:31, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

@Iainplunkett: Misplaced Pages doesn't prohibit the use of non-independent sources like the press releases from the World Bank and Interpol, but the bulk of any article has to come from independent sources. To get the draft into article space it must clear the hurdles of notability and neutrality. Press releases don't help because they can't prove notability and don't present an unbiased view. In practice, they can hurt; one reference a reviewer doesn't like can sour their view and result in a declined submission. I would keep such sources only if they support unique information vital to an understanding of the range of the company's operations.

The best references are books or journal articles written by academics and published by academic presses, for example . Next best are journalistic sources from reputable newspapers or magazines, such as . The latter is not an in-depth source, but contains some choice nuggets, like "The ink for more than 80 percent of the world's currency, including the dollar, comes from Sicpa S.A."

Take your time improving the draft. When it's as good as you can make it, resubmit it using the blue button in the big pink box on the draft. Odds are another volunteer will review it. They may give you different feedback, which can be frustrating, but they may have different strengths than I do. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Daisygrinders Page

Hi Worldbruce. I hope I am in the right forum to ask you a brief question. You reviewed my article on The Daisygrinders and advised that it did not meet the terms of notoriety. I amended that article and included web and text references as per the Misplaced Pages guidelines for citing notoriety. I thought that i had resubmitted the article for further consideration, but I am yet to receive any advice about whether it now meets the stringent requirements for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. Could you possibly spare me a moment to let me know whether I can resubmit my article based on the new information I have provided? Will it meet the criteria or is there something else I am missing to publish my article. Many thanks. Drew Drewzab (talk) 10:31, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

@Drewzab: I won't review Draft:The Daisygrinders now for a couple reasons. First, there's a six-week backlog of drafts awaiting review at Articles for Creation, and asking at a reviewer's talk page isn't a shortcut around that. The only way to know for sure whether your revisions are sufficient is to resubmit it using the blue button in the big pink box at the top of it, and wait for a reviewer to get to it. Second, when I've declined a draft, I don't review it again in AfC if it's resubmitted. This policy gives authors the benefit of a fresh look by a reviewer who may have different strengths.

At a glance, I can see that the draft doesn't cite sources that are obviously reliable. Obviously reliable sources would be things like a book from Oxford University Press, or features in The New York Times and Rolling Stone. There are also some red flags. Discogs is user-generated, so it is not a reliable source. Blogs are usually self-published, so are not reliable sources. YouTube is often problematic either because the material does not constitute a reliable source or because it's a copyright violation of a reliable source.

Reviewers also will be vexed by the draft's formatting problems. They aren't supposed to turn a draft down for that reason alone, but why risk it? Dalton and one other reference are more-or-less correctly formatted within ref tags. One, http://www.stanleyrecords.com.au/adam-young/, is a bare URL in the text. Eight more are partly formatted, and within ref tags, but instead of being placed immediately after the text they support, they're all down at the bottom of the editor. There are also bare Misplaced Pages URLs scattered throughout the text that need to be turned into internal links. The formatting of sections and of the discography list are incorrect.

What to do? I've left a belated welcome note on your talk page that contains many links you'll find useful if you want to edit Misplaced Pages. Some highly relevant to this specific draft are:

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Anyone can edit Misplaced Pages, but it isn't necessarily easy. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:58, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

@Worldbruce: Many thanks for the advice. Obviously I have a bit more homework to do. I will review your suggestions and then resubmit. Thanks again.

Drewzab (talk) 05:24, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Dead link on the VidAmerica page

Hi. This link on VidAmerica is dead for some reason. Can you re-upload it please? 110.34.81.71 (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

I can't re-upload it, because I no longer have access to newspaperarchive.com. It may, as the error message says, be a temporary condition. If not, you could get an account with them so that you could clip the article yourself. Or you could do nothing. It's only a convenience link to a resource that is also available on paper. It doesn't matter if the link is dead, there's no requirement that the source be available online. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

So, can you re-upload it on Scribd.com pr something? 1.227.241.243 (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

No. As I said, I don't have access to newspaperarchive.com. Even if I did, uploading material copied from it would be a violation of copyright and of their terms of service. If you want access to newspaperarchive.com, get your own access. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:03, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Dhaka

Hello, again. Thought I'd continue this on your page. After further research, I was able to find some maps showing the defined municipal limits of the north and south Dhaka city corporations:

Map 1

Map 2

These probably don't include the recent incorporation of more land and suburbs into the city corporations, but they at least show the thanas and upazilas. I guess my final question is how the Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area (seen in the second map) is defined? Are the building blocks for this upazilas/thanas or something else? If it's upazilas/thans, exactly which ones outside the city corporation are included in this statistical metropolitan area? It seems that the Greater Dhaka page includes this Dhaka Metropolitan Area and then many, many other upazilas/thanas and municipal corporations. I know see that the term "Dhaka City" actually refers to the "Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area" as opposed to the incorporated city, which is how we'd define "city" here in the United States. I'd like us to nail down the area and most recent census population numbers for: Dhaka City Corporation (north and south) and Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area, and then on the city's page to be clear throughout the article what we're talking about when we mention "Dhaka" or "city." I might even look into "Greater Dhaka," but that doesn't seem to be an officially defined area, and we'd have to figure out which upazilas (and which parts when the it's only part of them) are included. For that, we'd have to delve down into a level even below upazilas, which I guess are union parishads.

Thanks! --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

A noble quest, Criticalthinker. I have more than a gigabyte of 2011 census data from the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. Give me a few days to poke through their reports and see what answers I can come up with. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:58, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for this. I have one additional question that I thought you might have the answer to. In the city and municipal corporations, are wards a subdivision of the upazilas/thanas whithin those corporations, or of the city corporations, themselves? I guess what I'm wondering is if, as optional divisions, if wards cross upazila/thana borders in cities, or if they are fully contained within their upazilas/thanas? This is just a personal curiosity, not much relating to my interest in redoing the civic administration on Dhaka's page, as I imagine it'd be hard enough to find a total list of thana/upazilas in Dhaka, let alone exactly how many wards it has. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Wards follow city/municipal corporation boundaries, but don't always align with thana boundaries. I'm not aware of any that cross three thana borders, but plenty include portions of two thanas. In contrast, union parishads, the administrative unit below upazilas, are always wholly contained within their upazila. Dhaka's councillors are elected by ward, so when there are municipal elections someone knows exactly how many wards there are, what their boundaries are, what their populations are, who ran for election, and who won. They don't necessarily share the details though, or keep any information that is publicly accessible up to date. --Worldbruce (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. This is what I figured and wanted to be sure of, and it's pretty similar to most other countries. Wards are an electoral division of cities/municipalities as opposed to being in the system of administrative divisions. Since I got that out of the way, this gives me another question: When cities or municipalities want to expand into surrounding areas and they don't annex entire upazilas/thanas, are they required to annex entire union parishads/municipalities/cities (administrative divisions) or can they simply annex specific wards (electoral divisons) of those union parishads/municipalities/cities. To put it more simply, do you know of any cities/municipalities which have jurisdiction over only parts of territory adjacent union parishads or other cities/municipalities? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Criticalthinker: I've never before had occasion to dig into these questions in depth. What I found upends some of my assumptions. Read on. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

2011 Census

The key source for Dhaka census data is: "Population & Housing Census 2011: National Report Volume-3: Urban Area Report" (PDF). Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. It gives the following historical background:

The Dhaka Municipality was established in 1864 ... The municipal committee was reconstituted as paurashava in 1972 ... In 1983 it was replaced as Dhaka Municipal Corporation and finally in 1991 it got the status of a city corporation.

When the report refers to the city (usually as Dhaka City, but also Dhaka Metropotitan City or Dhaka Metropolitan Area) it means an area larger than that covered by Dhaka City Corporation (DCC). A third entity, Dhaka Mega City, larger than Dhaka City, is mentioned briefly.

Dhaka City

The report describes the city as follows:

consists of 42 thanas including Dhaka City Corporation with 92 wards, 2 restricted areas, and 837 mahallas and its adjoining 17 unions as other urban area. The thanas are Adabar, Badda, Bangshal, Bimanbandar, Cantonment, Chakbazar, Darusalam, Demra, Dakshin Khan, Dhanmondi, Gendaria, Ghulshan, Hazaribagh, Jatrabari, Kadamtali, Kafrul, Kalabagan, Kamrangir Char, Khilgaon, Khilkhet, Kotwali, Lalbagh, Mirpur, Mohammadpur, Motijheel, Newmarket, Palton, Pallabi, Ramna, Rampura, Sabujbagh, Shah Ali, Shahbagh, Sher-e-Bangla Nagar, Shyampur, Sutrapur, Tejgaon, Tejgaon Industrial area, Tongi, Uttara, Uttar Khan and Wari.

Their phrasing is difficult to parse without studying their tables, and I hope you can come up with a clearer explanation. Breaking it down, Dhaka City consists of the 42 listed thanas. Another way to put it is that Dhaka City consists of DCC plus 2 restricted areas and 17 union parishads. Those 17 unions are parts of 12 of the thanas, specifically the portions of those thanas that extend outside DCC. (Four of those unions are split among thanas, something I didn't know could happen).

The city is divided into 92 wards, but one doesn't need to know that to understand the census area and population. The number of mahallas is also a red herring.

According to the 2011 Bangladesh census, Dhaka City had an area of 315.98 sq km, and a population of 8,906,039. According to the 2001 census, it had an area of 1371 sq km, and a population of 9,672,763. There is a discussion, that I will leave to you to read, of how the census bureau abandoned the concept of Statistical Metropolitan Areas (SMAs) after the 2001 census and how that makes comparisons between the censuses difficult.

DCC

According to the 2011 Bangladesh census, DCC had an area of 126.34 sq km, and a population of 6,970,105. The 2011 census excluded from DCC the two restricted areas, Biman Bandar and Cantonment, which previously had been included in the DCC line item. I believe this accounts for the decrease in the area of DCC from 153.84 sq km in 2001. The exclusion of the restricted areas also decreased population somewhat, but that was more than offset by population growth.

Dhaka Mega City

The report doesn't say much about Dhaka Mega City, but it is evident that they define it as Dhaka City plus five paruashavas (municipal corporations), and six upazilas. The paruashavas are: Gazipur, Tongi, Savar, Narayanganj, and Kadam Rasul. The upazilas are: Keraniganj, Bandar, Narayanganj Sadar, Gazipur Sadar, and Savar Upazila. According to the 2011 Bangladesh census, Dhaka Mega City had a population of 14,171,567.

Subsequent events

After the 2011 census, DCC was split into DNCC and DSCC.

In May 2016, DNCC was expanded from 82.63 sq km to 114.58 square kilometres (44.24 sq mi), and DSCC was expanded from 45 sq km to 64.17 square kilometres (24.78 sq mi).

Basic arithmetic is not original research, so we should be able to compute the population, as of 2011, of the area now within the bounds of DNCC and DSCC. This post is getting long, so I'll leave that for another day. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

References

1. ^ "Population & Housing Census 2011: National Report Volume-3: Urban Area Report" (PDF). Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. p. 55. Retrieved 3 March 2017.
2. ^ "Population & Housing Census 2011: National Report Volume-3: Urban Area Report" (PDF). Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. p. 58. Retrieved 3 March 2017.
3. "Population & Housing Census 2011: National Report Volume-3: Urban Area Report" (PDF). Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. p. 24. Retrieved 3 March 2017.
4. "Population & Housing Census 2011: National Report Volume-3: Urban Area Report" (PDF). Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. p. 9. Retrieved 3 March 2017.
5. "Population & Housing Census 2011: National Report Volume-3: Urban Area Report" (PDF). Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. p. 102. Retrieved 3 March 2017.
6. "Population & Housing Census 2011: National Report Volume-3: Urban Area Report" (PDF). Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. p. 11. Retrieved 3 March 2017.
7. Partha Pratim Bhattacharjee; Mahbubur Rahman Khan (7 May 2016). "Govt to double size of Dhaka city area". The Daily Star.
8. "Dhaka City expands by more than double after inclusion of 16 union councils". bdnews24.com. 9 May 2016.

Thanks. This is a lot to take in but it answer basically all of my questions. To sum everything up:

- Like in most places I've studied, municipal and administrative divisions are two different layers. As an example, we've learned that city/municipal/union councils can exist in multiple thanas/upazilas. These municipalities are overlaid atop the administrative divisions.

- Apparently, when Dhaka's two city corporations annex land from surrounding municipalities, they annex entire council areas and not just parts of the council areas.

- Dhaka City Corporation (now split between DNCC and DSCC) is what we'd call a "city proper" and this is what the page should be centered around as it relates to the population and area listed in the infobox and throughout. So, at the most recent census (2011) we had a city proper with a population of 6,970,105 at 127.63 sq km in size. While we won't have an official population until the next census (though, there are certainly estimates), what we do know is that the city proper with the addition of 16 union councils has now added an additional 178.75 sq km to the existing 127.63 square miles for a total area of 306.38 sq km.

- Dhaka "City" is a statistical area/definition that adds in close-by suburbs. To better differentiate it from the city proper, I'd most likely almost always refer to it by it's official name to avoid confusion: Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area. What I'm far less clear of is the whole 42 thanas thing, so it'd need to be specified which of these thanas are totally within the two city corporations, which whole thanas exist outside of the two city corporations, and then finally which parts (union councils) of the remaining thanas are included. I'm not sure if the 42 number is just the thanas in the city corporations or if the 42 number is whole thanas and parts of others.

Anyway, thanks, again. If you ever need me for any advice if you ever try to clarify the page, always feel free to ask. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the more I think about this the more I want a list so we know which complete thanas/upazilas and which parts of others (the unions) make up the two municipal corporations. I want to be able to clearly define this. Also, do you happen to know the translation of the texts on this map in the map's key? Because that might help with this. --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:10, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you Worldbruce, but were you ever able to compile a list of all of the thanas completely under the jurisdiction of the two Dhaka city corporations, and then those union councils under the city coporations in the adjacent thanas/upazilas?

Hello? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:22, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Criticalthinker. Your question is not forgotten. I was on the road, and consequently not editing, for a couple months earlier this year, and have never caught up from that. As near as I recall, all the necessary information is in the above references, it's just a matter of digging it out. Anyone can do that, you don't have to wait for me. I don't think the map on the Dhaka District page contains enough detail to be useful for your purpose. The legend reads, from top to bottom: District borders, Thana, Union, Thana headquarters, and District headquarters. What it calls thanas have, since 1984, been called upazilas, it doesn't show any subdivisions within the city, and it doesn't show all the unions. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:12, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I only ask you, because I have tried researching this myself. You've layed out many of the problems I find: the maps don't show the thana/upazilas, or the ones that do don't show the unions. It becomes even more difficult given that I don't speak or read the language. Curiously, there seems to be many maps showing the wards, but those aren't administrative divisions of the state. We've nailed down that the two municipal corporations includes both thanas in their entirety (though, we still don't have a comprehensive list of even these), but also that they include only parts of thanas (unions), too, but nailing down which of those unions belong to the two city corporations has proven very difficult. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:44, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

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thanks for the feedback re COI

Hello, how do I report a COI exactly? Can you help me find a fair editor for my AfC request? The first four were biased and could not read, quote, or interpret wiki policy in proper detail!! :x Skinduptruk (talk) 12:30, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

@Skinduptruk: There isn't exactly one way to declare a COI. I recommend starting by placing on User:Skinduptruk a statement such as:

I am Kurt Pudniks. I have a conflict of interest with regard to the autobiography Draft:Kurt Pudniks. I am aware of the applicable policies and guidelines, and will abide by them. I submitted the draft through articles for creation in accordance with WP:COIEDIT. I understand that I do not own it and it may be edited mercilessly. If it is published, I will propose any changes via its talk page rather than editing it directly.

Aim for simplicity, clarity, and transparency. Your goal with the declaration is to acknowledge that you have a COI, briefly explain its nature, convince people that you know what you're getting into, and reassure everyone that you will always put the encyclopedia's interests above your own. It might help to also say something about why you're here, such as "I am Kurt Pudniks. My primary interests are physics, Tokelau, and Medieval legal history." That's up to you.

I have added {{connected contributor}} to the talk page of the draft, and will update it to point to your declaration when you've made it.

In any thread in which you talk about your autobiograhy, disclose your COI (which may be done by linking to your user page declaration). --Worldbruce (talk) 15:36, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

At last a reply that makes sense! Sounds good, will do as you suggest. Thanks for the link to connected contributor. btw what do you think about the first two editor's draft rejections and the comments by Newyorkactuary? Skinduptruk (talk) 08:53, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the draft closely, but will do so when I have time, perhaps on Monday or Tuesday if another volunteer doesn't get to it first. It will be evaluated on its own merits. Reviewing other reviews would not be productive. Huon, Primefac, and NewYorkActuary have extensive experience in article creation and deletion. Any editor can make a mistake, but if they've offered you advice about the draft, then odds are it's sound advice. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

I get the feeling they are experienced. But they would just launch into obscure assertions & assumptions eg. show us 3x "non-political" news items. Or that Mr. Pyne is biased "because he endorsed you". I'm like well he said that based off his opinion. Then Huon said "Trump fact checks are news". Bizzare stuff I'm afraid :/ Your replies are infinity times more sensible and coherent so I look forward to your review against wiki policy (WP:POLOUTCOMES from memory)... did you get a chance to look? ;) Skinduptruk (talk) 06:27, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

You helped me once about article thank you! But it wasn't enough can you please help me again

Hello Worldbruce I want to thank you by helping me trying to put active article (https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Saint_Joanikije_Devi%C4%8Dki). But sadly the men who should approve it did not again, said that sources you sent me was not reliable. I do not understand what source he wants now? I have putted every single source you sent me as an answer and plus we have you further reading and still isn't enough. Can you help somehow to fix that, and change mind of this stubborn man about my article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semantron (talk • contribs) 08:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Draft: Ejembi John Onah

User: Worldbruce, thanks so much for the great work you have done on the draft:Ejembi John Onah, I am already taking care of the issues raised, you really did a great work Ejembi12 (talk) 03:29, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

User: Worldbruce, once more thanks for the great work on the above article. The article has been corrected to take care of all your observations; all body text now have verifiable secondary sources: On the subject being a recipient of a prestigious international academic award by KAAD foundation; https://de.wikipedia.org/KAAD, it was confirmed by Dr. Marko Kuhn-Head KAAD http://www.kaad.de/en/kaad/mitarbeitende/ that the subject had the award between March 1996 and October 1997. Dr. Marko Kuhn further stated that such award list was not published by any such academic agency as protected by law. As you know; notability academia has 9 criteria in which an article can establish only one to be notable. Since the subject is a recipient of a prestigious academic award on a stand alone proofs notability academics among others fulfilling 1-8 criteria on notability including professor test not notable professor test as outlined by wiki policy https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics), please shift the article to the main article space, thanks. Ejembi12 (talk) 00:07, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Draft: James D. Spaniolo

User: Worldbruce, many thanks for your help with the James D. Spaniolo draft. kllwiki 12 December 2017

Hi Worldbruce, I got message from you

Hi Worldbruce, I got a message from you asking if I am getting paid to write a Misplaced Pages page. I am not how do I declare that? Thanks, David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dquintero2017 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@Dquintero2017: In general, reply to a posting wherever that posting is, not somewhere else. See Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines.

Disclose your conflict of interest (COI) in three places:

1. On your user page.
2. On the talk page of any topic you edit with a COI, i.e. Draft talk:Mike Lewis. You may use the {{connected contributor}} or {{connected contributor (paid)}} template, whichever applies, for this purpose. If you have trouble with the syntax, someone else will do this for you after you've made your user page declaration.
3. In any discussion thread in which you talk about the topic with which you have a COI. This may be done by linking to your user page declaration.

A typical user page disclosure might be something along the lines of:

I have a conflict of interest with regard to Draft:Mike Lewis because I'm a part-time public relations and marketing intern at an organization founded by him. I am aware of the applicable policies and guidelines, and will abide by them. I submitted the draft through articles for creation in accordance with WP:COIEDIT. I understand that I do not own it and it may be edited mercilessly. If it is published, I will propose any changes via its talk page rather than editing it directly.

The actual text will of course depend on the nature of your COI. Paid interns must abide by the more stringent mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Even if an internship is unpaid, the intern is still receiving compensation in the form of services - training, work experience, network building - so paid disclosure might be judged to be required. Failing to disclose your conflict of interest gives the (hopefully false) impression that you have something to hide, and carries consequences not only within Misplaced Pages, but risks running afoul of U.S. Federal and California State laws regarding unfair or deceptive business practices or acts. --Worldbruce (talk) 04:35, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

famine page

• Hey. BrianBoulton has volunteered to do some serious trimming of the famine article after the holidays, and Ceoil seems to have started as well. If yu wanna jump in, please do feel free. I... kinda feel reluctant to edit it. I dunno. I might add one or two little edits but I don't see myself contributing much to the effort. Anyhow, cheers and happy holidays. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 08:22, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject specific list of AfCs needing review

Following our discussion at the Australian Wikipedians noticeboard pre-Christmas, I set up Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Australia/ArticlesforReview which uses the petscan query you suggested to filter out the AfCs relevant to WikiProject Australia. When first established, we had around 40-50 AfCs in the list, which was reduced in zero in a matter of days (particular thanks to User:The Drover's Wife for a mighty effort in clearing the backlog). Together with a small number of other Australian contributors, we seem to be turning around most new items on the list in about a day or so. So, I would strongly suggest setting up similar arrangements for other active WikiProjects (I realise many are no longer active) as it really does address a major hurdle that many of us willing to do AfC reviews found too daunting in practice (that is, identifying articles that we were likely to have the expertise to review). Indeed, I think it would be good if these WikiProjects were organised as sub-categories of Pending AfC submissions, as is currently done by age Category:AfC pending submissions by age, with the necessary automation in place to keep these categorisations correct (we are doing it manually for Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Australia/ArticlesforReview but an automated system for all active WikiProjects would be better).

The next problem we found were that there were articles about Australia in the AfC pool but not tagged as WikiProject Australia (and therefore not revealed to us by the petscan query). I spent an hour or so with AutoWikiBrowser trawling the all Pending AfC submission category for any article that contained "Australia" and then manually assessed it to see if it was "Australian" content on merely making a glancing mention of Australia (as in "The product is sold in many countries including ...., Australia, ...."), tagging the truly "Australian" articles so they would show up in our petscan search. So if the category system for WikiProjects was implemented, then presumably those AfC submissions without project tagging could go into a separate category. That would then make it efficient to run AWB over that untagged category and manually tag any AfC submissions as appropriate. Doing it over the whole set is way too time-consuming to do on a regular basis, but doing it over a much smaller set is more realistic.

An alternative approach might be to automatically tag any AfC that mentioned Australia (or whatever the relevant key words are for particular WikiProjects) as {{WikiProject Australia}} and then rely on the Australian reviewers to re-tag them if they felt they were not in the scope of that project. This might be a more effective way to deal with them (ensuring that some WikiProject has initial responsibility for the article, even if they just flip it to another more appropriate WikiProject).

By organising the AfCs by WikiProject (as outlined above), it should be possible to maintain a dashboard showing which WikiProject AfCs were backlogging enabling a call for help to go out to that WikiProject. I think that is probably more effective than the mass invitations that were recently sent out (I note I got one even though I am signed up to AfC reviewing so clearly they were pretty indiscriminate). I think people are much more likely to respond to a call in relation to their particular topic interests (it certainly worked for Australian AfCs).

Anything, just some ideas for you to help keep the AfC flood more under control. Kerry (talk) 02:54, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

International Turkish Hope School, Dhaka

Their motivation's pretty obvious and I doubt they'll stop without a topic ban. Which will be tricky, as they'll just get another staff member to do it, and then another. Page protection? Funnily enough, my old school had a similar dislike of the gay spy John Vassall being added to the list of alumni! KJP1 (talk) 08:34, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I reported them at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:ITHS reported by User:Worldbruce. Perhaps a short block will wake them up to the need to work collaboratively. More likely they'll just create a new account and keep reverting. In which case they'll get blocked as sockpuppets, and will keep reverting as IPs, which will lead to escalating periods of protection, ... All very tedious. Things never end well when connected contributors create/edit an article to promote something or someone. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:59, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Request on 12:59:41, 12 January 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Anikesh Majumder

• Anikesh Majumder (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:QOIE (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Worldbruce

Hope you are doing well!

Why my article QOIE has not been accepted and please assist what should I do so that this article can be reviewed again?

Thanks & regards Anikesh

Anikesh Majumder (talk) 12:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

@Anikesh Majumder: My analysis is that the company has not received deep coverage that is not based on a press release, nor coverage over a period of time. Therefore it is not notable and does not belong in Misplaced Pages as the subject of a stand alone article. No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Misplaced Pages may not be used for advertising, promotion, or public relations. See Misplaced Pages:FAQ/Organizations.--Worldbruce (talk) 14:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Helpful script

Hi! I noticed you had been tagging lots of draft articles with WikiProjects. I actually have a script that lets you do that, instead of navigating to the talk page first: User:Enterprisey/draft-sorter. Let me know what you think! Enterprisey (talk!) 01:38, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Enterprisey, I know the script well, recommend it to others, and use it for some tagging.

Its greatest drawback is that it doesn't recognize WikiProject Biography, which is what many drafts are. My recollection is a bit hazy, but I think you're using someone else's list of projects, and they omit Biography because their list is used in the post-acceptance project assignment step at AfC. There it's undesirable to have it in the project list because for an article we want to take advantage of the intricate syntax of {{WikiProject Biography}} and set the living and listas parameters. Consequently, during post-acceptance the addition of WikiProject Biography is driven by a checkbox and a series of fields rather than by typing in the "Add WikiProjects" box.

For drafts, perhaps 80% of which will never be accepted, it isn't clear that the extra time to use all the power of WikiProject Biography is worth it. Quickly slapping on template WikiProject Biography is sufficient for reviewers to find or avoid biographies, according to their tastes.

Some other projects are missing too: Military history is the largest, but I've also noticed Classical music and Concerts. I've heard anecdotal reports that one or more projects don't like drafts tagged with their template, which might be why some are missing, but no one has ever named those "touchy" projects, and no one has ever complained to me. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! I've updated the script to merge the existing list with a new one from another one of my tools. It should have a lot more projects listed now, and let me know if there are any more that you definitely want added. Enterprisey (talk!) 04:35, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

New batch of film lists

Hi Worldbruce. Did you notice that all the deleted lists have been recreated? I'm preparing a bundled AFD of all those that are splits from List of Bangladeshi films. I'm in the process of cleaning it up now and putting data back. Sam Sailor 18:28, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Yes, I noticed. At least one was put up for CSD G10 by Vinegarymass911, but speedy deletion was declined on the grounds that the split of a large list is ineligble. I'm not convinced that the by-year lists are necessary, but on the plus side they were recreated by an editor other than out-of-control মাখামাখি, the missing attributions can be fixed, and Vinegarymass911 renamed them to avoid the anachronism of describing films made in East Pakistan as "Bangladeshi" long before Bangladesh existed, which was one of my principal objections. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:22, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy

Hi, Worldbruce. In trying to clean up (thanks, PeerBaba) a section of Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy, I realized that the last paragraph, whose sentences I had copyedited, did not seem to hang together as a logical narrative (if it ever had).

I have referred to the paragraph's (poorly) cited sources, which link to biographies of Iskander Mirza and Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy at Story Of Pakistan a multimedia journey. Those biographies did not contain the narrative cited in that last paragraph.

As I am no subject expert, and noticing your recent edit at the Iskander Mirza Talk page, I wonder if you might take a look at that problematic paragraph I mention above with an eye to its making more sense and being properly referenced. Thanks--Quisqualis (talk) 19:27, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Recommending new editors to your WP Bangladesh

Hi Worldbruce,

Our system generated a list of potential new editors for your project. They may be interested in collaborating with your project members on your project's articles. As you will notice, the list contains both experienced editors and newcomers. Both are valuable for Misplaced Pages and your project. Please go ahead and introduce your project to them, and point them to some project tasks to start with. We also provide a template invitation message to make it easier to contact the potential new editors. Just click the invite link to write the invitation message.

We'd appreciate it if you could fill the survey to let us know what you think about our recommendations so we can improve our system.

Please let me know below if you have any general feedback about our recommendations. Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 05:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Worldbruce, Just wonder if you had any chance to look at the recommendations I sent? Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 22:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Worldbruce, I update the recommendation list sent to you earlier. I fixed some bugs in the previous version (as you might have seen that some editors on the previous list were not quite active). Very sorry about it, but now, everything should be good! Please take a look, and let me know what you think! Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 16:55, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Worldbruce, please take a look at those recommendations if you have a chance, and let me know what do you think. Thank you! I would also help invite some new members, but they are not the ones on this list. Bobo.03 (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Banglapedia

You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Banglapedia. Thanks.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 23:47, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

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linking

Hi, when you create an article about Parliamentary constituencies of Bangladesh, Please link that with bengali wikipedia's article. e.g Bhola-4 should be connected to bn:ভোলা-৪ (জাতীয় সংসদের নির্বাচনী এলাকা). --আফতাব (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Good idea. It can be done in Wikidata. It isn't one of my top priorities, but I'll do it periodically in batches, perhaps when I complete a district. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:56, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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