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RfC: Do selective deletions of material make this article non-neutral?

There is consensus against adding a neutrality cleanup tag to this article. (non-admin closure) ~ Rob 12:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

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In February, a large amount of material was deleted from Lyndon LaRouche. The only explanation offered, in one of the edit summaries, was that the sources were "sketchy". Among the sources for the deleted material were the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Chicago Tribune, Corriere della Sera, and Xinhua. Other material sourced to these same publications was retained in the article. The deleted material depicted the subject in a relatively favorable light, while the retained material was unfavorable. Requests for an explanation on the talk page have gone unanswered. Should this article be considered non-neutral and display the "neutrality dispute" message? 75.27.248.232 (talk) 15:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Lyndon_LaRouche&diff=703959707&oldid=703959318 2602:304:B1BF:8E80:949E:1039:4EE1:D41C (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

No, the article has not been made non-neutral by the removal of text which tried to make LaRouche seem like a respected thought leader in global politics when he is actually a fringe character. It's not the removal in February that made this article non-neutral, it was the much earlier additions of such text. So the removals fixed the problem. Binksternet (talk) 00:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

So, just to be clear: in your few, the source, for example New York Times, is not the problem, but rather that the viewpoint was incorrect? So we retain the negative comments from that source, but purge the positive comments? That's an odd approach to neutrality. 2602:304:B1BF:8E80:949E:1039:4EE1:D41C (talk) 16:26, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

There was one statement sourced to The New York Times : a Mexican official told The New York Times that LaRouche had arranged the meeting by representing himself as a Democratic Party official. That's hardly a positive statement. The problem is that it was included in a larger block of content misrepresenting LaRouche as a major figure in world politics by throwing out a whole bunch of insignificant meetings. See WP:COATRACK and WP:UNDUE. clpo13_(talk) 16:36, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

No, that diff shows a badly needed purge of WP:NPOV-violating content. VQuakr (talk) 08:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Comment Summoned by the bot, It is reasonable to delete the unsourced content which the removed section had several. But there were sourced content in that section too, and I don't think they should be removed along with the junk stuff. There has to be a way to include them without conflating it with unsourced or poorly sourced commentary. I don't agree with the accusation of COATRACK. The content was directly relevant to the article subject, albeit sketchy in some parts.Darwinian Ape 13:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
No the selective edits are not harming the neutral POV. Me-123567-Me (talk) 15:41, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Possibly I think that the deleted items should be considered on a case-by-case basis. Some are quite well sourced, some not. It looks to me like quite a few babies were tossed out with the bathwater. 99.27.104.103 (talk) 13:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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Time to clean up LaRouche entry.

There needs to be less needless glorification and more fair and accurate and balanced material on this page. Chip.berlet (talk) 16:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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