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    Mhhossein

    Article in question is outside the scope of ARBPIA. --NeilN 13:21, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Mhhossein

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Shrike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:33, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Mhhossein (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_3#Motion:_ARBPIA_"consensus"_provision_modified :
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    1. 07:27, 2 May 2018‎ First introduction of tag
    2. 13:27, 2 May 2018‎ Second introduction of tag 24h have not passed yet.


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    The article was protected by USER:Courcelles as part of the conflict.The user refuse to selft revert .

    Though when I filed the request for me it was clear case especially when article was protected by WP:ECP I am willing to withdraw it as I going to file WP:ARCA --Shrike (talk) 10:01, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Statement by Mhhossein

    The mentioned article is not under the remedy Shrike claims. Enforcing the WP:BLUELOCK as an attempt to have "extended confirmed protection" does not necessarily mean that the article is under ARBPIA. Regards. Nuclear program of Iran has nothing to do with the Arab world. --Mhhossein 05:51, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

    • Masem: Thanks for the intervention. This is related to Israel, but how can it be related to I/P or Israel-Arab area, considering that Iran is even not an Arab country and It's nuclear program has nothing to do with them? --Mhhossein 06:06, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
    • See these comments for clarification: , and . Regards. --Mhhossein 06:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Icewhiz: Every article with the protection level of "extended confirmed falls under ARBPIA? Everything related to Israel falls under ARBPIA? Don't try to mix these unrelated things. What the hell does that alleged scientific project have to do with the Israel-Arab conflict?--Mhhossein 08:55, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
    Icewhiz: You're wasting your energy if you think people will be misguided by that completely unrelated protection enhancement edit. I'm going to assume that you're trying to game the system by trying to pretend otherwise. "No, it doesn't - the Iran-Israel proxy conflict doesn't fall under ARBPIA, because it is not part of the Arab-Israeli conflict (Israel opposes Iran and it's allies, which are not part of the Arab League, while Israel in fact partially cooperates with the Arab League against Iran)." --Mhhossein 12:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
    Icewhiz: Enough is enough, don't beat the dead horse. Your ... comments have already wasted our time and energy. --Mhhossein 11:51, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Beyond My Ken: Let me reword your self interpretation: "...Yes, it is certainly true that United States (or UK) is not an Arab country but it opposes the "anti-Semitism", the description of a bias and prejudice against Jews, and not against all Semites. Similarly, United States is a well-known ally of Israel strongly supporting its existence. United States is not Arabic, but it is part of the "broadly interpreted" circumstance that the sanctions were intended to control. I would urge admins to take this into account, and not be so specific in their interpretation." So, every article related to Israel & US should be considered under the remedy since the United States is opposing the Arabs who oppose the existence of Israel. --Mhhossein 06:16, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Beyond My Ken: Be civil. Your comment is a blatant personal attack. You know that outcome would be if you repeat it. Based on you argument, we may connect "everything" to "everything". Btw, after reviewing WP:CIVIL, you need to know "Why the US has the most pro-Israel foreign policy in the world" and "U.S. Policy in Israel/Palestine, 1948: The Forgotten History". Regards. --Mhhossein 12:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Icewhiz

    I asked Mhhossein to self revert, as did Shrike. As might be evident on his talk page - User talk:Mhhossein#Self revert request he refused, also after it was pointed out to him the article was placed on extended confirmed protection (500/30) due to ARBPIA.Icewhiz (talk) 06:57, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

    As for the prior case involving Psychonot and Mhhossein at AE - that was on Ali Khamenei which is not inherently ARBPIA - as opposed to this article which is (including the POV tag which Mhhossein placed since per his words "Netanyahu alleged that Iran for years operated a secret project known as Amad... - so Mhhossein has tied our article on this Iranian project (and POV thereof - this edit specifically) to to the Israeli prime minister.Icewhiz (talk) 07:01, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Mhhossein:, not every one, but this one was placed by @Courcelles: as 500/30 due to what would seem to be ARBPIA. It would be great to have a clear clarification (if there isn't one already hidden somewhere) of whether the Israeli-Iranian conflict (which this article is obviously a part of) is part of ARBPIA. I think it should be (not because Iranians are Arab - they are not - but it is part of the same conflict in terms of topic area and the editing problems are the same) - and I at least have treated it as ARBPIA in my editing (whether or not there is an edit box or protection - which is present on many of the articles (so it seems that some admins, at least part of the time, seem to consider this ARBPIA).Icewhiz (talk) 09:06, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
    While Iranians are not Arab, post-1979 Iran (particularly since 1988) has been heavily involved in the the Arab/Israeli conflict - supporting the Palestinian cause - particularly Islamist factions, supporting Hezbollah against Israel, etc. I suspect that the boundaries of ARBPIA should be taken up with Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment - as it seems there are differing interpretations here (also among admins placing protection / at AE). Presently - Iran is possibly the most significant state actor that is actively on the side of some Palestinian factions - and most of the on-going Iran–Israel proxy conflict involves Arab proxies.Icewhiz (talk) 07:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Nishidani

    I would only note,Masem, that some experienced editors on both 'sides' appear to be confused on this (Syria, hence all the more Iran) as per this remark.Nishidani (talk) 07:45, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Zero0000

    Sandstein is perfectly correct that this is not part of the Arab-Israeli conflict, because Iran is not an Arab country. It is definitely not covered by ARBPIA. The complaint should be moved to somewhere else like ANI, but a single revert is unlikely to get much traction over there. Zero 09:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

    To editor Beyond My Ken: "the United States ... does not take an oppositional stance in regard to either the Arab world or Israel". That has to be the most counterfactual claim I have heard in this noticeboard for years. Incidentally, regarding the article in question, every Arab country (hard to be sure in the case of Syria) is mortally opposed to Iran having nuclear weapons. The argument (made by someone else here) that an article on an alleged Iranian nuclear program belongs to ARBPIA because Iran supports Palestinians thereby falls flat on its face. Zero 12:37, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by TheGracefulSlick

    In the very same discussion Nishidani refers to, one editor says the Israel-Iran conflict does not fall under the Arab-Israeli conflict, and cites a 2013 discussion to support his assertion. Obviously, this is no clear-cut case and it would be unfair to punish anyone for something that clearly isn't understood by everyone. Had Shrike realized this, instead of piggybacking off Icewhiz's initial claim (as usual), we would not be here.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 13:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by K.e.coffman

    The filing party has a history of initiating misguided reports. I was a subject of one of them at 3RRN last month, which closed as “no violation”: permalink. Perhaps, the filer should be cautioned to better understand policies and restrictions before filing reports at various noticeboards. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:02, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Beyond My Ken

    While the opinions expressed by admins below that the article in question is not covered by the discretionary sanctions are quite reasonable, I think that the fact that the subject area is specifically to be "broadly interpreted" changes things somewhat. Yes, it is certainly true that Iran is not an Arab country, but it is also true that Arabs are Semites, and yet "anti-Semitism" is the description of a bias and prejudice against Jews, and not against all Semites. Similarly, Iran is part of the cauldron of the "Middle East" in which the countries all around Israel have taken up a strong opposition to its existence. Iran is not Arabic, but it is part of the "broadly interpreted" circumstance that the sanctions were intended to control. I would urge admins to take this into account, and not be so specific in their interpretation. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:43, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

    Mhhossein's reductio ad absurdum response to my comment is completely inapt, since the United States is not part of the Middle East and does not take an oppositional stance in regard to either the Arab world or Israel. The instructions in the ArbCom remedy says that the subject of the discretionary sanctions is to be "broadly interpreted", not that it is to be "ridiculously interpreted and stretched to the breaking point." Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Seraphim System

    Even if it was within the remedy, I think it is reasonable to assume good faith and take Mhhossein at his word that he did not believe it was within the remedy. The connection is attenuated enough that I think it would need to be discussed at ARCA and for editors to be made aware of it before it was actionable.Seraphim System 07:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Result concerning Mhhossein

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • Given that Israel is claimed to have found evidence of this Iranian plan, and thus the basis of this article, it clearly is tied to the I/P area. Definitely a violation. --Masem (t) 06:02, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
      • If other admins feel that Iran falls outside I/P, then I'll accept that. I just consider that these have been typically broad, and given stories like this, we can't say that Iran is completely isolated from I/P. --Masem (t) 13:51, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
    • In my view, this is outside of the scope of the ARBPIA restrictions. The article at issue, Project Amad, is about an Iranian nuclear program which Israel considers a threat. Iran is not an Arab country. It does have a conflict with Israel, but that's not part of the Arab-Israeli conflict, which is what the restrictions apply to. Our article about the Arab-Israeli conflict mentions Iran only in passing. Sandstein 08:49, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
    • I agree that this falls outside ARBPIA. "Arab-Israeli" doesn't mean the conflict involves one or the other, the scope is conflict between the two. Since Iran is not an Arabic country, conflict between it and Israel is not Arab-Israeli conflict. Seraphimblade 01:43, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
    • This is not the first time that the question of ARBPIA enforcement on Iranian-Israeli relations has come up. The response seems to have generally been that Iran is involved in the Arab-Israeli conflict, mainly through its proxies, but that this doesn't make every edit or article related to Iran-Israel relations subject to ARBPIA DS (compare this request with this one and this one and perhaps this one). In this case, I agree with others that Project Amad, while it is linked to Israel-Iran relations, is not related to the Arab-Israeli conflict and therefore not subject to 1RR. GoldenRing (talk) 08:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

    E-960

    E-960 will voluntarily refrain from editing the article for 72 hours. If disruptive tagging is an issue, another request should be made, with evidence that will allow admins unfamiliar with the sources to understand the issue. --NeilN 02:27, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Request concerning E-960

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:03, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    E-960 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBEE, page level article restrictions - 1RR (+original author as in ARBPIA)
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Revision as of 19:22, 6 May 2018 revert 1 of this edit - Revision as of 08:54, 26 April 2018 (with modifications).
    2. Revision as of 20:54, 6 May 2018 revert 2 (reverting an IP - not a 1RR vio, does count for 3RR later).
    3. Revision as of 05:40, 7 May 2018 revert 3
    4. revision as of 06:35, 7 May 2018 revert 4.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
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    notified

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    4 reverts on a 1RR article. There are also BLP and RS issues for some of the information added. See Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 240#Holocaust history: Polish ambassador facebook post covered by wpolityce, and op-ed by Piotr Zaremba and various discussions at Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland such as Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland#Should Grabowski be removed ?.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    notified

    Additional comments by Icewhiz

    RE E-960's comments below -

    1. I tagged the article once in the past two weeks - with this edit in 27 April in which I said "tag - better source - literature professor writing about literature." I subsequently refuted the stmt made by this source in Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland#"only German-occupied European country" with death penalty - with RSes showing the death penalty was imposed for this in other occupied countries. It is unclear to me how this is "users Icewhiz ... continue to tag bomb".
    2. In this 6 May edit with the edit summary " FRINGEy source, interview in which he says indirectly - as he said all along." - I perhaps should have been clearer. I was referring (before the comma) to the right wing internet portal wPolityce as WP:FRINGE (which it is, in and of itself) - all the more so when the coverage in wPolityce was of comments posted to Facebook by Jakub Kumoch - the Polish ambassador to Switzerland - this is not an appropriate source for WWII history, and possibly also a BLP vio. After the comma I was referring to the interview in Gazeta Wyborcza (which is not FRINGE) - as superfluous - as we never say (nor has Grabowski in any scholarly publication or in a media interview that we found so far on Misplaced Pages) that Grabowski estimates 200,000 murdered by the Poles - as Grabowski had always said "directly and indirectly" (or variations thereof). Some FRINGEy outlets such as wPolityce may have reported second or third hand that he had said that - however we do not cover that (nor does it seem relevant!) - so covering his clarification to a question (by Gazeta Wyborcza) about claims by "right-wing historians and publicists" is out of context and irrelevant (particularly since the text E-960 introduced leads off with "directly and indirectly"). Both these issues (the Facebook posts by the Polish ambassador and the "clarification" (which was what was being said all along) - were dicussed in-depth at the talk-page - E-960 returned an old version of the text and as far as I can see did not participate in the recent talk page discussion on this particular topic.Icewhiz (talk) 10:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

    Discussion concerning E-960

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    Statement by E-960

    I'd like to respectfully object to user Icewhiz's reporting of me, as his "Reverts" were done under a false and misleading pretense.

    In this example user Icewhiz reverted text containing two RELIABLE reference sources, and in his Edit Summary writing in that these are "FRINGE source" (and here the unture claim was made that the same text was ORIGINAL RESEARCH). Yet, both these reference sources are two of the biggest newspapers in Poland, and in the case of Gazeta Wyborcza, the reference was the actual INTERVIEW with historian Jan Grabowski, and the removed text was what the historian said himself. To call these sources "FRINGE" unfortunately comes across as nothing more than an excuse to arbitrarily remove the text. Also, to back up this suspicion users Icewhiz and François Robere continue to tag bomb the article (here: , , , , , , ) and revert text back-up by reliable reference sources using the 'IJUSTDONTLIKEIT shame tagging' tactic, and they have been warned about it and their tags reverted by other editors such as GizzyCatBella, Nihil novi, and Volunteer Marek, as this keeps occurring.

    In any case, I can apologize for my knee jerk reaction to restore the text, and confirm that in the future I'll keep in mind that this article is under the tighter scrutiny of the 1RR rule. But, also I'd like to ask the Admins to remind users Icewhiz and François Robere that automatically adding un-warranted tags or removing statements containing RELIABLE reference sources by labeling them as FRINGE, can come across as disruptive. --E-960 (talk) 09:05, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

    • Pls note that wPolityce newspaper is not FRINGE. In 2018, it has around 1.2 million regular readers (and an accompanying weekly news magazine that is available in every newsstand in the country) — though it is righwing, as Gazeta Wyborcza is leftwing. Again, throwing around untrue labels to automatically discredit a conservative news outlet. --E-960 (talk) 10:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
    As suggested by NeilN, to avoid escalating the issue, I can step back for the suggested time, and let the content discussion play out on the article talk page. --E-960 (talk) 15:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by GizzyCatBella

    (writing in progress...will finish today)GizzyCatBella (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2018 (UTC) I'll hold off on my comment and keep my word for future later use if necessary. NeilN's recommendation is very fair in my opinion.GizzyCatBella (talk) 23:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

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    • @NeilN: These are your page-level restrictions, could you please evaluate this request? Sandstein 13:01, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
    • This seems a pretty blatant violation and E-960 seems to be aware of this given the apology above. I'm not familiar enough with the sources in question to comment sensibly on the wider dispute, though I note that at least some sources have been removed or tagged for being non-english-language without translation, which is not appropriate. GoldenRing (talk) 13:15, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
    • WP:1RR violation involving a sourcing dispute but in light of E-960's assertion that they will be more careful I would suggest they voluntarily restrict themselves to using the talk page for the next 72 hours in lieu of discretionary sanctions. --NeilN 13:34, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

    Salvidrim!

    Salvidrim! made and caught their own mistake, so other than a massive TROUT there's nothing to do other than kicking the page back to the draft space and letting someone else review it. Primefac (talk) 18:54, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Salvidrim! (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:35, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct of Mister Wiki editors#Salvidrim! prohibited (II) :
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    1. Today moving an article Drafted by others into mainspace
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    D'oh! I was casually looking up this game, found a draft in Draftspace that looked fine, moved it to mainspace and wikified it a bit. Then choked on my coffee when I recalled I was currently prohibited from reviewing AfC Drafts or moving other people's AfC Drafts into mainspace. In this case there was no AfC template but I don't wanna look like the guy intentionally toeing the line and going after Drafts just because they don't have AfC tags, without regard for the spirit of the sanction. I'm self-reporting here before someone else does. I think it's probably no big deal but "thinking it's no big deal" is part of what landed me before ArbCom so I'm not sure how much my self-assessment is worth. That I should "seek external review" was the point that the case commenters wanted to hammer into my skull so that's what I'm doing.

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    My face has been notified by my palm.

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    Statement by Salvidrim

    re Tony: I guess my first thought was that self-reverting might be seen as "yet another attempt to avoid scrutiny"? Maybe I'm just being paranoid, apologies if this is a bit of a timewaster. Another one. Plus I couldn't self-revert anyways since I left a redirect at the draftspace title per usual practice. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 18:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by TonyBallioni

    Can you just re: draftify and slap an AfC tag on it for someone else to review? I appreciate the self-reporting here, but this seems like a bit of a waste of time. When someone accidentally violates an AE sanction, the norm is just to self-revert. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:42, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Crawford88

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    Request concerning Crawford88

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    Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Crawford88 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard_discretionary_sanctions: From the definitions of discretionary sanctions, "Within the area of conflict, editors are expected to edit carefully and constructively, ...comply with all applicable policies and guidelines... etc" (emphasis mine).
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 08:30, 7 May 2018 Reinstates removed content in violation of WP:NPOV (because of its language) and of WP:V and WP:NOR because said language is not supported by the source in question. Furthermore, the reinstatement was made despite my having been explicit about the OR problem when removing said content.
    2. 08:32, 7 May 2018 Reinstates removed content in violation of NPOV. The source discusses defaming a government and a country; the content claims defamation of Hindus.

    At this point, I reverted the edits, once again describing the problems with them, and left a warning on this user's page, describing the specific problems with reinstating the edits. They essentially brushed off this warning.

    1. 04:47, 8 May 2018 Once again reinstates content in violation of WP:NOR and WP:V, despite having seen and responded to my warning above. This version addresses the "defaming Hindus" part of the problem, but reinstates the other original research and non-neutral language for a second time.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

    No previous sanctions.

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    Editor was alerted to discretionary sanctions in January 2017. While this was 15 months ago, it is a bit of a stretch to suggest they are therefore unaware of the sanctions, having edited in this topic area continuously since.

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    There's several incorrect statements and fundamental misunderstandings in Crawford88's statement.

    1. I haven't used my administrator tools on this page, and as I am aware of WP:INVOLVED, am not likely to do so.
    2. "Hindu" and "Hindutva foot soldier" are not the same either, and if Crawford88 believes them to be, he is simply demonstrating his unsuitability for editing this topic.
    3. The importance of the content I removed is quite irrelevant, as is the presence of other sources. I removed the content because it wasn't supported by the cited source.
    4. Crawford reinstated it, thereby taking responsibility for it, in violation of our core policies. He still does not appear to see the problem with that. Neil, he's responded, as you asked; could you take a look? Vanamonde (talk) 05:30, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Statement by Crawford88

    The two separate edits for which Vanamonde93 is crying foul are:

    • 'Allegation by media and Church organizations for a case involving a nun's rape and church vandalism': This case has gathered heavy mainstream attention and elections were fought over this issue calling it the tyranny by Hindu nationalist Sangh Parivar and BJP. The allegation by Vanamonde93 that the source only talks about "defaming a government and a country" is utter falsehood, as it specifically says, "Far from being a Hindutva foot soldier, as the CBCI, the media, commentators and the opposition had alleged, the man was a Muslim and, that too, a Bangladeshi!".
    • 'A certain talk show hosted by Tony Brown': This not so relevant in India, but for American Hindus, this incident's importance can be gathered by the documentation of this event in various books and journals. including the seminal Encyclopedia of African American History. WLS - AM 890 is a powerful and influential radio in US over 90 years old in which Brown expressed his anti-Hindu views.

    But, as this is an AE proceeding, the things I said about, which ideally should have been part of the discussions on the specific page's talk page discussion, are not relevant. This proceeding is a gross misuse of administrative privileges of Vanamonde93 which he uses to randomly targets well meaning Misplaced Pages users who do not tag his line. There has been two reverts by me (on two different days) and I have been careful of not violating any Misplaced Pages policy. So, instead of having a meaningful dialogue about why he considers there is WP:NPOV and absence of WP:V, Vanamonde93 jumps straight into threatening me of an AE proceeding (which to his credit he did). This is what (s)he's claiming to be constructive feedback, "blatant original research, non-neutral wording, and dodgy sources." without any specific instances or reasons.

    Highhandedness by Wiki moderators and administrators will only reduce the already waning credibility of Misplaced Pages in being neutral and welcoming of new editors and users. Crawford88 (talk) 05:20, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

    1. "Nun rape and church vandalism: The fringe is now mainstream". www.dailyo.in. Retrieved 2018-05-10.
    2. "Nun rape and church vandalism: Hindutva idea or land-grabbing technique?". www.dailyo.in. Retrieved 2018-05-10.
    3. "Christians Say They are Under Siege in India After Nun's Rape, Church Attacks". NDTV.com. Retrieved 2018-05-10.
    4. Today, Christian. "Christians Outraged at WB Nun Gang-rape, Vandalism of Haryana Church". Christian Today. Retrieved 2018-05-10.
    5. Kumar, M. Kumar R. (2009). Women Health, Empowerment and Economic Development: Their Contribution to National Economy. Deep & Deep Publications. ISBN 9788184501346.
    6. Finkelman, Paul; Wintz, Cary D. (2009). Encyclopedia of African American History, 1896 to the Present: From the Age of Segregation to the Twenty-first Century Five-volume Set. Oxford University Press, USA. ISBN 9780195167795.

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    DanaUllman

    As pointed out, this was a community sanction which replaced an expired or expiring ArbCom sanction. I will take it to ANI. Guy (Help!) 07:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Request concerning DanaUllman

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    JzG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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    DanaUllman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    I think DanaUllman should be sitebanned for violation of sanctions under Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. asks for help undeleting article on Dana Ullman, and immediately veers into characteristic apologia for homeopathy itself.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy
    2. Indefinite topic ban
    3. User talk:DanaUllman contains discussion of the scope of this ban, DanaUllman is well aware that it applies everywhere.
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    DanaUllman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a single-purpose account, he is, by admission, Dana Ullman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), a tireless promoter of homeopathy. He has made exactly one mainspace edit since his 2008 topic ban, and that was promoting a purveyor of bogus diagnostics, an article in the alternative medicine topic area and also potentially related to his business (he uses a radionics machine). He has been allowed to make comments regarding his own biography, but that has now been deleted.

    His edit history speaks for itself. The only time he strays from promoting homeopathy is when he is promoting himself. That is what he does off-wiki, as is his right. He has no such right here, and his editing history has been consistently problematic. The only topic in which he is interested, is one where he may not edit, and he has consistently tested and pushed beyond the boundaries of that ban. Guy (Help!) 20:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Statement by Spartaz

    this is the link for the closed discussion confirming the sanction. Curiously, the tban is a community sanction reimposing the arbcom tban. Buggered if I know whether its out of scope as a community not arbitration sanction or not. Spartaz 22:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by EdJohnston

    Per the 2012 Arbcom motion, it appears that Homeopathy sanctions were rolled into Pseudoscience. So this enforcement request should be handled as if it was asking for Pseudoscience enforcement. The 2012 motion was in effect dropping sanctions in some areas such as Gibraltar but for other topics, such as Cold Fusion and Homeopathy, it was reshuffling them under new headers. EdJohnston (talk) 01:05, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Result concerning DanaUllman

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    • To the extent that a violation of a community topic ban is alleged, AE does not enforce community sanctions. To the extent that enforcement of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy is requested, the request does not make clear which specific remedy of that decision is to be enforced here, and why.

      But to the extent that discretionary sanctions may be requested, I would support a topic ban from the topic of Dana Ullman to stop the attempts at self-promotion. Sandstein 06:48, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Icewhiz

    Editors directed to WP:RSN to discuss Chodakiewicz. GizzyCatBella directed to write Icewhiz's name properly and reminded that communications on the English-language Misplaced Pages need to be in English. --NeilN 13:18, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Icewhiz

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    GizzyCatBella (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced

    Misconduct in two matters subject to discretionary sanctions: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Eastern_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Editing_of_Biographies_of_Living_Persons

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    The editor acted in a troublesome manner by targeted removal of references to the particular historian (Marek Chodakiewicz - a living person) on 12 different E. Europe related articles. Seldom in a threshold of 2 minutes in between edits. These appear to be thoughtless edits in a sole purpose of removing the historian as a source.

    1. 05:02, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Invasion of Poland with hitting edit summary -> "not about the invasion itself, questionable author, doesn't seem to be used here"
    2. 07:00, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Cursed soldiers with beating edit summary -> "highly biased author making a very contentious claim - that should at the least be attributed, but probably doesn't merit inclusion"
    3. 07:02, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Cursed soldiers
    4. 07:04, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Soviet partisans with the unclear edit summary
    5. 07:06, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Soviet partisans with misleading edit summary -> "UNDUE"
    6. 08:19, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Peace of Riga
    7. 08:36, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Wąsosz pogrom
    8. 10:56, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Soviet partisans
    9. 11:08, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Peace of Riga
    10. 11:23, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Cursed soldiers
    11. 12:15, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Bielski partisans
    12. 12:20, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Przytyk pogrom with edit summary -> "Fringe view, not lede worthy, particularly since some of it is sourced to a bl"
    13. 12:26, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Przytyk pogrom
    14. 12:32, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Mokotów Prison
    15. 12:34, 8 May 2018 Removed source to interview with Chodakiewicz @ History of the Jews in 20th-century Poland
    16. 12:41, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Przytyk
    17. 13:07, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Vladimir Alganov
    18. 13:13, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Piotr Śmietański
    19. 13:29, 8 May 2018 Removed source to Chodakiewicz @ Peter Vogel (banker)


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    • User filed (@ least twice) a call for discretionary sanctions himself, latest on May 7, 2018 . Also several times commented , they are well informed of the sanctions.
    • Alerted also about discretionary sanctions in the other area of conflict
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    On March 8 the editor Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) started to make edits to the page of the living Polish historian Marek Chodakiewicz in a profoundly critical fashion. Edits continued until today. Then On May 8th, they went into a frenzy cruse removing any reference to Chodakiewcz from 12 separate Poland and the Holocaust articles under false or no valid justifications at all. GizzyCatBella (talk) 04:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


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    Statement by Icewhiz

    I have indeed been reviewing use of Chodakiewicz as a source - going over most of the uses of him on enwiki. Chodakiewicz is a highly WP:BIASED source (more below) even when writing in a peer-reviewed reviewed setting. While some of his writings have been published academically (in journals and more reputable publishers), much of what he writes is not published academically - varying from non-academic publishers, Polish newspapers of a particular bent, and his various blogs. I am willing to defend each and every one of those diffs if needed (and I'll note - GCB hasn't bothered to discuss) - in some cases I removed highly-biased statements that were made in Misplaced Pages's voice while representing a rather fringe view, in others I removed sourcing to blog posts, and in a few cases - I removed information that wasn't even in the cited source. It has been my impression that when editors resort to using a source such as Chodakiewicz - there are often other problems involved (both NPOV and V).

    As for Marek Jan Chodakiewicz -

    1. Besides being a historian, he's also a far-right activist.Newsweek 2017 For instance he's appeared in a rally of the far-right Ruch Narodowy and said: "We want a Catholic Poland, not a Bolshevik one, not multicultural or gay!".videoNewsweek.
    2. He's been covered by the SPLC (2009, 2017) and HopeNothate. Coverage in Newsweek.. You may read these for his views on gays, multiculturalism, Obama, genocide and whites in South Africa, Jewish communist collaboration, use of Rivers of blood, etc. Adam Michnik has gone so far as to compare his writings to the Protocols.
    3. In an academic setting, he's been described in a historiography source as the "most extreme spectrum in what is considered the contemporary mainstream ethnonationalist school of historical writing". You might see more with this search in these two books: . His recent book, Intermarium, as been described in a review in a peer reviewed journal as promoting the return of the pre-1772 Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and "there are conspiracies everywhere in this book".. Piotr Wróbel and Antony Polonsky have also critiqued him, with Wrobel saying "The book under review has a visible political agenda and is written in a language full of politically loaded key words. Everyone whose opinions are different than Chodakiewicz’s is a “pundit” (the author’s favorite word). Some, and this is really bad, are “leftist pundits." and "The Massacre is, in my opinion, difficult to read, unoriginal, irritating, and unconvincing" and Polonsky saying "It does not rise above the clichés of old-fashioned national apologetics" and "What is most striking about this book is the lack of empathy with those caught up in these tragic events.". I could go on.... Suffice to say that academic works by Chodakiewicz have been criticized quite a bit.

    Reviewing use of sources is what we do on Misplaced Pages - per WP:V, WP:NPOV. I submit that per WP:BIASED review of the use of Chodakiewicz is more than warranted, and obviously removing what doesn't pass WP:V - e.g. this diff GCB presents - in which we were ascribing to Chodakiewicz a claim he did not actually write in his political blog - is required per V policy as well and WP:BLP given we were falsely ascribing a statement to Chodakiewicz.Icewhiz (talk) 06:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Boomerang proposal: GizzyCatBella repeatedly introducing information from a self-published book by a questionable author that was refuted

    Note that the editor using GCB as a handle has admitted to editing as an IP as well - see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/GizzyCatBella - admission here and elsewhere. Editing as one of the IP's in GCB's range in April, GCB introduced the following - text and source. This was discussed as a source with GCB in Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland#Your Life is Worth Mine: How Polish Nuns Saved Hundreds of Jewish Children in German-occupied Poland, 1939-1945 - E. Kurek (where this didn't receive support). In conjunction, we also discussed Talk:Collaboration in German-occupied Poland#"only German-occupied European country" with death penalty - in which Poland being the only country with the death penalty for helping Jews was outright refuted. Ewa Kurek is mainly covered for making stmts such as "Polish author Ewa Kurek, has claimed that Jews had fun in the ghettos during the German occupation of Poland during World War II.". And does not hold a significant academic appointment.. So far - one use of a questionable source. However, GCB then added a self-published book (iUniverse) in a number different articles -

    1. Revision as of 12:08, 25 April 2018.
    2. Revision as of 12:11, 25 April 2018
    3. Latest revision as of 10:04, 8 May 2018.

    I'll also note, given the circumstances that Poeticbent Revision as of 13:19, 25 April 2018 also re-added Kurek.

    GCB has not discussed this at the relevant article talk page (complaining instead on the wall of text - see Talk:Irena Sendler#Use of Ewa Kurek as a source and Talk:The Holocaust in Poland#Use of Ewa Kurek as a source) - and instead has been reverting. Use of a WP:SPS is a clear no-go, when it is a questionable author as well, making a claim that has been clearly refuted - it is even less acceptable. Repeated reversions of this without discussion are WP:IDHT. In an area with discretionary sanctions - editors are supposed to adhere to Misplaced Pages policy on WP:RS and WP:V - which is clearly not the case in the diffs above.

    Note I did open a Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#The Holocaust in Poland: Ewa Kurek & Mark Paul after the last revert - however this shouldn't have gotten to this - an editor re-inserting a self-published book, by a questionable author, with a false claim, repeatedly - in a sanctioned area!Icewhiz (talk) 07:02, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Addendum - GCB has also been possibly WP:HOUNDING my edits - as might be see in the editor interaction tool. In particular their decision to WP:ILIKEIT !vote in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Darioush Rezaeinejad diff, Revision as of 04:49, 7 May 2018 which I nominated - which is their 4th AfD page edited - in a topic area (Iran) which GCB has not edited at all (or much at all) is quite telling.Icewhiz (talk) 07:13, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    They've also, in a manner that seems intentional, been using "Itzewitz" (and variations thereof - as opposed to my user name) to refer to me, going back almost a month. which seems disrespectful and possibly WP:NPA.Icewhiz (talk) 07:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Beyond My Ken

    The disputing editors should open a discussion on the Reliable sources noticeboard if they cannot come to a consensus on the talk page.BTW, not to say "I told you so", but in the recent ANI scuffle about this topic area, I suggested that all the warring editors should be topic-banned from these articles under ARBEE, but no one was interested in doing so. This is not going to stop, the positions are too entrenched, and it's eventually going to end up in a full-blown Arbitration case, simply because admins wouldn't take positive action to control the subject area. This calls into question the effectiveness of discretionary sanctions if no one is willing to utilize them. I believe this situation to be a rare case of the failure of effective administration. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:54, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Page restriction for infobox addition and infobox discussion at Stanley Kubrick

    User who is submitting this request
    Bishonen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility in infobox discussions#Standard discretionary sanctions

    I'm not sure whether page restrictions have ever been placed per the "Civility in infobox discussions" discretionary sanctions, so I thought I'd ask uninvolved admins here before I try it. There's been a long-running war about whether or not to have an infobox at Stanley Kubrick, with new discussions and "straw polls" erupting again and again on the talkpage, and with an infobox being repeatedly added to the article, and then promptly removed. The last explicit consensus on the matter (=no infobox) was back in 2015. I'm considering placing the following page restriction:

    "You must not start another infobox discussion here, nor add an infobox to the article, until the general infobox RfC is finished, or before 9 September 2018, whichever comes first, and are subject to discretionary sanctions while editing this page." Not an elegant sentence, but Template:Ds/editnotice is extremely constraining. (Note: mention of the general infobox RfC will be removed per below.)

    The template will also automatically add this text in smaller font: "An administrator has applied the restriction above to this page. This is due to an arbitration decision which authorised discretionary sanctions for pages relating to discussions about infoboxes and to edits adding, deleting, collapsing, or removing verifiable information from infoboxes. If you breach the restriction on this page, you may be blocked or otherwise sanctioned. Please edit carefully. Discretionary sanctions have been used by an administrator to place restrictions on all edits to this page. Discretionary sanctions can also be used against individual editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any Misplaced Pages policy and editorial norm. Before you make any more edits to pages in this topic area, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system and the applicable arbitration decision." And I thought I'd also add a comment from myself at the bottom of the page, to explain that if people break the restriction it's most likely because they haven't seen it (the top of the page is dominated in the usual way by a mass of, to me, uninteresting wikiprojects information that makes it unlikely anything else will be noticed or read, but I digress), and they shouldn't be dragged immediately to AE, but politely told about the restriction and asked to self-revert. Plus I'll also explain where to appeal against the restriction, namely, here on AE.

    My rationale is that we shouldn't abandon articles and contributors to endless bickering, but put the new discretionary sanctions to use, as I assume ArbCom intended when they set them. The general infobox RfC at the Village Pump has run into the sands and nobody seems up for closing it, which I don't wonder at. God, no. There was an unsuccessful attempt within that RfC to set a limit of six months for starting yet another infobox discussion on an article talkpage. As you can see, I'm offering a restriction of four months on Talk:Stanley Kubrick, where yet another straw poll has just started and been closed, after there was one in early April... Thoughts? Pinging Laser brain, who just posted an appeal for an infobox discussion break on Talk:Stanley Kubrick. Bishonen | talk 07:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC).

    • @Francis Schonken: but I'm only proposing it for Stanley Kubrick. I'll admit I hope it'll be the thin end of the wedge and lead to comparable page restrictions being placed on other articles with a troubled infobox history, but I'm not proposing it as a "default", nor do I have any notion very many articles will need any kind of infobox restriction. Note that my wording says "nor add an infobox to the article", which you have left out in both yours. It's quite an important part. For some other pages, with different histories and consensuses, one would presumably say "nor remove the infobox from the article". Also, I really want a date, rather than a generalized "within four months after a previous discussion mentioning that topic has been archived or formally closed", with its rich opportunities for lawyering. ('But it was closed by a non-admin!' 'But it was archived by a disruptive editor!') Also, the expiry parameter in your first suggestion doesn't work — I suppose the template doesn't have it. But I do appreciate the attempts to improve the wording. My proposal is certainly clumsy. (The template insists it must begin with "You" and end with "and are subject to discretionary sanctions while editing this page", so it's quite the Procrustean bed.) Bishonen | talk 09:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
    • @NeilN: I have to be frank: I'm not well-read enough in general infobox discussions (because I kind of can't stand reading them) to know whether infobox disruption is confined to IPs and SPAs. That's one of the reasons reason I'd rather not bundle an extended-confirmed restriction with the other stuff on Stanley Kubrick. Also, it's an ingenious idea that would certainly sort part of the problem, but wouldn't it more be a suggestion for the general Village Pump RfC? Have you considered adding it there? Or is that RfC considered defunct? I mean, nothing against Good Day's talkpage, but how widely read is it? Bishonen | talk 14:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
    • @Francis Schonken: The Village Pump RfC has been put out of its misery? Good. That'll make it simpler, since its closing statement is no help (not the closer's fault, that, for sure). Then I'll just say "You must not start another infobox discussion here, nor add an infobox to the article, before", uhh.. "10 September 2018, and are subject to discretionary sanctions while editing this page." Neat. A bit of luck it didn't get closed a few hours after I'd posted the restriction. Thanks for telling me. Bishonen | talk 16:20, 9 May 2018 (UTC).

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    Statement by Francis

    Don't know whether any of these variants would be less convoluted:

    • {{Ds/editnotice|1=should not start a new discussion on whether or not to include an infobox in this article,|topic=cid|expiry=9 September 2018}}
    • {{Ds/editnotice|1=should not re-initiate discussion on whether or not to include an infobox in this article within four months after a previous discussion mentioning that topic has been archived or formally closed,|topic=cid}}

    (the infobox of that particular article, mentioned in The Wall Street Journal two days ago, is way beyond a "default" option, that being the topic of the current RfC, so I wouldn't connect timing to that RfC) --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    @Bishonen: oops, sorry, was only trying to get rid of the awkward time management formulation – new suggestions:
    • {{Ds/editnotice|1=should not add an infobox to this article, nor start a new discussion on this talk page on whether or not to include an infobox in this article,|topic=cid|expiry=9 September 2018}}
    • {{Ds/editnotice|1=should not add an infobox to this article without consensus establised by a ] discussion, nor should you re-initiate discussion on this talk page on whether or not to include an infobox in this article within four months after any previous discussion mentioning that topic on this talk page has been archived or formally closed,|topic=cid}}
    ... or some such ... (omit the text in square brackets for Stanley's article). Anyway, support the initiative FWIW. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Bishonen: the infobox RfC is closed now, so your original wording (I mean, its proposed time-schedule) would be a non-starter when introduced now. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:30, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    Statement by Laser brain

    I think this is a good idea. I've informally requested on the article talk page that it be given a break multiple times, but there is no sign of a stoppage of the series of proposals. Good-faith editors who are completely unaware of the history stumbling onto the page are one thing, but Hentheden, byteflush, and Siliconred have each opened proposals in the last two months with full awareness of the rocky road the article's been on for several months. It is becoming disruptive and I'd like to see some calm on this page. --Laser brain (talk) 14:02, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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    • Sounds like a good use of DS to me. GoldenRing (talk) 09:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Bishonen, this may be more controversial but you (and other admins placing editing restrictions) may want to restrict who can start such discussions on certain articles. I suggested this here. There are people out there who use IPs and sock accounts who don't really care about infoboxes but will start arguments about them just to stir up drama and poke at certain editors. I'm not saying the extended-confirmed restriction should be automatically be bundled in with your restriction, but rather considered as an option for certain articles. --NeilN 13:40, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Bishonen: Probably impossible to get community consensus on this and admins have leeway to judiciously apply whatever restrictions they see fit. Note I'm not suggesting restricting newer editors from participating in re-litigation but just from starting discussions. I know I'll be adding that restriction if I apply moratoriums on discussions. --NeilN 14:51, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Commenting as an admin, this is exactly why we applied DS to the topic area. My only suggestion is that you don’t tie this to a specific RfC, which is somewhat arbitrary. I’d just do two or three months from the last discussion closure and leave it at that. ~ Rob13 15:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Bishonen: Agree with Rob but largely for pessimistic reasons: I don't think that a large community RfC is likely to definitively resolve this issue, and tying it to that is unlikely to be helpful down the road (where even if the community resolves one issue, another is likely to occur, as they tend to.) I would suggest something like No discussions may be initiated about an infobox for at least 90 days after the close of a previous discussion. I'm neutral on the EC requirement Neil suggests. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
      • Also, noting I saw the close after I read Bish's original proposal and Rob's response. Yeah, the RfC just reinforced the status quo, so I stand by my comment above. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
      • 90 days is way too short, IMO. We'd be having the same damn fuitful conversation four times a year. --NeilN 21:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
        • 180 days? 365 days? I don't particularly care, but I think it should be an ongoing DS and not just a one-off until September. This reminds me a bit of the Sarah Jane Brown RM where we did a 2 year moratorium. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
          • My thinking is September may be about the right time to try to do without the restriction — then, if the situation degenerates again, restore the restriction. After all, the infobox question isn't the heart and soul of the article; it's not like the kind of conflict that keeps Donald Trump eternally under page restrictions; people may conceivably forget the infobox issue once they've had a rest from it. But I'm not married to September, or any particular time. Bishonen | talk 22:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
            • Fair point, and its worth an initial try that way as this would be a first of it's kind. It's not exactly like page level restrictions are difficult to impose. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
          • (edit conflict) with Tony: And as for having the same footful (fateful?) conversation four times a year, NeilN, why should we? It's only because the very notion of a page restriction per the infobox case ds is new (to me at least) that I took it here in the first place; for the future it's the kind of thing I'd just do, as surely would most admins. Bishonen | talk 22:50, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
            • @Bishonen: We're talking about different conversations. Tony suggested a moratorium on article talk page discussions lasting 90 days. That would mean infobox discussions could start up four times a year. I would just apply a "fire and forget" restriction: New discussions cannot be opened until a year has passed after the close of the last discussion. --NeilN 22:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • OK, I'll close this soon, since I've received plenty of good advice; thank you all very much. I note that several people seem to prefer a time-scale something on the lines of "no infobox discussion until at least 90 days after a previous discussion has been archived/closed," rather than a set date. I just think a date is less susceptible to wikilawyering, per above. The disadvantage is that it will become obsolete, but, well, then it can be re-applied if still needed. I'd so much like to see a simple page restriction which needs no Kremlinology to interpret it, so I'm going with the set date to save all our nerves. Bishonen | talk 08:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC).
    • Theres a historic disapproval of arbitrators commenting at AE, but whatever: per my comment at your talk page, belated pile-on support for this appropriate use of infobox DS, and agree that a set date restriction is preferable. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:11, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

    GizzyCatBella

    Withdrawn by filer. Bishonen | talk 08:36, 10 May 2018 (UTC).
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    Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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    1. Revision as of 21:14, 25 March 2018 Icewhiz issued DS alert on ARBEE by other user.
    2. Revision as of 04:53, 9 May 2018 - GizzyCatBella files AE against Icewhiz for ARBEE.
    3. Latest revision as of 16:08, 9 May 2018 Icewhiz issued DS alert on ARBEE issue by GizzyCatBella.
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    1. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive230#GizzyCatBella - blocked for 72 hours for ARBEE.
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    (+given sanction +filed case on 9 May on ARBEE).

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    WP:POINTy DS alert in violation of alert.dup, particularly that given their own AE filing today - GizzyCatBella was asserting I was aware of the sactions.Icewhiz (talk) 16:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    In addition - this edit by GCB at 16:25, 9 May 2018 (concurrent to filing) is a BLP violation as well as contrary to Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 240#Holocaust history: Polish ambassador facebook post covered by wpolityce, and op-ed by Piotr Zaremba - consensus (by uninvovled editors) at RSN was that if this were to be included - it had to be attributed to the Polish ambassador in Poland - this is a right wing internet portal reporting on the Polish ambassador to Switzerland's facebook post - which is used to make a stmt in our voice on what Grabowski did - Subsequently, Grabowski acknowledged that his estimate was not the result of original research, but was based on referencing works of other historians, most notably Szymon Datner, and as reported by the Polish newspaper wPolityce: "Grabowski admitted that the number of 250,000 fugitives from the ghettos is based solely on his own estimates and selective treatment of Szymon Datner's works. Grabowski simply took into account the maximum number of escapes from the ghetto suggested by Datner, but he rejected his estimates of the number of survivors. According to Grabowski—if you subtract the number of survivors (in his opinion only 50,000 people) from the number of fugitives, you will get 200,000. Grabowski, therefore, stated that this was the number of Jews murdered by Poles.".Icewhiz (talk) 16:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Bishonen: - Had this been a simple mistake, I would not have filed. However in this case GCB filed a baseless AE complaint against me, claiming ARBEE awareness, and the after that AE was rejected issued a POINTy DS alert. Note they did not do this formality concurrent to the AE, but after. This is not a simple mistake - as either the AE filing was done in bad faith, or the alert was issued in bad faith. Since they had claimed correctly that I was aware of ARBEE due to me filing an ARBEE AE in 7 May 2018 against another user - they were well aware, at the very least, that I was aware until 7 May 2019. Finally, I submit that a user whose main contribution of late is getting blocked for edit warring on a sanctioned page, and making edits sourced to coverage of Facebook posts, Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#The Holocaust in Poland: Ewa Kurek & Mark Paul, Marek Jan Chodakiewicz (including political blogs), Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Leszek Pietrzak, and others - some of which were self published - is NOTTHERE for Polish/Jewish history - this is a NPOV and RS issue - however that is a harder case to make (mainly since it leads to a TLDR complaint) - then a clear alert.dup violation (after filing an AE claiming awareness) - the alert here was a clear duplicate - and at the very least there is a WP:CIR regarding policy and finding the previous alert (which is not that hard to find).Icewhiz (talk) 03:41, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
    I also add (not TLDR) - this diff on a BLP - Peter Vogel (banker) - which is a BLP violation (user was alerted BLP sanctions here). "World Politics Watch" (www.worldpoliticswatch.com - this seems defunct / taken over) does not fit WP:BLPSOURCES. The removal of the material was clearly marked with BLPSOURCES.Icewhiz (talk) 05:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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    Discussion concerning GizzyCatBella

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    Statement by GizzyCatBella

    I sincerely missed the previous alert that was given to Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and entered the template in good faith. I even wrote that I couldn't see it before inserting the alert template. I wrote:

    • I know you are aware of this but I couldn't find any record of you being properly informed about it in the past. So here you go, now it is official for easy reference.

    If I could find the alert and I knew that it had existed already I would refer to it yesterday -> I didn't because I couldn't find it and wrote this instead:

    • User filed (@ least twice) a call for discretionary sanctions himself, latest on May 7, 2018 . Also several times commented , they are well informed of the sanctions.

    It's evident that I honestly missed the alert when I was looking for it, and I was honestly thinking that I'm doing the proper thing. User Icewhiz instead has chosen to retaliate and possibly take revenge for me filing a complaint against him yesterday. He could have just told me about the fact that he already has been informed instead of coming here. I would remove the template. His hostile attitude is very troublesome.GizzyCatBella (talk) 17:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

    • PS to the "In addition" it refers to this conversation on the talk page and not to what they claim. This is what I wrote : I advise any uninvolved administrator taking a closer look at editing record of Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) at Poland related articles to have a proper judgment of the alarming conduct. Please let me know if it is mattering and you need to hear my further rationale. Thanks GizzyCatBella (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
    • @Admin. Additions to this report of bogus infringements resemble Icewhiz behavior while editing the articles. Stance ALWAYS uncompromised and threatening, changes radical, often turning the narrative of the articles by 180 degrees. Edit summaries are often misleading. If challenged, responds with walls of confusing text, full of "TLDR, BLP, ARBEE, RSN, PPP, WCH, PCHRT, etc." abbreviations to create an appearance of credibility. I invite you guys to have a look at his edit history if you have time and energy for this of course, if not I understand. Until last month I was excited that I can dedicate my free time to build this great project, but I have to tell you that my enthusiasm is slowly evaporating.GizzyCatBella (talk) 08:02, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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    Result concerning GizzyCatBella

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • Am I reading this right? Icewhiz, are you asking for GizzyCatBella to be sanctioned for giving you a discretionary sanctions alert when you had already been given one by another editor? The earlier alert was in March, I see. Seriously? Your quote "Any editor who issues alerts disruptively may be sanctioned" means people may be sanctioned if they issue alerts over and over. If they pester and harass you with them. Not for making a mistake once! I bet that has happened to lots of people. It happened to me last month. Please use common sense. I see you also bring up another diff in an "additional comment", but I have some trouble understanding that one. If that diff is actually the meat of your complaint, please try to reformulate it in a more pedagogical way. If it's not, you had better withdraw the complaint about the extra alert before an admin sanctions you for posting a "groundless or vexatious complaint", per the notice on this page. Bishonen | talk 22:30, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
    • Unhelpful report. It doesn't tell us what is supposed to be wrong with these alerts. The Grabowski stuff looks like a content dispute. I would take no action. Sandstein 05:54, 10 May 2018 (UTC)