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Indo-Aryan migration

Edits on this page Indo-Aryan migration have been reverted by many editors. I don't want to cross the 3RR limot nor I want to revert again. Notably, there is a set of usual editors have made baseless accusations and seem to be removing my content just because they don't like what I add. It's not just me, another editor Wiki841 too has reverted them and restored my edit.

In the interests of avoiding edit-warring, I request you protect the article. I don't simply want my preferred version to be protected, so whatever version you protect is up to you. I am open to discussion but they shouldn't falsely blame me of copyright violation and outdated translation when there is none. They also keep using Misplaced Pages policies like WP:SOAPBOX which have nothing do with my edits. I suggest you tell them to discuss and prove themselves first and not make bad-faith baseless accusations. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 22:27, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I want the ban removed

Hi, I want the ban removed as I never added unsourced material to any of the articles. May I know how I can appeal? Sharkslayer87 (talk) 11:03, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

  • (talk page watcher) @Sharkslayer87: In fact, the template at the bottm of your talk explains everything you need to know...I advise though, that appealing the TB ten minutes after it was placed has a 100% chance of not being successful, I'm afraid. Try editing elsewhere for a few months, be productive, non-controversial, and then this can be revisiyed with more chance of success, perhaps. Just FYI. —SerialNumber54129 11:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi, Sharkslayer87. I have not banned you for adding unsourced material, but for using poor sources, and/or making claims unsupported by your sources, despite warnings and advice. The place you can appeal is the administrators' noticeboard. But Serial Number 54129 gives you good advice: you'll have a better chance of a successful appeal if you edit uncontroversially in other areas for a few months first. Bishonen | talk 11:23, 1 May 2018 (UTC).

Hi, Bishonen, I apologize if I did disruptive editing. But I beg you to understand me. I never added poor sources. My sources are genuine. The below two sources really provide synonymity between Raju and Kshatriya. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/Kanumuri-Bapiraju-faces-uphill-task-in-Narsapuram/articleshow/33795850.cms https://books.google.com/books?id=oQOF7tkWXjIC&pg=PA98&dq=kshatriyas+rajus&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD-s67t4PaAhWGxFkKHcyxBUY4FBDoAQhUMAk#v=onepage&q=kshatriyas%20rajus&f=false.

The first source says "Rajus (Kshatriya)" and the second source clearly says "The rajus are a small, close-knit community of the Kshatriya caste"

These are the sources that I used. I also used Edward Evan Evans-Pritchard who is considered by many as one of the greatest social anthropologists ever. He has more than a hundered thousand results at google scholar and he has been cited by thousands and thousands of scholars. “The Raju caste, classified as the Kshatriya or warriors among the Twice-born castes, is the second highest in the village. The Raju are descendants of former rulers of the area and though their wealth and influence has declined they still bestow patronage in the form of land, money and political connections. Several Raju families have Shudra and Harijan field laborers attached to them by yearly agreements”.

He states in no uncertain terms that Rajus are classified as Kshatriyas.

Please kick me out if you want but please don't say that my sources are not good. I have never added bad sources. All my sources have been good. I might have been a little aggressive in my editing for which I apologize but I never used poor sources. Sharkslayer87 (talk) 11:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Sharkslayer87, since you have already appealed at WP:AN as well, I'll leave the community to deal with it. Bishonen | talk 14:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC).


Information icon There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Sharkslayer87 (talk) 12:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at WP:AN regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Sharkslayer87 (talk) 12:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Hmmm, Bish and Writ Keeper, this doesn't seem to have been logged. Think the block is fine as they were notified, but noticed the lack of paperwork and all when I was looking at the AN thread. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:49, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
    Probably, I know I forgot. I'll do the paperwork. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
    Now logged; I think Bish was a good bean and had already logged the topic ban. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:53, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
    Oh, I got my respective South Asian discretionary sanctions log pages mixed up, sorry Bish. I should head over to BN, I suppose... TonyBallioni (talk) 13:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
    Yeah, the community bans are so much rarer than arbcom bans that it can get confusing when one is applied, especially because they are also called "discretionary sanctions". But even though we now have arbcom ds for India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, which of course cover caste as well, it's somehow rather pleasing to have a special thing for caste disruption. It tends to be so... disruptive, and there are always new caste warriors arriving to tell us they're descended from kings. Bishonen | talk 14:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC).
    My "favorites" are those who try to add their descent from various gods as a fact. Yes, my great-great-...great-grandfather was actually Vishnu! --NeilN 14:24, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Kind talkpage stalkers ahoy

Oh, dammit. I've been trying to fashion a bright red obnoxious box to post at the top of Talk:Ghirth, with the text "This page is for civil discussion of improvements of the page Ghirth. Caste glorification, attacks on living people, and other irrelevant material will be removed." It's supposed to be used as a last-ditch attempt to manage without semiprotection of that talkpage, which is currently at the mercy of clueless inexperienced caste warriors expressing their frustration at being unable to "improve" the semi-protected main page. Check it out, especially the stuff that Utcursch has removed. So, I have some boxes, that I've been trying to adapt, but it's bloody impossible. I probably keep missing out some really important dot or curl. Would a clever talkpage stalker like to create one for me? How about you, RexxS? NeilN ? Bishonen | talk 20:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC).

TonyBallioni obliged, I made it a bit more obnoxious. --NeilN 20:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Lovely stream today in the picture, Bish. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
I love you guys! Bishonen | talk 20:56, 1 May 2018 (UTC).
Nice work folks! I wanted to add "... as will all posts from any editor who has a deity anywhere in their family tree" but eventually I managed to suppress the impulse. --RexxS (talk) 21:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Hehe. Utcursch has also pointed out that we have the template {{Not a forum}}, I suppose I may use that another time. The angry warning is cooler and more obnoxious, though. Bishonen | talk 22:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC).
Strictly, the talk page should be empty by now :) —SerialNumber54129 03:36, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Young Luna, my plan with asking for a box was in fact to follow it up with blanking the talkpage. But then I felt hampered by the fact that Utcursch and another user have answered the SPAs in good faith, telling them things that they might conceivably benefit from. I doubt it, going by experience, but it's possible. And blanking Utcursch himself seemed just rude. Did you see this gem btw? The name mentioned, and indeed the account name, probably refers to the author of the main academic source for the article, just with a spelling/transcription variation for the first name. I thought of asking for oversight, but with the different spelling.. nah, bah. Bishonen | talk 08:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC).
That comment was rather out of line, so I've gone through the page history and applied some revdel. Better safe than sorry. And FTR I prefer the angry warning; the other one gets ignored basically always. Vanamonde (talk) 11:31, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, it was pretty specialist stuff! —SerialNumber54129 11:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2018).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

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Arbitration

Obituaries

  • Lankiveil (Craig Franklin) passed away in mid-April. Lankiveil joined Misplaced Pages on 12 August 2004 and became an administrator on 31 August 2008. During his time with the Wikimedia community, Lankiveil served as an oversighter for the English Misplaced Pages and as president of Wikimedia Australia.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:05, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

I just wanted to personally thank you for your comments on the unblock request. 331dot (talk) 17:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, 331dot. I think you did right to reject the appeal, though I was ready to leave it to you. 24 hours isn't much, and I hope he uses them to review 3RR and dispute resolution. The "Shakespeare authorship question" is also under some of our less known discretionary sanctions. Bishonen | talk 18:20, 4 May 2018 (UTC).

Grawp,

who was? Sounds vaguely familiar.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Grawp is User:JarlaxleArtemis. If you click on the username, it'll take you to his Long-term abuse page. Bishonen | talk 22:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC).

My pages

Thank you all for your recent vigilance on my user and talk pages. Much appreciated. There are some very odd and bored people around. Giano (talk) 12:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

(Bishzilla sticks the little Giano in her pocket for safekeeping and cakes.) bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 16:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC).
That won’t be necessary, thank you Mrs Bisonen. I am in town for the Royal Wedding, although quite why that silly Harry is marrying some American thespian of very odd and vocal family, when my own beautiful and very well bred daughter, Muriel, is still completely untouched by human hand, I cannot imagine. So I am very well placed to care for darlingest Giano. I cannot think what the world is coming to; I blame Donald Trump and Wallis Simpson. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 21:24, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Without a doubt, two of the great villains of history. Your obedient servant... -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
(Probably much more suitable and could even have had a Eurovision tie-in)? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Indeed, you are quite right Mr Evans. While I admit poor Muriel's brain is mostly in the heavens, her breeding is impeccable and when scrubbed up, sh is almost pretty. The people don't want a royal family who lectures them on rocket science, feeding the starving millions and developing their bodies. I can't help wondering if Ms Markle has not been sent by Mr Trump to undermine the Establishment. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Absolutely. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC) p.s. did you know that Prince Phillip was, in fact, a giant lizard?
(feel free to add suitable caption)
How interesting, and no I didn't know that. But it doesn't surprise me because the Battenburgs are riddled with morganatic marriages. Whenever the hands of my daughters have been requested, I have always insisted on 16 quarterings, just to be on a safe side. Once one has a reptile in the family, short of charging the public to view it, there is little one can do. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 18:12, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Hey, if American politicians can hook up with alien lifeforms, why can't English monarchs marry safely terrestrial lizards? RivertorchWATER 19:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Captions

Darwin not in younger days
Reptilian shapeshifter
  1. David Bowie's maternal grandfather Charles "Ziggy" Knight scratches behind the ears of his pet dinosaur Stega Tom. Floquenbeam talk, 23:06, 10 May 2018‎ (UTC).
  2. Bishzilla..? It's lovely to meet you, but I figured you taller! Bishonen | talk 10:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC).
  3. "I've had to wait 150 million years to get this hip done, and I've still got very restricted movement." Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
  4. The inevitable evolution of Darwinfish and Darwinbish has resulted in...DarwinBishZilla! Tex (talk) 13:07, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
    @Tex: I suppose that's Darwin himself (in younger days) in the picture, admiring the sensational new Darwincreature? Bishonen | talk 20:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC).
  5. While the debate over the metabolism of dinosaurs rages on, all members of the House of Windsor are known to be homeothermic, as are their knights. Shown here: an atypical knight in atypical armour. RivertorchWATER 19:23, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
    I can assure you Mr Rivertorch that there is nothing homoerotic about the British Royal Family. I am fully aware that one has these gay people in all walks of society being gay and whatnot, but not in the Royal Family. Edward II, William of Orange and the Duke of Clarence were most likely all adopted, and the rumours concerning my own artistic brother, during his Capri period, are completely unfounded. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 20:02, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
    Thank you very much for clarifying, Lady Catherine. Got to love the atypical armour of their knights, though! Bishonen | talk 20:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC).
  6. "My mind to your mind" Jytdog (talk) 20:18, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
    ""To me, to you" .... The Chucklingosaurus Brothers.
  7. "The little-known origin of the reptilians, was this forbidden love" Jytdog (talk)
    Was or not was? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC) :
  8. "The bleeding from the stump of his left wrist was finally staunched, and the brave dinosaur whisperer recommenced his efforts." Jytdog (talk) 20:39, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
  9. "Purrrrrr" Jytdog (talk) 20:39, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
    Gott im Himmel, Jytdog. We do seem to have struck a vein here. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
    Well, duh! After all, veins have layers, layers are chickens, chickens are birds, birds are dinosaurs. Basic logic, isn't it? If you doubt this, go ask Alice; I think she'll know. RivertorchWATER 23:16, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
    I'll probably wait 'til she's ten feet tall. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  10. How does your new head feel? Personally, I think Dr. Frankenstein sent us the wrong size. Dr. K. 20:54, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
  11. David Icke, moments before he was bitten by the monster. - Sitush (talk) 00:42, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  12. Wikipedian at ANI. —SpacemanSpiff 01:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  13. As he hesitantly tried to establish some form of communication, he wondered why he had ever agreed to go on this blind date. Jytdog (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    After 150 million years, thanks so much for a lorra lorra laffs. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
  14. "If you stop petting me, I will set your hair on fire". Jytdog (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
  15. "Few people knew that it was upon the spine of the Stegosaurus that Rev D'Arcy styled his arse-crack haircut". Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
  16. "Ah, how I think of thee when I fondle my tiny monster". Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:25, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

The caption contest is over

The caption contest is over, and young Martinevans123, who provided the image and the invitation to caption it, is invited to crown the victor. Bishonen | talk 19:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC).

Recuse, naturally. This isn't the BAFTAs you know. luvvie. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
(Disgruntled) Edit conflict! Little Martinevans much too fast for important cautionary hint from Bishzilla! HINT HINT careful crown right person! Little User:Jytdog caption king! No recusing! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 19:56, 13 May 2018 (UTC).
CROWN NOW!! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 19:56, 13 May 2018 (UTC).
ROARRRR!!! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 19:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC).
Such a demanding dinosaur! Martinevans might be on the pooper for all we know, oh great impatient fearsome monster. Please pity our human frailities. Or he may be eating an icecream cone in the sunshine, away from glowing screen. While I do appreciate the nod for my effort, the best should win, with no claws on the scale. :) Jytdog (talk) 20:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Very well. Bishzilla crown little user herself. bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 20:13, 13 May 2018 (UTC).
"A charming caption, painted in glowing pastels, I feel Jytdog has really captured the Zeitgeist here, in a personally moving and yet wistfully lambent caption-for-the-everyman-on-the-Cheltenham Spa-Omnibus. My heart sings. I crown a worthy winner." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Which one captured the Zeitgeist? The reptilians, was it? All right then! Right on topic, there won't be a Nobel prize for literature this year, so Jytdog's caption prize gains all the more weight. Bishonen | talk 20:30, 13 May 2018 (UTC).
I learned a new word today! This is what I love about Misplaced Pages -- it is such a wonderful place to get yourself educationalized. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 22:36, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Acroteriobatus
"A woman needs a fish like Eric Clapton needs a bicycle"
The word has a way of showing up in a certain kind of book review - I can find no better example than this from the Guardian: "Refreshingly different . . . exhilarating . . . a compulsively readable, life-affirming tale told in direct, lambent prose, and Chait does a masterful job of juxtaposing a traditional African setting with a convincing depiction of a far-future alien society." They left out lyrical and luminous: one has to use a lot of adjectives beginning with L in a review. Acroterion (talk) 22:55, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Acroteriobatus, or whatever you call yourself, I find your laconic locution a little lamentable, not to say rather laden with lacrimatory laziness and leering lampoonery. --Leeds Varieties 123 (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
I always thought I was some kind of Greek gargoyly thingum on the corner of a roof, bit a lesser guitarfish is even better. There's also the R review genre: "A roistering, rumbustious romp ..." Acroterion (talk) 21:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Closed captions, you say? EEng 21:15, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Infobox Mess starts up on Kubrick article AGAIN

Hello, I have seen your comment on Cassianto's talk page "Please feel free to alert me on my page if you should see new infobox discussions being started where there's already a recent consensus." On Talk:Stanley Kubrick an editor has just started a "Straw Poll" on whether or not an infobox should be included when the last of numerous such discussions was closed on 4 April.Smeat75 (talk) 21:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

But is there a recent consensus, Smeat75? The hidden edit-mode-only topnote in the article refers to a consensus against infoboxes from 2015. I asked Cass, in the comment you mention, if there was any more recent consensus, but he didn't reply. The discussion you mention was closed by Ritchie333 on 4 April with the comment "This is going nowhere. At least wait for the main Infobox RfC to finish and let the matter settle; doing it right after an Arbcom case is counter-productive." So, would you, or somebody, like to link me to this "main Infobox RfC" so I can take a look? If it's still not finished, I agree it's too soon to start a straw poll on Talk:Stanley Kubrick. Sorry to be ignorant, but I'm trying to learn. Bishonen | talk 21:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC).
OK, it's hard for me to act without information. I've been reading this page to try to learn what main infobox RfC Ritchie was talking about, but all I see is arbs complaining that there isn't such an RfC. So does it not exist? Re-pinging @Smeat75 and Ritchie333: I'd like to help, but I'll be going to bed soon. Still, tomorrow is another day. Bishonen | talk 22:24, 8 May 2018 (UTC).
The Rfc-in-question, is at the Village Pump policy page. It's been stale for a while & has yet to be closed. GoodDay (talk) 22:27, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Nisus and Euryalus (1827): an early depiction of chiropractic by Jean-Baptiste Roman (Louvre Museum)
I think Ritchie333 must have meant the RfC on infoboxes at the Village pump , not one on the Kubrick article specifically, where there is no consensus. Never mind. This bickering is obviously just going to go on forever (even gets a long article about it in the Wall St Journal).Smeat75 (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you both. I can most heartily understand the reluctance to close that. All right, so we're on our own at Talk:Stanley Kubrick. I'll try to craft a page restriction. Not sure whether that has ever been done per the "Civility in infobox discussions" discretionary sanctions, so I'll run it by WP:AE first. Though not tonight, as Misplaced Pages is down, up, down, up, down for me — it took 10 minutes just to get this posted. Good night. Bishonen | talk 22:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC).
(talk page stalker) I've tried to summarise the previous debates and suggested a rest from the topic for a while. It might be enough to give the regulars a bit of a break, but if not, a page restriction carefully crafted to include a threat of incineration by Bishzilla ought to do the trick. --RexxS (talk) 00:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Bishzilla is with uncharacteristic timidity proposing a page restriction on AE. Clearly she has the discretion and the roarr factor to just impose it, now that we have discretionary sanctions, but I suppose she wants advice. Bishonen | talk 07:57, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
There's a general opposition to arbitrators posting at AE, so I'll add a comment here that a) the DS are there to be used, and b) as someone entirely uninvolved with the article, the Stanley Kubrick page seems a good example of where they might reasonably be applied. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:05, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Young Euryalus perhaps need sock for posting at those boards! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 09:18, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
Syracuse isn't registered as a username, fwiw. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:10, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
@Euryalus: I was surprised to find that User:Nisus seems to be available as well. --RexxS (talk) 14:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey Bish, I did the paperwork for the restriction. , The editnotice is especially important as Arbcom won't consider a restriction as valid unless one is present. --NeilN 13:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, an editnotice as well? Thanks very much, NeilN, I didn't realize. I haven't applied a page restriction before — indeed, I tend to dislike the regular "consensus required" and "1RR" restrictions, having seen the kinds of "gotcha" filings they give rise to. That's why I was so keen to have a really simple infobox restriction. And now we wait to see what kinds of wikilawyering it'll invite, because, for sure, nothing is ever really simple. Bishonen | talk 15:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC).
Yes, it makes sense as a bold editor might unknowingly break a restriction because they haven't read the talk page. --NeilN 15:48, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
It does make sense, sure. Bishonen | talk 15:56, 10 May 2018 (UTC).
This seems simple enough, stable for years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Not sure what you're getting at here. If there's no prolonged dispute then editing restrictions aren't needed. --NeilN 16:18, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
I replied to "nothing is ever really simple" (further up, edit conflict), by mentioning an exception, wishing it could be the rule. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Ah, okay. But I've found sometimes mentioning simple things on highly watched pages suddenly makes things less simple :-) --NeilN 16:27, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
I might want to reply but was trained successfully (by restriction) to leave it at 2 comments per discussion. The simple case was on my mind because his birthday is coming up, and I think TFA would be nice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Bish. Not wanting to ping the very people who've nurtured behaviour like this for the fear of harassing them (even though, IMO, they should be held accountable for the continuing bad behaviour on this subject) the editor of the edit I linked to evidently ignored the politely put hidden comment in the edit screen, asking for the box not to be uncollapsed, and they went ahead and uncollapsed it anyway. It is this type of pig-headed, rude, selfish and ignorant behaviour that is disruptive. Could you make this clear to them? Cassianto 22:06, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    Added and logged obnoxious note. Editors still have to be notified appropriately before action can be taken. --NeilN 22:24, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
    Thanks, Neil. I've done the alert but not obnoxiously (I must be getting old and tired of the strife). Here's hoping, Cassianto, that you'll be able to get back to your usual productive self now. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Er, Neil, shouldn't your obnoxious box be on talk also? Thanks for not pinging the committee, Cassianto. There's hardly ever a good reason for pinging the lot of them as individuals, IMO. I note the user in question didn't even use an edit summary for his uncollapse. That's odd.. no, it isn't really, because he hardly ever does use edit summaries. I'm going to put a note on his page about it. Bishonen | talk 10:35, 15 May 2018 (UTC).
  • Posting a talk page notice is optional. I thought about it, and decided in this instance, sticking an obnoxious note on the talk page for one specific template parameter restriction is overkill. What do you think?
  • Not sure. It's clearly a parameter that people feel strongly about. And I can understand them: the infobox is pretty big and ugly, sticking down below the lead. Anyway, they do feel strongly. I wish there was a better way of collapsing an infobox, something that would make it easier for the reader to unfold it. We're used to looking for the tiny "show" link, but most readers presumably are not. Bishonen | talk 18:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC).

Sill, glad to know that re-litigating an idiotbox discussion and edit warring is something that ArbCom will frown on. How about re-opening a discussion less than 24 hours after another discussion had been closed, then adding the box back after 11 days, while the RfC is still open? Excellent news that ArbCom managed to sort all that mess out then. Once again I suspect that if the re-litigating and edit warring had been to remove the box, rather than force it back in, all hell would have broken out and it would have been ANI, blocks or ArbCom to ensure punishment was meted out. - SchroCat (talk) 12:59, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Bish, you can obviously handle this however you want but I won't be looking at any complaints that use the term "idiotbox". Completely fed up with that nonsense. --NeilN 18:43, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
No, I don't like it either. A lot has happened in the last few hours, but please don't stoke the flames further, SchroCat. Bishonen | talk 22:31, 15 May 2018 (UTC).
NeilN: Its a word: get over it (and after you've takenthe publishers of For Dummies to task, I'll take it more seriously). Personally I get completely fed up with people opening an idiotbox thread the day after it's been closed, then edit warring to force it back in while the RfC is still open. I guess the use of an inoffensive word is soooo much more disruptive than the continual re-litigating until the IB warriors get their own way, but I've seen so many gutter tactics used that I guess mileage varies. - SchroCat (talk) 22:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
@SchroCat: As the Arbcom case was named "Civility in infobox discussions" and there was a finding of fact regarding baiting, I don't think I will "get over it". Admins can now take action to curb the disruption you describe. They can also take action to curb the baiting you self-servingly describe as "inoffensive". --NeilN 23:04, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I am not baiting, so please don't try to smear me again (and given the near-trolling by one user at the previous clarification thread, I would have thought that disapprobation should be directed in that direction, not towards something that doesn't even reach the level of For Dummies). Either way, I see no actual action being taken in the case I've highlighted. An editor has acted unilaterally to re-litigate a closed case and force back in what was agreed to look out, and yet no actual action. Still, if you think venting at me is a good use of time and effort, there's little I can do about it. - SchroCat (talk) 23:11, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018

Information icon Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Brexit. Such edits are disruptive, and may appear to other editors to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Bettering the Wiki (talk) 03:07, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Goodone121, you really shouldn’t template an administrator who was enforcing policy (or any regular user for that matter.) besides, using Twinkle on Bish means you miss the nature pictures. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:14, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
to TonyBallioni, 1. I didn't know Bish was an Admin.
2.I normally use templates, as my Aspergers Syndrome Autism means I do not write too well.
3. The main thrust was on-topic (even though the recommended wording was unencyclopedic), so IMHO, WP:NOTAFORUM isn't implicated.
P.S. I didn't use Twinkle, but the default editing interface. Bettering the Wiki (talk) 03:34, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh, you got to see the nature picture then :)I got pinged before I could place a note on your talk page, but in the interest of keeping this together I'll be brief here: a 19,000 byte rant by an IP on a talk page that involves serial quotations and discusses how we are going to be judged based on our reporting of an article may not fall within the exact boundaries of NOTAFORUM, but it certainly falls within the spirit of it. If you don't like that, try the spirit of WP:SOAP, if that fails WP:DE and if all else fails WP:IAR.Re: templating I appreciate that you may have other conditions that affect the way you interact with others. That's fine, but we have plenty of editors who are somewhere on the spectrum, and while learning the social norms of this only community can be more difficult for them than it may be for other editors, they tend to get along fine eventually. A brief note saying "Hey, why did you remove this?" would have done the trick and encouraged communication. Templates have a place, but that place usually isn't communicating with experienced users ​ TonyBallioni (talk) 03:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Tony. I have already written to Goodone121 on their talkpage, as I had no way of knowing the person here on my page, with a totally different sig, was the same editor that had reverted me. Please see WP:SIG, Goodone121: "A customised signature should make it easy to identify the username, to visit the user's talk-page, and preferably user page." Anyway, I was concerned about your revert, not because you reverted an admin, but because you reverted a user who had given an ample explanation of their edit, and your revert gave no explanation at all. Do you have an excuse for that? Bishonen | talk 08:38, 12 May 2018 (UTC).

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Possible sock

Hello Bishonen, can you please take a look at Ashishdpune who appears to be a possible sock of Koltepatil2017 (talk · contribs) you blocked in February (Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Kolte Patil). Thank you GSS (talk|c|em) 07:11, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, if it's not a sock, it's a meatpuppet. I've blocked, and deleted the article. Thanks for creating the SPI, GSS. Bishonen | talk 11:18, 16 May 2018 (UTC).
Thank you for looking at this and I doubt it was created by one of their employee per this Linkedin profile. GSS (talk|c|em) 11:54, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

German war effort arbitration case opened

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Please note that I have moved one of your comments to a separate section per the usual structure at arbitration case pages; threaded discussion is not allowed and an arb has asked that we enforce this strictly here. GoldenRing (talk) 10:19, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

TFA talk page moved

+ a user page: - (any) admin needed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

was fixed, thanks all who did --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:Carousel

Module:Carousel has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

And you're invited to not be a busybody. What a pointless nomination. Bishonen | talk 03:00, 25 May 2018 (UTC).
Well; that seems to be going the way of all things  :) —SerialNumber54129 18:14, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

ANI

You are not yet mentioned but your block may be raised following this at ANI. - Sitush (talk) 17:51, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

You don't think you should raise my block yourself, Sitush? It's pretty recent, and blocks for ridiculousness aren't common. Bishonen | talk 18:48, 29 May 2018 (UTC).
Not common enough perhaps  ;) —SerialNumber54129 18:52, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Don't be ridiculous. - Sitush (talk) 19:02, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

SitushTheBrahminbazturd

Care to do the honours with SitushTheBrahminbazturd (talk · contribs) ? - Sitush (talk) 23:38, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I fixed the link and it shows that the user has been indeffed. Johnuniq (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Ha. Brahminbazturd? You should add that compliment to your userpage. Bishonen | talk 08:45, 30 May 2018 (UTC).
Yep. I am trying to recall whether I have ever known a Barry ("Baz") Turd. They will be back: long-term block evading sock. - Sitush (talk) 11:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
SitushTheBrahminbazturd is a super-sobriquet. The 'best' I ever received was "feminized nebbish" (he thought I was man), but it pales into insignificance. I file my brickbats as a special subsection in my talk archives. Modesty forbids me from adorning my user page with them . Voceditenore (talk) 12:05, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Meatfarm

Hi Bishonen.

You created Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/India Against Corruption sock-meatfarm. I have searched the Internet for a definition of "meatfarm" and all I get is thousands of references to places where livestock is raised; as an internet term, it appears to be uncommon and obscure, even when I use the search string "meatfarm internet slang." What do you mean by this term?

Thanks. — O'Dea (talk) 15:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

A collection, "drawer", or "farm" of meatpuppets. Compare the common expression (on Misplaced Pages, at least) sockfarm. Bishonen | talk 16:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC).

Administrators' newsletter – June 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018).

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  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Misplaced Pages in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
  • There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
  • It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.

Arbitration

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Autoconfirmed games

Just a heads up. Randfal2 popped up on my watchlist making 20+ single character edits at Misha Frid. I noticed TurnPike37 doing the same thing with a bit more subtlety elsewhere last night. I suppose they may simply be really obsessive about, yet not very good with, grammar but I bet they will be less concerned after they hit 500 edits. Jbh 16:05, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention, Jbhunley. Randfal2's little edits are mostly bona fide corrections, or at least reasonable expressions of comma fanaticism. (Though this one is simply wrong, and I just reverted it. A more careful look would probably find more like that.) Also, you notice they've been editing in exactly the same way for six months, which makes extended confirmed gaming inherently unlikely, I'd say. Those gamers are normally in more of a hurry. I'm more inclined to be suspicious of TurnPike, who made all their edits today. (!) That's a comma fanatic in a hurry. (How do you mean, "more subtlety"?) Anyway, I'll try to keep an eye out. Bishonen | talk 18:27, 2 June 2018 (UTC).
Thanks for taking a look. TurnPike was only doing 3-4 rather than 30 edits on a page … not subtle, just more subtle than 20 Jbh 20:09, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Somebody like this?
Arrgh. I've just reverted two more: They think an Arts Centre is "based on a farmhouse" not "based in a farmhouse". Then there's the subtler one which changes "The Open University's headquarters are in the Walton Hall district, though because this is a distance learning institution, the only students resident on campus are approximately 200 full-time postgraduates." to "The Open University's headquarters are in the Walton Hall district, though, because this is a distance learning institution, the only students resident on campus are approximately 200 full-time postgraduates." The comma after Walton Hall district actually should be a semicolon because it's a run-on sentence. Somebody needs to ask Randfal2 to get the sense of what is being edited, rather than applying generalised rules indiscriminately. --RexxS (talk) 18:46, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Somebody like you, young Dino? bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 18:58, 2 June 2018 (UTC).
Not me, sorry. I've finally reached the end of my tether with this place. The sheer stupidity demonstrated at Peter Southwood's RfA has convinced me it's no longer worth the effort. --RexxS (talk) 20:00, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I know. Still, currently at 73%. I think he'll make it. Bishonen | talk 20:51, 2 June 2018 (UTC).

Luxury

  • Could the "home collection" be the collection and absorbance of drips that might arise, or rather fall, in the home? Could the "home collection" be the collection and absorbance of drips that might arise, or rather fall, in the home?
  • "Writing instruments": Oh yes, tools to stick in one's top pocket. "Writing instruments": Oh yes, tools to stick in one's top pocket.

I'd always thought it was a sensation one enjoyed. But this and the like have reminded me that it's instead merely things that demonstrate that income tax should be more progressive.

Er, where was I? Yes, conversion from "watch" to "timepiece" made me chuckle. Looking more closely at the article in question than I'd done in years, I found it was even worse than I'd vaguely imagined. For one thing, there are a lot of "Citation needed" flags that have been in place since 2012. Should one let the article stew in its obsequious juices, or apply editorial leeches to drain these out? -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Can you even say "luxury" nowadays without a fake Yorkshire accent? Also, even Cartier's own site calls them "watches". I've fixed the "writing instruments"; guess what they are? Come on, guess! But the "home collection" defeats me. I can't imagine what it is. Alarm clocks? Napkin rings? Bishonen | talk 23:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC).
Ah yes. . . . Hoary (talk) 01:06, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
": Appointment as official purveyor to King of . ". Again and again and again. Did the nob in question buy anything? Even if we have evidence that he/she did buy some bauble, is this remotely encyclopedic? -- Hoary (talk) 01:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Sometime in the 70s there was some fuss about vendors falsely claiming the ol' "By appointment to Her Majesty the Queen" distinction. One such was a manufacturer of hernia trusses. I clearly remember a palace spokesman saying, "What on earth would the Queen do with a truss?" EEng 02:10, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

JuanRiley, long-time stalker and block evader

I'm afraid that I'm being stalked by an editor that has been blocked since November 10, 2016 by the name of JuanRiley. Even after being blocked this editor began creeping up on the talk page of his blocked account, then eventually mine twice one in May 15 and this one being recent as of today (yesterday). And if you look at these IP's they all begin with "75.161." and they all come from New Mexico . This is really worrisome because apart that he was a troublesome editor, more than anyone I or anyone had dealt with, the fact that this editor has always been stalking my edits and talk page to a personal level even after being blocked is really frightening. (N0n3up (talk) 04:30, 3 June 2018 (UTC))

I'm sorry the IP range is a bit too big to block, N0n3up. I can semiprotect your page if you like. Bishonen | talk 09:44, 3 June 2018 (UTC).
Yes, that would be great. At least temporarily till JuanRiley gets tired of stalking me, since I sometimes get messages from IP's as well. (N0n3up (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC))
N0n3up, sorry, I missed your reply, and I haven't protected your page. On the other hand, nobody has bothered you on it since June 1. Shall I leave it? Bishonen | talk 20:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC).

Self requested block

Can you please block me with the expiration of the block being on the 19th of June? I have a series of important tests I must take and I wish not to be distracted. Thanks, 💵Money💵emoji💵 19:05, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Money emoji. Have you read my info page User:Bishonen/Self-requested blocks and do you accept the conditions outlined there? Bishonen | talk 20:05, 7 June 2018 (UTC).
Yep, I forgot to mention that. 💵Money💵emoji💵 20:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
OK, done. Happy studying. Bishonen | talk 20:17, 7 June 2018 (UTC).

Mr Kebab

If that account is banned and Kbb2 is allowed, isn't it also a conflict of interest for kbb2 to edit Mr Kebab? It's like he is hiding it's a banned account, should it not be completely locked down so kbb2 can't edit it? Govvy (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

No, not really. The Mr KEBAB account is indefinitely blocked for technical or "procedural" reasons (=to make sure the user does not have more than one account), not for doing anything bad. All he did was lose his password. See the block log: "procedural reasons". There is nothing to hide. Bishonen | talk 14:24, 8 June 2018 (UTC).
I find that too convenient! But then I can be quite suspicious! I just leave it then. Govvy (talk) 14:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
And when Bish says "No" she means it! She has some very snarly allies, some small, some big, some look cuddly some really don't but they all mean business!MONGO 14:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

User:David A

David A's six-month topic ban, which he appealed at the halfway mark, has expired. So, naturally, he's gone right back to the same ways, dumping piles of links onto talk pages and asking that they be shoe-horned in somewhere:

Or canvassing:

Do you think this is significant enough to raise at ANI or AN? --Calton | Talk 17:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I would greatly appreciate if we could please avoid that. I am under tremendous amounts of stress as it is, and do not want to be constantly severely attacked by lots of strangers on top of that.

All that I have done is to try to inform people about various relevant and reliable statistics that I have found, and recognised that I am not very competent when it comes to edit them into the pages, so I have avoided doing so, and asked for help instead. David A (talk) 18:06, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

David A, trying to get other people to edit the primary sources you have found "into articles" is not the way to edit Misplaced Pages. You have also gone to individual user pages and tried to persuade those users to work your material into articles. Please pay attention to the replies you get. NiklasBr took the trouble to write you a long, thoughtful answer, and I hope you read it carefully. I'm afraid if you keep doing the things that got you topic banned in the first place, it's unavoidable that another discussion will be opened on AN or ANI. I'm sorry your worries about crime, immigration, social security etc in Sweden seem to be your only real interest on Misplaced Pages; you haven't edited much while the topic ban stopped you from expressing these anxieties. I can understand you don't want to be "severely attacked by lots of strangers" (I don't altogether understand the "constantly" bit, I must say), and that that's what ANI discussions feel like for you. Please avoid these stressful experiences by avoiding the editing that gives rise to them. I'm sure there are other websites out there that would suit this material of yours better. If you do persist, I'm afraid I will advise Calton to start another ANI discussion. You're the one who can stop that happening. Bishonen | talk 21:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC).
David A, both NiklasBr and Bishonen (of course) have given you good advice. You're repeating the same behavior what led to your topic ban, and if you can't understand why that's wrong and continue, that topic ban is likely to be reinstated permanently. And I will say, straight up, that I am a LOT more cynical than Bishonen about your claims of stress and autism: either they're excuses to continue your behavior and should be ignored, or they're reasons you shouldn't be editing Misplaced Pages at all. In either case, they're irrelevant to your not repeating your behavior.
I will (obviously) take Bishonen's advice and wait. To use an English idiom, the ball's in your court. --Calton | Talk 02:54, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
My claims of stress and autism are not remotely made up. I am far from some kind of political extremist, or even a right-winger. I voted for the Social Democrats in the last election, so in terms of purely economic policy I am likely to the left of the Democratic Party, and want elderly, sickly and disabled to get good social security, and everybody to get good education. However, I am moderately conservative in some other areas, so it seems to even out towards the middle, going by the political compass test, and since then I have read lots of news about how my country is collapsing in terms of crime, education, infrastructure, and social security that make me very worried, and that worry is increased by that I have limited mental filters, am fairly literalminded, and tend to focus on facts rather than ideology, likely due to the autism, and get severely fixated on things, likely due to the OCD.
In addition, I am extremely stressed out from managing one of the world's biggest entertainment wikis an average of around 10 hours a day, which includes withstanding lots of abuse from trolls and vandals, including one that uploaded over 2000 porn videos in my (user)name just so a few hundred of them would show up in a Google search, being very aware of various existential threats to humanity, such as global warming, environmental and animal species destruction, resistant diseases, artificial intelligence, overpopulation, and nuclear warfare, and in addition there is now the latest problem with the EU's new Article 13 law, which as far as I understand will illegalise news article links, quotations, images, and video clips, to turn Europe into a new China in terms of thought policing.
In the previous AN incident I felt extremely disoriented and assaulted by people who used my mental disabilities and worries as weapons against me. I am not very socially adept or well-equipped to deal with that sort of situation. It felt like being caught in some sort of Kafka novel where no matter what I said, or how politely I said it, it would be used against me by hard to understand bureaucratic standards, and my focus on reliable facts and statistics did not matter, as my concerns in themselves were treated as a crime, even though there are other users who freely go around systematically character-assassinating anybody they disagree with based on nothing but quoted opinions, which I perceive as far worse.
From my perspective the entire world seems to have gone insane, as it is far too focused on partisan ideology/personal preferences, rather than facts and statistics/what is actually real, and finds those who research and mention them far more offensive than those who do not and strictly go by personal opinion or even fundamentalist doctrines that happen to coincide with their own. I find all of this an extremely depressing tendency of humanity as a whole, but again, I am rather literalminded, so I do not seem to function in the normal manner in this regard. I wish that a much larger amount of humanity were literalmided as well in that case though.
Anyway, my current worries are technically not my only interest in Misplaced Pages. I have traditionally mostly focused on entertainment media, and I still need that to shield myself from the onslaught of horrible information that I have been assaulted with in recent years.
The fundamental problem here is that to me, facts and statistics are what is most important to form an accurate coherent picture of the world, and Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia that should ideally relay such information, so when people tell me that I am not allowed to mention such information, simply because I have turned very worried from reading it, and openly admit it, it gives me disoriented "does not compute" reactions, and feel even more helpless and despairing about being unable to help the state of society as a whole.
I will read NiklasBr's reply in any case. I had not noticed it given that he did not tag me in the response. In addition, if I am not allowed to even mention reliable statistics links in the talk pages, which I thought was acceptable, then I am almost completely crippled in terms of being able to get any important information out there, but there isn't anything that I can do about it, as I do not decide the rules, so I suppose that I will have to do my best to try to shut up to not get in trouble, as usual. David A (talk) 03:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) The basic solution to your problem, David is not to become worried simply by reading statistics. By putting your own interpretation on statistics, you are creating problems both for yourself and for Misplaced Pages. There is good reason why Misplaced Pages forbids editors from publishing original research (i.e. your own interpretation) in articles.
If that is too abstract, let me give you a concrete example. At Talk:Immigration to Sweden #Help needed, you posted a statistic showing that "60% of students born abroad are among those with the lowest academic test scores", and I understand that the statistic worries you. But what if someone suggested that most students born abroad have a poorer grasp of the Swedish language than native-born students? and that it would be expected that they performed less well in tests conducted in Swedish? Perhaps if Syrian refugees took the tests in Arabic, they would score much closer to their peers? Similarly, refugees from a war-torn state are far less likely to have a school to go to, so perhaps we should not be surprised to find that many of them have not finished 9 years of school? Anyway, I'm not suggesting we debate those points. I am suggesting, however, that in order to give meaning to statistics, we need expert analysis. We need to find someone with a reputation for that sort of analysis who has looked at the statistics and published their views and conclusions. That is what we call a "secondary source", and it is what Misplaced Pages is built upon.
I would strongly recommend that you broaden your search for information about social issues by looking for high quality secondary sources. Does Sweden have a publication similar to The Economist, for example? or something else closer to your political tastes? Seek those out and you'll probably be reassured that despite all its problems, the world we live in is still a place that we can have some optimism about. Good luck to you in your search for enlightenment. --RexxS (talk) 10:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the input. Sweden is a small country, so we do not have any major specialist newspapers that I know of in this area, but I think that I have cited some of the ones that we do have in the past.
I am admittedly a very negative and anxious person, with limited mental filters and obsessive tendencies, so I act as a sponge for any information that indicates upcoming disaster. In addition, due to my mental disabilities, I am in need of social help from the state, so if the country goes bankcrupt, there is always the chance that I will die on the streets, so that increases my concerns considerably. David A (talk) 11:18, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

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Request

Hi Bishonen! Could you please block me until 26th June (please also revoke talk page editing access)? I am having a important exam now and I wish to stop being distracted by Misplaced Pages. Thanks. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 14:28, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Abelmoschus Esculentus. Lots of study breaks now, it looks like! Have you read my info page User:Bishonen/Self-requested blocks and do you accept the conditions outlined there? Bishonen | talk 14:40, 9 June 2018 (UTC).
Yep. I’m ready. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 14:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
OK, you have been blocked. Good luck. Bishonen | talk 14:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC).

User talk:CCTV Camera Bangalore

You may wish to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 07:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I suppose so. Thanks. Bishonen | talk 08:14, 11 June 2018 (UTC).

Thanks

Thanks for the support. I'm sorry to have bugged you, but you're one of the few editors on Misplaced Pages I trust unreservedly: I knew I could rely upon your opinion, whether I was right OR wrong. If I were right, you'd tell me, and if were wrong, you'd also tell me, and I'd take your word in EITHER case.

Support or sanity check: I'll take either. --Calton | Talk 04:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Richard B. Spencer

How can you say it would have been fair to block me for reverting clear-cut BLP violations? Would you like me to walk you through them? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 05:25, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

@DrFleischman: I said "fairer", not "fair". I'm never happy about blocks of constructive long-time editors, and I'd rather not see either you or Calton blocked. That's why I said "a block of both 'would have been fairer. In lieu of that, ... please consider unblocking Calton" (italics added). Secondly, no, I don't particularly want you to walk me through them, unless you insist. Presumably you already brought your best arguments on Talk:Richard B. Spencer, which I've read? You don't have consensus there for your view of BLP violations. That's putting it mildly. And no admin has agreed with you about BLP on AE. Is it possible that it's not everybody else who's wrong? Please think about it. You have now complained here on my page, and you have also, on AE, expressed shock that admins are criticizing your behavior, briefly stating that you're more than willing to explain it. The AE discussion is still open. What I don't understand is why you haven't explained it right there, if you think you have good arguments. You might consider including an explanation of why you didn't warn Calton and give him a chance to self-revert, something I already brought up, which you haven't mentioned anywhere. It's definitely best practice, and you may want to consider it another time. Bishonen | talk 11:14, 12 June 2018 (UTC).
  1. The reason I didn't explain the BLP violations at AE was because I didn't want to turn what I thought was a conduct dispute about edit warring into a much longer content dispute. I'll also note that Calton's edit warring wasn't in a vacuum; they were restoring edits by Steeletrap, who had also edit warred (and been warned by NeilN for it), and had called me a "clown" who was "spinning for neo-Nazis". No admins asked me to explain the BLP vios; they just decided that I was wrong without soliciting my input. If you think it would be helpful at this point for me to explain the BLP vios at AE, then I will do so. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 15:59, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  2. The reason I didn't ask Calton to self-revert is because that editor has told me to leave them alone and has been about as intolerant my suggestions as any editor here, ever. Literally every time I have interacted with them they have told me to fuck off. I don't think I can recall a single time Calton has ever disagreed with anyone and behaved in a constructive manner. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 15:59, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  3. And I take offense to "fairer." Calton violated 1RR and that is undisputed. I did not. There would be nothing fair about mutual blocks for 1RR violations on one side and enforcing BLP on the other. Yes, a bunch of editors believe these weren't BLP violations. But I did and still believe so, and I'm one who initiated the talk page discussion while others were edit warring, refusing to discuss, and attacking me personally in their edit summaries, Calton included. So "fairer?" Not by a long shot. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 16:13, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • The putative BLP vios are still being discussed at AE, see Neil's recent comment. To take part in the discussion seems the obvious thing for you to do, though I can't say if it'll be helpful — depends rather on whether you have anything more to say than you have already written on article talk, which I'm sure all the commenting admins have already consulted. I don't see how you can separate conduct and content in this case, since the BLP vios, if any, are at the heart of the edit warring dispute. Calton violated the 1RR restriction, but unless you can convince the admins you were reverting clear BLP vios, then you yourself will also be seen as violating it. Bishonen | talk 16:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC).
Go to the talk page. We have a problem of tendentious editing by Dr. F, who has been removing RS that in his view create an unduly derogatory view of Spencer. Nobody agrees with him, and (until I pressed him) he wasn't even specifying what the allegedly problematic content was, just making blanket reverts while vaguely citing "BLP". Steeletrap (talk) 17:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm not going to get involved on the talkpage, because I want to be sure I remain uninvolved in the sense of being able to "admin" these articles, Steeletrap. You can take it to WP:AE or WP:ANI. Bishonen | talk 19:05, 12 June 2018 (UTC).

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