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One for the road.

Crap days, bro. Take good care. —SerialNumber54129 13:27, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Been there & done this. Don't let an asshole get to you. Misplaced Pages needs you. Rowan Forest (talk) 15:34, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

A pie for you!

... to go with the pints. Hope to see you back one day; in the meantime, be well. Sam Sailor 18:10, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

(pictured)

I don't know how to take care, - hope he'll survive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I moved Die Fliege down, because s/he displaced the next image in my design (our rather, br'er's design). Do you have a solution for that? Then move the creature up again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Give me an hour or so, Gerda. I'm a bit busy writing a long post for the Commons at the moment... nagualdesign 20:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I only wanted to explain the move to lower, no disrespect for Die Fliege, just a design matter. I'm licking my wounds from the last call to the commons, so please understand that I won't add that scene to my concerns. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

"Ass kicking"?

In regard to your edit summary, "It's ass kicking time" left here -- I'm going to caution you against anything you may be planning that will equal disruption and pointy contributions in order to seek some sort of revenge. Such behavior will probably end up getting your account blocked. Your user page says you've retired. Then let it be that. Don't go out under a shadow of negativity. If you choose to return, you'll want to do it in a manner that equals positive contributions. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 19:29, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Surprise surprise. How did I know that you'd say exactly that, I wonder? Well, don't you worry, Winkelvi. Sit back and have some popcorn. I promise that I'm going to do the right thing, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't interfere. I understand that you have a hard time parsing these sort of things, and that's fine. When the dust settles I'll buy you a drink. Sincerely, nagualdesign 19:37, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

One final task

Thank you all. Before I go for good I need to unpick some of the bullshit and I'd appreciate it if the people who watch this page, who I consider as friends, lend their support. I realize now that I should have just asked for help in the first place and ignored short-sighted rules like WP:CANVASSING. I think I've been far too polite.

If you haven't done so already, please add my user pages on Commons to your watchlists and keep a close eye on proceedings while I clear my name and expose some of the bullshit that goes on around here. Sincerely, nagualdesign 19:33, 8 July 2018 (UTC) (And please, call me Joe.)

It seems the "vanishing" dissociated the name nagualdesign, as I only get a red link. An url to the relevant Commons page will be useful to me. Thanks and good luck. Rowan Forest (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I misunderstood how vanishing would work. Seems like I've basically renamed myself to a load of random characters, which seems rather pointless. Anyway, here's a link. nagualdesign 21:05, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

July 2018

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If you want to leave that discussion open, that's your prerogative. nagualdesign 19:40, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)@Winkelvi: I seem to recall on at least two occasions defending you out of an indefinite block here, and spending considerable time getting the community to let you off with a 1RR restriction. Turning up here and badgering an editor who's considering jacking it all in is therefore a misguided move. Think before you hit submit. Ritchie333 00:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Ritchie333, did you look at the edit to which I was referring? Did you see the talk page discussion on NeilN's page regarding what was starting to look like a meltdown by this editor that included threats and disruptive behavior? Adn then this a few minutes ago from ND . I get what you're saying re:my situation, but this is a whole different ballgame. And I can't help but think you're not seeing the whole picture (including what's been going on at Commons in relation to all of it). -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 00:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I read through the whole shenanigans on Commons this evening, shook my head and thought "life is just too short to get caught up in this sort of stuff anymore". I think everyone needs to calm down and take a deep breath. Ritchie333 00:41, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree. That said, my warning here was left long before everything went in the toilet. It was left as I sensed things were about to spiral out of control, which is why I left the message I did with Neil. Who then also came here to ask ND to take a breath. He did not. What happened next had nothing to do with me. My warning was merely a formality to log that something was noticed, it was inappropriate, and that taking a moment to stop and think would be a good thing to do. Even after Neil tried to talk him off the proverbial ledge, he continued down the wrong path. And it still hasn't gotten any better when you look at the diff I provided above, his comments to me, and him striking my comments. There's something more afoot beyond getting caught up in the emotional side of the whole shebang and I'm thinking it lies in part with WP:IDHT and WP:COMPETENCE. That's my take on it, anyway. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 00:49, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: I archived the discussion at Talk:Elon Musk's Tesla Roadster#Concerning the frequent edits because it appeared to have run its course and was nothing more that tit-for-tat argument over something so trivial as to be considered disruptive, and as an uninvolved third-party I was well within my rights to do so. You undid the archiving part and that's your prerogative. Both of us acted within proper guidelines. Coming here to issue the warning shown above was hypocritical and misguided, but I consider you such a small fry petty tyrant that I let it pass.

The post I left on NeilN's talk page was to thank him for his level-headed approach. If you think that was "starting to look like a meltdown" you're not very perceptive, and I defy you to produce any diffs featuring threats and disruptive behavior.

Your partial reverting of my edit on Commons, along with the edit summary, exemplify your self-importance, your inability to comprehend simple situations and your discourteous attitude. The comments I struck on your behalf are indeed libellous, and I suggest once again that you strike them immediately.

Since you insist on continuously popping your head above the parapet, without comprehending that you're not exactly covering yourself in glory, I'll also point out the moment that I appeared on your radar, so that others can play Whack-a-mole! with you: It was when I made this post on MjolnirPants' talk page, wasn't it? You may not be very perceptive but I am, and I can see right through you. You read that post and had enough wherewithal to realize that it was at least in part about you. What you're too thick to realize is that I was praising MjolnirPants for treating you with kindness and patience, because I think that that's the right thing to do with people who suffer from Asperger's. I sympathise with you. It was also a way of letting MjolnirPants know that I was grieving for a friend who had died, but that bit seems to have escaped you completely. I'm going to go out on a limb here and presume that you've never lost any close friends or relatives, and you have very little life experience (the alternative here is to presume that you're a heartless, mindless, malicious a-hole who deserves a good slap).

If I encounter you again you'd better watch your step, because I'm done playing nice or excusing you because of your disability. And no, that isn't me being threatening. To be clear, I'm saying that I won't put up with one iota of your self-indulgent shit, and I'll throw the book at you if you take a single step out of line. Now fuck off and don't come back. Sincerely, nagualdesign 01:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Note

"Courtesy vanishing is discretionary and may be refused. It is not intended to be temporary. It is not a way to avoid scrutiny or sanctions. It is not a fresh start and does not guarantee anonymity. Any of the deleted pages may be undeleted after a community discussion. If the user returns, the "vanishing" will likely be fully reversed, the old and new accounts will be linked, and any outstanding sanctions or restrictions will be resumed."

I also really don't want to block you so knock it off with the attacks please. --NeilN 19:58, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I can assure you, Neil, that I have no intention for my courtesy vanishing to be temporary. I'm leaving Misplaced Pages, but before I go I think it's only right that I defend myself, and I'll do so in accordance with all the rules and regulations, I promise. What you call "attacks" are merely an exposé of Sladen's ill-behaviour which, if you permit me, will become clear. I have proof! nagualdesign 20:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi nagualdesign, Sorry bud but the whole "Before I go I think it's only right that I defend myself" no longer applies, You had that right before vanishing, The whole point of Vanishing is exactly that ..... Walking away and never looking back ..... You can't vanish and then return to defend yourself as like I said you lost that right when you obviously vanished. –Davey2010 20:33, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Well that wasn't at all clear to me. If it's all the same with you I think I'll just crack on. nagualdesign 21:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

PLEASE just take a break, ND. This will end with everyone feeling awful, including you. Please. EEng 21:52, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Don't worry EEng, I'm done for the evening. If you think I've said anything that I shouldn't over on Commons then please let me know. I'm trying my hardest here under extremely difficult circumstances, as you know. nagualdesign 22:01, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Maybe because of the name change I can't even find your talk page at Commons. Whatever you did or said there, please just post a followup saying, "Look, I'm not myself lately, I'm gonna take a month off and then we can sort all this out." This is not to say that you bear any fault in what led up to this, but if you're doing anything in response to burn your bridges, please stop. EEng 22:12, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Commons:User talk:Renamed user g5r8c5h8j5g2f55v5h2h5g5d2s2c5b5

As I've just explained to someone else via email, I'm not interested in personal disputes or burning bridges, but I'm very interested in highlighting procedural irregularities with a view to those procedures being tightened up, or the people tasked with applying them being properly (re)trained.

I've also been reading through the archives of the Roadster talk page and there's a pattern of behaviour by Sladen, along with another user saying that they had also noticed his gaming the system. If he's going to talk smack about me in my absence, convincing everyone that I plagiarized that image, I think he deserves to be brought to account. Exercising my right of reply is not the same as indulging in a personal dispute.

Were you, me and others indulging in a personal dispute when we tried to hold Sebastian to account, or do you think we were trying to do the right thing? nagualdesign 22:35, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

High-handed admins on parade

Note: Subthread heading by EEng

I was just banned from Commons indefinitely, and without a chance to appeal in my Talk page or contact an administrator there. Complete block in 100% commons. Why? Because I posted in your now deleted page a request to the administrator Yann to please review your car/rocket diagram and lift the ban if proven yours. I said please and thank you. You are in the hands of a rouge administrator on a "road rage". Very irregular actions of Yann, and he is covering his tracks by deleting my message/request too. I can't stick my neck any longer, even if I wanted. There is a loose beast (or loose system) after you. Sorry. You were right all along. Rowan Forest (talk) 01:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I just posted this strongly worded rebuke , which I'm copying here since I have the odd feeling it may get revdel'd as well:

Christ, over here at Commons the lunatics really do seem to have taken over the asylum. WP admins can only dream of getting away with such imperious bullshit. Shame on you, Yann. Now, I understand Rowan Forest posted a comment to a discussion here which appears to have been deleted; I formally request that it be restored so that we may all see its content. The deletion smells very strongly of someone trying to suppress criticism of himself or his fellow admins. Or will you block me now too for talking back to my betters? EEng (talk) 02:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

EEng 02:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

What the fuck?! I'm so sorry that you've been dragged into the thresher while trying to pull me out, Rowan. This is exactly the sort of bullshit that I'm railing against, and I hope that thanks to your sacrifice others can now see that I'm not on some sort of misguided personal vendetta but simply trying to clear my name and hold other editors and admins to account. Fear not, Rowan; by acting like this Yann has actually stuck his head above the parapet and made it much easier to highlight his errant behaviour. And thank you very much for sticking your neck out for me! Sincerely, nagualdesign 09:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Cooler heads have prevailed

Thanks to Commons admin Guanaco, the picture in dispute has been undeleted, and we can now have a proper discussion about its authorship and copyright status. Walk this way → c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Tesla Roadster Falcon 9H.png — JFG 03:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Aftermath

You are vanished and supposed to no longer edit. If you are not going to comply with WP:VANISHED then it will be enforced by block. Look at this example for getting some idea. Capitals00 (talk) 12:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Looks like there was a combination of a temper and a misunderstanding of the consequences of WP:VANISH. I would suggest that the best course of action at this stage would be to un-vanish Nagualdesign (looks like it's just a rename?), let him go through the proceedings at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Tesla Roadster Falcon 9H.png, let the RfC about his work run its course, and perhaps later he can decide with a clear head whether he wants to vanish or just take an ordinary wikibreak. — JFG 13:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@Capitals00: Then un-vanish me. As far as I'm concerned another editor was waging a smear campaign against me after I had declared my retirement from editing. I should have right of reply, even though I may have misunderstood the consequences of WP:VANISH. nagualdesign 13:18, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Capitals00: See also Nagualdesign's remark today on NeilN's page highlighting the misunderstanding: Either way there will remain a trail of breadcrumbs leading to my account, which will remain extant in perpetuity. Now that I know that, the whole idea of vanishing seems rather pointless. Reversing the WP:VANISH action would look best imho. — JFG 13:20, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Requesting un-vanishing would be the correct solution. Capitals00 (talk) 13:48, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@Capitals00: How would I do that? nagualdesign 14:02, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Notifying Xaosflux who participated in the vanishing. Capitals00 (talk) 14:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. nagualdesign 15:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

While logged in on this account just go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest and request your name be changed back. Once completed if you want to resume old account flags you can request review at WP:PERM — xaosflux 15:32, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done, thank you. nagualdesign 15:41, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I've just !voted at Commons to desysop the admin who created this mess there, which has very little chance of actually happening, because the culture at Commons is kind of like "F.U. en-wiki". Nagual, I hope that both you and Rowan will stick around here at en-wiki and not feel any need to be driven off the site. As far as I can tell at the moment, everyone has been unblocked. I think a good strategy to deal with the maligned image is to upload it locally here at en-wiki, which gets you out of the morass of satisfying the licensing rules at Commons. As for how the image is used here at the Musk car page, that's for the ongoing RfC to decide. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:18, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Some noncontroversial work?

In case you'd like to change your mind, there is an interesting map to simplify and improve there: Talk:List of military occupations#Improving the map. I pinged you, but not sure you got it due to the vanish-unvanish shenanigans. — JFG 18:11, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I spotted that earlier and added the page to my watchlist, and I've been following the conversation. I appreciate you considering me, but right now there are more shitstorms going on than I can keep up with. Hopefully one of the original creators of the map will step in, if not.. I may consider it. Sorry to be so vague but I'm pretty exhausted. Regards, nagualdesign 18:16, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

No worries; this was just a friendly suggestion to clear your mind of the "shitstorms". — JFG 18:54, 10 July 2018 (UTC)