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Questionable Edit

Can someone please explain why information pertaining to his legal dispute with Larry Klayman was removed from the article? Ruthfulbarbarity 02:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Biased article

The article is clearly biased against conservative viewpoints and conservative action groups. Either eliminate it or do a lot of work to show a balanced picture.Danleywolfe (talk) 17:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

It has gotten even more so since you posted your comment in July 2014. A quick read of the "Controversy" section shows it to be pure garbage, written in a manner that is designed to be as venomous as possible without technically stepping over the line. That kind of writing should be taken to private 'blog sites and not posted at Misplaced Pages. — Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum) 20:55, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

WP:FRINGE

Fitton's claims about voter fraud are "alarmist", and should be described as such. Fitton's idiotic claims about climate change amount to a "rejection of the scientific consensus on climate change", and should be described as such. This is consistent with WP:FRINGE where Misplaced Pages editors should identify fringe theories as such. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 02:45, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Your tone is extremely POV. This is not RationalWiki for such bias. This is violation of BLP:Tone and BLP:Coatrack. Please find Reliable Sources for the "alarmist" claim and we can add it to the article. If it's so obviously "alarmist" then there must be RS to confirm this claim, otherwise it remains POV and Original Research and also BLP violation. FreedomGonzo (talk) 02:55, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Fact-checkers are in agreement that there is zero evidence that voter fraud is "widespread, and substantial to the point that it can decide elections." To describe Fitton's remark as "alarmist" is to be extra gentle, because the claim is straight-up "false". Snooganssnoogans (talk) 03:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Do any of the sources talk about Fitton or not? It seems your actions are of a political activist, not an editor of Encyclopedia. I, personally, couldn't care less about Fitton or American right-wingers, let them burn in hell for all I care, but I don't want Misplaced Pages to turn to biased and opinionated trash like Conservapedia or Rationalwiki. A good way to show his claims are false, would be adding something like: "These claims, however, have been proven false" and then add all these sources, you provided above, rather than childish "this person is evil" style of writing, which simply unencyclopedic. FreedomGonzo (talk) 03:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Whether the sources are about Fitton or not is irrelevant. Per WP:FRINGE, our language should reflect when something is fringe (e.g. when someone makes false claims about climate change). We don't just repeat falsehoods without clarifying to readers that they are false. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 03:39, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. I'll revert my edit. FreedomGonzo (talk) 03:40, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Actually, the new edit you've done looks much more encyclopaedic and well-sourced, and less opinionated. I think this disagreement actually helped improve the article. FreedomGonzo (talk) 03:42, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I've removed "alarmist". As FreedomGonzo noted, unless reliable sources describe his claims about voter fraud as such, we should leave it out. Meatsgains 00:56, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

All reliable sources agree that his claims about voter fraud are false and unsubstantiated. Per WP:FRINGE, we should describe them as such. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 07:35, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

The source provided on the page doesn't. Which sources are you referring to? Meatsgains 01:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

The sources on this talk page. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:36, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Also, as an FYI, I stumbled on this page from the discussion at WP:BLPN. Meatsgains 00:57, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Fitton's lies about the Obama administration

One editor removed PolitiFact's finding that Fitton lied about the Obama administration, opting instead to just leave Fitton's lies standing without any correction. Can the editor explain the thinking behind this edit? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 07:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

I removed content noting that "PolitiFact rated Fitton's claim 'mostly false.'" Can this be confirmed from another RS? Meatsgains 01:37, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

??? PolitiFact is a RS. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:41, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I said another. We don't need to add Politifact's analysis to every claim. Meatsgains 01:45, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Undue weight

This article reads less as a bio on Fitton and more like an article on Judicial Watch. That needs to be remedied. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

POV edit warring

There is POV edit warring going on at this BLP. Looks like it's been going on for a while, same editor. Pinging Meatsgains and FreedomGonzo as having been down this road at this article previously. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 10:25, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

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