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Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Irishpunktom: Article ban lifted from Peter Tatchell for Fys and replaced with probation

In Irishpunktom case a motion passed and is published at the above link.

The article ban (remedy 1) for Fys (talk · contribs) and Irishpunktom (talk · contribs) from Peter Tatchell is lifted, and replaced with Probation for Dbiv also. Any administrator, in the exercise of their judgement for reasonable cause, may ban Dbiv from any page which he disrupts by inappropriate editing. He must be notified on his talk page of any bans, and a note must also placed on WP:AN/I. Violations of these bans or paroles imposed shall be enforced by appropriate blocks, up to a month in the event of repeat violations. All bans are to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Irishpunktom#Log of blocks and bans.

For the Arbitration Committee FloNight 22:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Neat stuff. Congratulations, Fys. Thanks Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway

Congratulations. And I am sure we will not see your name on the admin boards because you are causing trouble again. -- Kim van der Linde 14:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

AfD on Manchester councillor

Hi, I've brought up this AfD: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Abid Chohan, which you had previously commented on a batch of Manchester councillors including Mr Chohan. I think he is one of the least notable entries. Perhaps you feel like commenting? JASpencer 14:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Ian White

Looks like you made a disambiguation page for Ian White because of some clever vandalism. Ian White (licensing agent) appears to be a joke. See ]. Ian White (ice hockey player) appears to be about the same person as Ian White (licensing agent) was before the dab. I think it will need an admin to move Ian White (ice hockey player) back to Ian White. Do you have time to deal with it? I can get to it sometime this week, but not right now. Ingrid 13:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. Someone had created a separate near-stub article about the ice hockey player as ]. I made the disambiguation page because of Ian White (politician), the as-yet unwritten MEP for Bristol. Perhaps the easiest thing is to delete the present Ian White (Ice hockey player), then move Ian White (licensing agent) to Ian White (Ice hockey player) so that the edit history is preserved, then merge in any info in the deleted page that isn't in it at the moment, and keep the present Ian White as a disambiguation page. This would need admin help though. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 14:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Tony

Fair enough. Unfortunately, if there is something we have in abundance, it's Tony's uncivil remarks... :( -- Grafikm 22:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Leo McKinstry

You don't have the Rosebery book do you by any chance, I borrowed it from a friend, but only skimmed it and then (unusually for me dutifully) returned it - the page numbers would be helpful for the denial. I'm undecided personally over whether he was gay or not. When I was younger I was told quite a few first hand (horse's mouth)reccolections of him which suggest he was just generally rather odd, if not barking mad! Pity though it's all own research, otherwise the page could be a lot more colourful! Nothing changes in politics really does it?.....Giano 18:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have McKinstry's book at the moment (it's been on my Amazon wants list for more than a year - so I'm hoping with my birthday and christmas coming up that someone might spot it). I'm sure there are sources around which might allow Rosebery's sexuality to be discussed freely. There is something about Rosebery, Drumlanrig and Queensberry in the introduction to H. Montgomery Hyde's "The Trials of Oscar Wilde" which I do have. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 19:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I am as we speak attempting to buy a copy off abebooks.co.uk (£6.20 +p&P) except it is such a crappy slow site, it would be quicker to wait for Christmas. The internet is a marvellous thing on the odd occasion it works! Giano 21:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions made on September 27 2006 to Caroline Cox, Baroness Cox

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

I admit I'm a bit baffled by this. What were you thinking of?

The question is what were you thinking of, since I manifestly did not break the 3RR. Why did you not check my edits before blocking me? Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 19:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Um. "Thanks" for your emails. First of all, you clearly have 4R. 3 are marked; is so close to the others as to count too. Secondly, if you're claiming a vandalism exception, you need to do so very clearly, and to be very sure of your grounds. Which in this case I think are weak William M. Connolley 19:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

A violation under the 3RR has to revert to the same version. Amending it to take account of concerns and attempt a compromise is not included and I did that all the way through. I am now extremely concerned that you are attempting to enforce the 3RR when you clearly have no understanding of it. I want you to unblock me immediately and I want an apology placed on the block log that explains that you were completely mistaken. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 19:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

3RR does *not* have to revert to the same version. The rules explicity note this. You have (obviously, in my view) broken 3RR; but I'm happy to let other admins review this William M. Connolley 19:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Unblocked (for reasons explained elsewhere). Mackensen (talk) 19:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The Sun

I have reverted back and left talk notes. If you have an argument that makes sense, I'd be curious. I did scan the talk and it was ass-backwards: no one needs to prove why "The Sun" should redirect to the Sun; people need to prove why a parochial use should override the stunningly obvious redirect to the ball of hydrogen and helium most every living human being sees every day. "What links here" is not a useful proxy in this regard, as I say in the second note—people don't dab the Sun because of how obvious it is. Because I was overriding the talk discussion I invoked WP:IAR and I'll invoke it again because I'll defend this point. Marskell 23:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Silver Badge Party

A few months ago you mentioned that this article contained major inaccuracies. Would you be able to help correct some of them, or give me some guidance on what they are? thanks, Warofdreams talk 00:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I've rewritten the article in light of it. Would you be able to check it over? thanks, Warofdreams talk 19:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

That looks great; thanks for your work on it. Warofdreams talk 16:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

George Galloway

How come he's not a right hon?Halbared 14:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Because no-on has been stupid enough to ask him to sit on the Privy Council. The Land 16:48, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you kindly Fys, that was very informative.Halbared 17:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Commas

They're normally used here, especially with multiple post-nominals. I don't believe there is a policy mandating their use, but it seems to be assumed in most places (all the examples with post-nominals in Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (biographies), for instance, use commas). And though I don't disagree that "John Smith MP" is no less aesthetically pleasing than "John Smith, MP", when more than one is involved it can look horrid without commas (Herbert Kitchener, 1st Earl Kitchener would look silly if it had "KG KP GCB OM GCSI GCMG GCIE ADC PC" as a string of undivided abbreviations). And, in my opinion, it's logical: Ted Heath wasn't "Sir Edward Heath Knight of the Garter", he was "Sir Edward Heath, Knight of the Garter". Proteus (Talk) 17:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Image sources for Winter of Discontent

Hi, can you add sources to these images: Image:Finsburyparkrubbish.jpg, Image:Fordstrikers.jpg, Image:Outofpetrol1979.jpg and Image:Armyambulances79.jpg.

Thanks. Edward 10:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Rename

As requested, I've renamed you as User:Fys. You should now move your userpages. I also suggest recreating your previous name and requesting that it is blocked, to prevent impersonation. Warofdreams talk 04:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Both the user page and talk page for Fys have now been deleted: are you now planning to use your previous again? The Land 09:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

What happened was some third party, without being asked, decided to "help" me move my account pages when I wanted to copy-paste them so that the move was not immediately apparent. I have changed my username and will begin using User:Fys when I can complete the migration of user pages etc. But please nobody intervene on the grounds that I should be moving them. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 09:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Page moves

Before you continue to perform copy-paste moves, could you please use the Move tab at the top of the page to facilitate your username change so the histories are preserved? Ryūlóng 08:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you doing this, exactly? Fys is your new username, and a simple page move like that I performed should occur. Not the copypaste moves. Ryūlóng 08:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Because the whole point of changing username is to put a bit of distance between my Misplaced Pages activities and my real name. What's the point of changing name if it's facile to look through the page move log and find out who I used to be? Also the page history will show a link from my user page to my biography in article space. I don't want that. Other editors have used it to threaten real life consequences. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 08:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, that explains the user page, but why this one, too? Ryūlóng 08:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Katie Price

My mistake, and I've reverted this.

I'd be all for a centralised discussion on the Manchester councillors although last time this was tried (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Manchester councillors) no concensus could be reached as some councillors were notable, some may be and some weren't. I put in an AFD vote at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Abid Chohan which came to deletion and I've since put a number of Manchester Councillors on to the merge discussions where there only claim to notability is being a councillor. WP:BIO now states "Just being an elected local official does not guarantee notability."

There is presently an AfD going on with Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Faraz Bhatti as to whether a parliamentary candidate has sufficient inherent notability which you may want to join. JASpencer 12:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Populist Party

As you were interested last time, I've nominated Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Populist Party (UK)‎. JASpencer 22:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Userproject:Conservatives.

I am aware of the POV suspicions that are likely to fly if this idea gets off the ground. However, I think I have made it very obvious on the page that I am a Wikipedian first and a Conservative second and that any possible POV that may be inadvertently added to an article would be immediately ironed out by any peer review or GA or FA nomination. I therefore am not terribly worried, and any editor who thinks such a thing has not read my aims and is assuming bad faith. If you would be willing to act as a NPOV checker for any articles the project works on, I would be delighted to have you on board. Dev920 (Tory?) 18:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Birdcage Walk

Well, thanks! There are plenty more where that came from. Old Queen Street (site of the new Labour HQ), Horse Guards Road, Great George Street... -- ALoan (Talk) 15:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I think I will get round to them soon - incidentally, the Labour Party has now moved out of Old Queen Street and moved to Victoria Street due to the urgent need to save money. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 15:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh - shows how in touch I am. (I only realised that they were out of Millbank Tower the other day, to save money again). Someone calling in the loans, perhaps?

Anyway, good work. The article could possibly say that Pepys mentions the aviary in his diary, and the aviaries were expanded by Charles II (his birdkeeper was Edward Storey, after whom is named Storey's Gate). -- ALoan (Talk) 15:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hi, and welcome to the Biography WikiProject! We're a group of editors working to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of biographies.

A few features that you might find helpful:

• The project has a monthly newsletter; it will normally be delivered as a link, but several other formats are available.

There are a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:

• Starting some new articles? Our article structure tips outlines some things to include.
• Want to know how good our articles are? The assessment department is working on rating the quality of every biography article in Misplaced Pages.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! plange 17:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Probation

I'm not positive that I can be added to the list for a month or two. ArbCom simply gave everyone probation, right or not. However, I did get blocked under probation (but it was interpretive, and the admin may have been biased). I did start WP:SRNC to end the dispute though, and since it mostly went my way I wouldn't mass move pages away from what I want, right? Also, my being an admin, having a good reputation, and all... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 23:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Gerry Studds

It certainly stands to reason that Gerry Studds might be a descendant of Elbridge Gerry, especially since Gerry was also one of Studds's father's given names, but is there any documentation of this descent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wbkelley (talk • contribs)

There are sources: This biography is one. I remember seeing this fact reported in an old edition of Michael Barone's "The Almanac of American Politics". Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 23:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

County Londonderry

As I understand it the county is Londonderry and the town is Derry in wikiWeggie 14:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

could you clarify where the guideline as you see it is kept or where the appropriate discussion was held? For as long as I've been posting most editors have been using the compromise solution but I'm happy to use either naming. Although what would we use in a non-troubles article?Weggie 09:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Context can be things in the discussions, but I don't see how it can be for County Derry. It's a county that has never existed. The City of Derry has officially been called Londonderry in the past, but there has never been a County Derry. Ben W Bell talk 12:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Dehra Parker was always referred to at Stormont as the member for South Derry. I think you may be being a bit specious here. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 13:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Have you a reference for that? She was elected as the member for the South Londonderry Parliamentary Constituency. The fact remains at the end of the day Misplaced Pages is a factual encyclopaedia (or at least tries to be) and we have to use accepted facts. We can't have people just naming stuff because that's what they'd have called it. Should people in Northern Ireland be allowed to rename the Republic of Ireland article, "Down South" just because that's what most people call it? A County Derry has never existed in the history of Ireland so to say someone is from there is just plain wrong and bad writing. Ben W Bell talk 15:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Have I a reference for that? I've read the Hansards, and this reprinted Daily Telegraph obituary for James Chichester-Clark says "moved by a sense of duty, he entered Stormont as Unionist member for South Derry". I think insisting the county must always be Londonderry is as daft as insisting that there was no such place as Hampshire until 1959: technically correct, because it was Southamptonshire. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 15:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

No it's not even remotely the same thing at all. Calling something that which it isn't and has never been is simply wrong. It's like using the encyclopaedia to rename London, Berlin. It's never been called Berlin. Ben W Bell talk 15:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias

Hey Fys, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 04:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Glenys Kinnock

Hi. First of all I've understood your motive, but you have gone the wrong way. I think I do not have to explain the normal procedures to you in such a case. :-) By the way there were different various discussions to that topic: Talk:Glenys Kinnock#Baroness, Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Peerage#Baroness vs. Lady and someplace, I forgot. Greetings Phoe 22:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Zambia

Hi Fys. I've noted your exchange with Screensaver, and would be interested to know if you would like to participate to a WikiProject Zambia, in an attempt to expand the treatment on wikipedia of the country. Screensaver is willing, what's your opinion on the idea?--Aldux 17:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Elonka

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA. Unfortunately consensus was not reached, and the nomination was not successful. However, I do appreciate your comments, am still in support of the Misplaced Pages project, and will continue to contribute without interruption. Thanks again! --Elonka 18:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

I would like to tnank you for expressing your intrest in joining my wikiproject on british criime. Please can you advertise the project top as many intrested people as possible so we can this off the ground.--Lucy-marie 10:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Westminster St George's (UK Parliament constituency)

Hi, I see that you nominated the Westminster St George's (UK Parliament constituency) article for a split betwen that and St George Hanover Square (UK Parliament constituency).

Would I be right in thinking that this was a mistake, and that you meant to propose a merge to St George's Hanover Square (UK Parliament constituency)? --BrownHairedGirl 00:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Not entirely. I didn't notice the apostrophe placement, but the problem is that the two constituency names were totally different: St George, Hanover Square (which was its correct name) and the St. George's division of Westminster. The boundaries were also different. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 00:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't see that the two names are totally different: both refer to the same St Georges parish, but in one case it's disambiguated by suffixing it with Havover Sq; since the Westminster Borough had been created by 1918, Westminster was avilable as a more logical prefix. They seem to me to be differennt ways of rendering the same name.
Unfortunately, I forgot to check here first to see if you had replied, but as per the discussion at WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies, I have gone ahead and merged the two articles. Sorry if you feel that's inappropriate, my fault again for not checking, but the consensus at the Wikproject is in afvour of keeping articles together when there is a technical renaming.
If you have details of the boundaries, including the 1918 boundary changes, maybe you could add them to Westminster St George's (UK Parliament constituency) ... and if you feel that merger if inappropriate, please could you explain at WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies. --BrownHairedGirl 17:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Piers Gaveston

Many thanks for digging out all those news reports in support of retaining the Piers Gaveston entry. The grounds for deletion strike me as muddleheaded and chippy, but I was sure glad not to have to format the LexisNexis entries. Cheers RobmaRobma 16:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC).

User:Tawnydruver and friend

Hmm, the plot thickens. Well, there aren't many definitive conclusions to be drawn from User:WylEr's list of contributions. Hopefully this will just blow over. FreplySpang 20:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

St George's Hanover Square/Wstminster St Georges

Hu Fys, please rejoin the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject_UK_Parliament_constituencies#St_George.27s_Hanover_Square rather than going ahead with and doing a split which it appeas that only you support. Please also be aware of WP:3RR. --BrownHairedGirl 23:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Fys, please stop making these controversial changes hile a duscusion is underway. I have replied to the imfo you supplieed, so please make a substantive reply to continue the discussion, rather than simply saying that you know more and must therefore be right. You cited WP:BOLD, but plesae read on and note WP:BOLD#.E2.80.A6but_don.27t_be_reckless.21 --BrownHairedGirl 23:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalsim warning

Fys, your continued edits to a series of articles related to the Westminster St George's (UK Parliament constituency) are shortcircuiting an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Parliament_constituencies#St_George.27s_Hanover_Square, where uyou are the only person suppoting these changes.

You have ignore several requests to continue discussion, and have now written at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Parliament_constituencies#St_George.27s_Hanover_Square that "There is no further discussion possible: I have provided the conclusive, final, ultimate, clinching, and decisive evidence and argument."

Other participants in that discission, including me, have claerly indicated that we are not persuaded by the info you have provided. I have therefore issued a vandalism warning below.

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. --BrownHairedGirl 00:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Fys, you have twice in quick succcession removed the above vandalsim warning from your user page. Please do not claim that you were acting in good faith: the edits you have been making are contested, you are in a minoroty of one in an going discussion, and you have refused further discussion. To persist in such a situation is not acting in good faith.

I have not yet checked to see whether you have made further edits after the warning above, but in the meantime I have issued a final warning (below) regarding your removal of a warning.

This is your last warning. Removing legitimate warnings from your talk page is considered disruption. You will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages and your talk page will be protected from editing if you do it again. --BrownHairedGirl 00:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Three-revert rule re Westminster St George's (UK Parliament constituency)

Fys, despite my earlier reminder to be aware of 3RR (see above, #St_George.27s_Hanover_Square.2FWstminster_St_Georges), you have now reverted three times in the last seven hours the reverts of your unilateral changes to split the article Westminster St George's (UK Parliament constituency), which you repeatedly proceeded with despite repeated requests to resume substantive discussions of a contested set of changes which only you support.

Because I am an admin involved in a content dispute with you, I will not impose a block myself, but will instead report his at WP:ANI. I have therefore issued a 3RR final warning rather than a 3RR block notice; other admins may see fit to change that. --BrownHairedGirl 01:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Westminster St George's (UK Parliament constituency). Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. --BrownHairedGirl 01:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

report lodged at WP:AN/3RR. --BrownHairedGirl 03:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning. Removing legitimate warnings from your talk page is considered disruption. You will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages and your talk page will be protected from editing if you do it again. --BrownHairedGirl 09:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)