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That google book thing

I can't believe I've never been there before... how many pages do you get to see before it shuts you out? there's all kinds of stuff scanned by Google. Holy @#$%. /me feels like a n00b. Antandrus (talk) 21:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

This your IP???

This your IP? Aquafish talk 22:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Um, WP:AGF? Mak (talk) 22:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The Erotic Network

Hey Buddy, where's my article, why did you delete it?? I see no justification for deleting it, spam my a$$!! Why don't you write a better one, instead of going around deleting other people's articles. Under what authority can you delete articles, I would like to know??? HeMan5 04:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I deleted it because it seemed like it was solely for promotional purposes, it's a porn network, which are a dime a dozen, and the only "references" were to the parent company, rather than an neutral independent source. Spam is now a speedy deletion criterion. I was made an administrator by the Misplaced Pages community, who entrusted me with power to delete things, an action which can, of course, be reversed by the community or another administrator. Mak (talk) 04:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Montpellier Codex

Hi, you posted a little hello note on my talk page, I think it must have been after I wrote the Montpellier Codex article. I'm not entirely new to Misplaced Pages, but just this week I saw a number of rather gaping holes, a few of which I decided to patch. I am more or less entirely new to the community aspect of the site. So, hello! Chubbles1212 04:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

GA?

Hi, Makemi. If I could borrow 2 minutes of your time - I would like one more pair of eyes on Agrippina (opera). I'm just about to put it forward for GA, but I'd like someone else to check that there isn't anything particularly grotesque that a GA reviewer would bawl me out for. If you could just check this article out for me, that would be great.

The thing that really cheesed me off was that I wrote this from ONE source - and I have to provide a load of inline cits. Inline cits are wonderful, but not when there's only one source involved. Then it's not a little stupid. Anyway. If you could give me the green light for GA, I'd really appreciate it. Cheers, Moreschi 18:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll look at it now. Mak (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

This

Sorry for that blank space, my fault. --Emx 18:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Early

I'm one of those bizarre people who likes to see the sun rise. It's quiet at this time and I can think about stuff and write without being bothered by the phone.  :-) Having heard you sing, at least via .ogg, I have complete faith in you. Wish I could be there .... Antandrus (talk) 15:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok then, I won't bother you with orange bars either :) Have a fun day, think of me 2-ish EST. Mak (talk) 15:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

whyyyy Thank you! I didn't realize that. Hey. I got a question for you, maybe? I want to (re)submit Dallas, Texas for FA status.. How does one get a peer review done of an article? Thanks drumguy8800 C T 03:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Flourishment

-- how are you going to handle the "fl. xxxx-xxxx"? I always have trouble with this. Once upon a time the List of Renaissance composers was in birth order (someone changed it, rather to my annoyance, but I haven't changed it back) -- anyway it's a problem I haven't solved. Any thoughts? Antandrus (talk) 04:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Ach, I don't know. I was thinking of asking you. Also, the people who only have a known death date are a problem. I'm really just trying to do it to help with categorizing, and making sure they're on the correct "List of x composers" lists, so being exact isn't that important. I might just put the flourishing people with people who were probably born around the same time (figure at least 16 years before flourishing, and just kind of smack them in).

BTW, nevermind about that link, I found out about it when I was at the concert, and then they were rebroadcasting it once, but that's over now :( Arrrr, it was ok, I never know how to feel about concerts. I could have done better, maybe, but there were no mistakes which would be obvious to someone who didn't know the piece, I think. There were, of course, microphone problems, but they weren't a huge deal. Mak (talk) 04:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Still wish I'd heard it.  :-) I was having family dinner so I was late anyway; I can get the stream if I open a port in my firewall.

Previously I'd been adding 20 or 25 years to the initial fl. date to put them in the list if they were composers, so sounds like we had the same idea. Another possibility is having separate headings "17th century birthdate not known" "18th century birthdate not known" etc. But it's more useful than simple alpha order I think. Antandrus (talk) 04:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

baroque quetion

Thanks, but I think I shold just find the answers myself now because its probably going to be considered cheating by my teacher. # BROWNSAY SOMETHING!!! | 13:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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How do you archive your page? Shadin Thanks! Shadin was clueless

Need assistance

I talk to you because you greeted me when I (finally) signed up months ago.

I have an administrator that chastised me, undid my edits, and referred me to the style manual - which shows that I was completely correct in what I did. Now, this admin will NOT respond, and I have said that I am now going to let the sloppiness, misspellings, bad grammar, and poor writing go unedited by me.

Isn't there an element of responsibility involved with being an admin? Apollyon48 06:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes admins get busy in Real Life at times that are annoying to other users. No one has an absolute obligation to spend any time on Misplaced Pages whatsoever. I can't see where this conflict is taking place. If the admin was incorrect and doesn't say anything more, I suggest you just be bold and follow the appropriate guideline. Admins don't actually have any extra editorial control or even insight than any other editor. I don't see that there's anything specific I can do for you, other than suggest you simply continue editing, and not necessarily press for an apology. Mak (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Wonder why you delete my page as it is as important as your page which talk about your personal musical interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpgoh (talk • contribs)

prize

hi Mak, thank you very much for correcting the price/prize, it is an award. I have now deleted the text in the price article since I couldn't find a way to change the spelling mistake in the title. now i cannot work out how to delete the entire article, so it's empty and I have made the article under the right name- prize. If you can help me I will appreciate it. Thank you again, English is not my first language and I'm new at this Tinebrown 06:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Brian Quintana

Thank you. That was getting rather tiring. --Geniac 02:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Would it be possible to change the "this article's entry on articles for deletion" wikilink at Brian Quintana to point to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Brian quintana (lowercase q) or to create a redirect at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Brian Quintana (uppercase Q) pointing there? --Geniac 15:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's fixed. Mak (talk) 15:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Also, I've just found that User:Wikwnick has created BrianQuintana (no space). Thought you should know. --Geniac 17:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

This looks like the same article repeatedly recreated (and speedied G4) a few days ago by Dollys (talk · contribs). Similar content, without the links, (also updated by Dollys) is at User:Brianq. Fan-1967 18:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The issues with this article are somehow related to the edit wars/vandalism referenced at WP:ANI#Pedro Zamora and Judd Winick. I can't keep the parties straight, but clearly one should not invite Winick and Quintana (or their friends) to the same party. -- Fan-1967 18:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

What a mess. Does anything need to be done about it at the moment? Mak (talk) 20:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't think so. There's a note in ANI to keep an eye on the Zamora and Winick articles. Some sort of ongoing feud between Winick and Quintana. Current issue seems to be caused by Quintana and/or his supporter(s). Fan-1967 20:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Should BrianQuintana get the same treatment as Brian Quintana? --Geniac 12:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Brian Quintana II. --Geniac 18:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Argh. Deleted, not salted, but watchlisted, re-creator sock indef-blocked for disruption. Mak (talk) 18:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Listing by date

That's actually pretty funny; you could have a new cat. We have a category for year of birth unknown, maybe one for year of birth unstated ... Putting her with the "flourished" group as 20 years older might be a good idea. You have to put her somewhere. Alternatively have a separate sublist for year-of-birth-unknown-or-unstated for those who are still living. Hm ... Antandrus (talk) 04:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks..

For the support in my crusade of stomping out vandals. I'm getting more accustomed to the correct warnings to use and how to use them. It seems like you've checked up on me today.. I really appreciate it. :D --Bluesquareapple 16:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

This is my favorite community I've ever been part of. The vandals aren't very smart, though.. I'm just here to help sustain Misplaced Pages in it's designed state. --Bluesquareapple 16:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt help

i'm impressed with your promptness in getting things done. I was wondering how to change the heading of the article Singapore life church to Singapore Life Church as a delete would not work and i'm impressed with the solution you have done - redirect the old page to the new page. Thanks again Mak. Wpgoh 18:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem! After you've been here a little while you get a "move" tab along with the "edit" and "history" tabs, and you can change an article's title with that. Mak (talk) 20:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Busted

LOL, I was at work and got interrupted before I could complete the replacement ... heh... :-0 Antandrus (talk) 01:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:) Mak (talk)

Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome, I really appreciate it! Neil Erickson 22:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Neil Erickson

Offended?

Me? God no. I'm sorry I didn't back to you earlier about the continuo, but I've been rather busy and then this Boisseau nonsense flared back into life over the last few days, as you know. I'll sort it out later this evening - I would do it now but I'm just off to play to tennis, would you believe. I've got three matches (in one day!!) to play for my county tomorrow and I need to get some decent practice in. Hope all the singing is going well - I listened to your recordings at Dido and Aeneas and Lute song and your voice sounded sublime. Cheers, Moreschi 10:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

lol, I think sublime might be going a bit far, but thanks. The singing went pretty well, plus I got my first NYT review! Yay! I'm glad you're not offended about the continuo thing, it can be so hard to tell online sometimes. Good luck with your matches. Mak (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Ooh. Is there an online link where I can read the review? E-mail the response to me if you want, it's not a great idea for the deranged vandals of this world to work out who the people who revert and block them are. Matches tomorrow, so early bed tonight. Moreschi 15:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

You have mail. Moreschi 09:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing: would you mind checking out Agrippina (opera) again, and my post on the talk page? I think the recitative problems have been fixed. Moreschi 16:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out. BTW, how well do you understand all this copyright stuff? I just uploaded to Commons, but is that O.K? I thought so anyway, seeing as the painter died about 280 years ago. Moreschi 19:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

(Eavesdropping) As far as I understand it, a two-dimensional reproduction, which is not in itself original, of an image which is itself in public domain, is not protected. See the {{PD-art}} template and info; here's the first example I found Image:Rembrandt_van_rijn-self_portrait.jpg. Of course IANAL and all that, but I think we're safe on this kind of stuff. Antandrus (talk) 21:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, two dimensional images of PD two dimensional objects should be PD, according to Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. in the US. It's not as certain that this applies to two dimensional images of things which come out of PD books, although as a non-lawyer I'd say it probably does. Mak (talk) 23:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

List

You're welcome!  :-) Hey, if you're anything like me, that forest of redlinks makes me want to turn my cell phone OFF, shut the door, and hole up with a stack of encyclopedias for a week or two. Antandrus (talk) 00:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Heck yeah :) Mak (talk) 01:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice work adding the names!! We've needed that.  :) Antandrus (talk) 03:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Duck Butter

Thanks for stepping in and pouring some oil on troubled waters: he did seem disgruntled, didn't he? Best wishes, RobertG ♬ talk 09:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Flow my tears

God I love this piece. I'm listening to my various recordings of it ... Andreas Scholl does it a minor third lower than you (in F# minor); I've got Emma Kirkby in a pile of CDs somewhere else, and yet another somewhere. Thanks for putting up the article up! Could use a bit on its 20th century use ... or anything else. It's incredibly famous. Nice work! Antandrus (talk) 01:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

AWB

I totally understand your anger. Perhaps you could contact Martin about this problem with Priest and Preist. IA (talk) 19:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

- LOL!! I nearly fell off the chair! Moreschi 19:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC) (There's nothing worse than a woman scorned - except a messed-up machine...).

Zomg, I am so not a woman scorned. I was a woman hungry and irritated. Plus, I haven't told you I'm a woman, so you have to put any references to me as such "in" "quotes". The problem is, I don't want to have to babysit my articles from vandals, trolls, POV pushers, and well-meaning people who can't watch their bots properly. Perhaps the comment will fix the problem, but probably not. Mak (talk) 22:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I wasn't saying you were. The intention was to compare the sterotypical "woman scorned" (Hell hath no fury etc) to a that effects of a bot going crazy. Anyway, I'm still laughing. I've put the Preist (come on, fix it AWB people. Dare ya!!) article on my watchlist, something I should have done before, so two pairs of eyes can watch it. BTW, I'll be away in Dorset Monday-to-Friday, so no wiki for me. See you round! Moreschi 22:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for the much needed laugh. I feel much better now about not making myself learn those god-damned automated "tools". (I even RC patrol the old-fashioned way, i.e. using that much disparaged but occasionally useful quality known as "human intuition".) Antandrus (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

A mutual friend of ours

I know technically an admin should have responded to this request, but I felt that my response was appropriate. Feel free to overrule me. Fan-1967 22:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you're completely right. Mak (talk) 22:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I got a note from her you may find interesting: User talk:Fan-1967#Hello from Christina. -- Fan-1967 20:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Page move

Thanks - I didn't know what to do because of the redirect. I was afraid of creating 'double-re-direct'. I didn't know the page history would be lost. Silverwhistle 11:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

re: Jacuzzi Edit After citing the patent number, and verifying that Candido, Not Roy was the inventor I have re-edited the page.

I have also re-added the link to Jason International, which is owned by the Jacuzzi Family. pajacuzzi

Don't worry.

I only gave her page a cursory look. I wasn't aware it was a C&P until I looked at their edit log. I was actually referring to myself. I should have caught that. HalfShadow 00:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know

On 2 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Flow my tears, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 08:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Concerning "Flow my teares"

Could you please point me - which of your links provide the score for the song instead of the one I put in and you deleted? Thanks. Architeuthis 16:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

They don't, but the link you provided doesn't lead directly to the score, and after the maze of links you have to follow, you don't get to a good edition, you get to a so-so vocal-only edition, which in terms of this song is kinda pointless. Sorry, I meant to put removing the link in my edit summary. Mak (talk) 18:08, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That B.S.

Ah, yes, cheap thrills :-) ... and with this one originally I had "ass backwards contributor" but decided that might stray beyond the civility boundary. Too bad though, I thought it was funnier. Antandrus (talk) 22:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I seem to remember that block. You're always so civil! I tend to sit on the line of civility too often, I think (see above... well, anywhere). But usually if I cross the line I'm pretty quick to apologize, so I guess that's good. Mak (talk) 22:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Our external links to mdmfiber.com (a 100% recycled, reformed carpet fiber) are certainly relevant and important to the articles to which we attach them.

MDM Fiber

Our external links to mdmfiber.com (a 100% recycled carpet fiber) are certainly relevant and important to the articles to which we attach them. Suggest you learn about the material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulbracegirdle (talk • contribs)

• If you look at the other links on those pages, you'll see that they are far more applicable and widely relevant than your commercial link to a commercial company. Your use of the word "our" implies either a corporate role account or a multiple user account, both of which are not allowed under Misplaced Pages policy. Please read WP:EL for more on what are and are not appropriate external links. I still believe that the link you added was not an appropriate external link. Mak (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense. I typically use the word "our", however, I am the inventor of the technology. My information that is offered is both relevant and important. I assume you failied to notice that entire page is written to self promote the writer. It actually applies to an asepct of a technology (although what is offered is not new) that is used extensively overseas. I will appreciate your replacment of my links.

Deleted Links

Well, Mak, it looks like you are on a rampage of deleting links, but you'll have to admit that you are capable of making mistakes, and the kneejerk reaction that you made to the article I added was just such a mistake.

I take issue with your characterization of the expert articles which I referenced as "spam." I took care to isolate a specific article which is covered under the exception to Misplaced Pages policies regarding blog sites. It is a self-published work by an expert in his field of expertise. Frank Merriman is one of the few teachers left in the world carrying on the authentic art of Bel Canto singing and he comes from an authentic lineage traced back to the Bel Canto era. He is a full-time professori who has been teaching nothing but authentic Bel Canto for forty years. He is an expert teacher who has lectured internationally at arts conferences alongside such well-known figures as opera singer Renatta Scotto.

I did not link arbitrarily to a blog in general, but to a specific article. The article I linked to does not contain an invitation to engage in commerce in any way. It simply identifies the author and his professional reputation and experience.

I intend to do further work on these articles on Misplaced Pages, which are sloppy, poorly written and had very little in the way of reference material. They need work and I'm here to help! DismasMama 00:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I reviewed the above edit. Mak's position is pretty strong: The blog says "Santley wrote (in The Art of Singing):", so the reference should properly be to Santley's work. -- Paleorthid 17:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Mail

You have mail. BTW, if it came from a funny e-mail adress then just ignore and send to the usual one accessible from my userpage. I'm not quite sure what went on there. Tabs can be confusing. Cheers, Moreschi 20:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I've replied. Dang tabs :) Mak (talk)

Cesar Chavez

Hi, I am still new here. I saw you posted on my talk page, so I thought I would ask you. I made some edits on Cesar Chavez. I corrected some grammar errors, and made it a bit more precise. My edits have been reverted twice without a statement of cause. I can't fathom what the issue is. I even asked for the rational.Is there something I am doing wrong? Thanks. CraigMonroe 22:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess that must be it. I don't understand the issue. If you read through the article, it states he is a Mexican-American several times. Ce'st la vie.

I may try your approach, though after looking over the talk page, it seems as if two users are set in their ways and unwilling to attempt to reach consensus. I'm not sure it is worth the effort. Thanks again. I appreciate the help.CraigMonroe 22:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Answered on your talk. Mak (talk) 22:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)