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I think it is very strange that most information on this page states an obscure article written in 1954 as its source, presenting the information as if it was undisputed and factual. It is hardly a scientific fact that Nordic people have "mouths that stick out". I know nothing on this subject, but my common sense tells me a clean-up is quite desperately required. Tangsiuje 19:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

My guess is anti-racialists (folks who oppose racial classification of ANY kind) are responsible for this. They seem to be using obscure sources and discredited 19th century anthropologists as their primary references in order to make racial classification look as arbirtary and ridiculous as possible. I wouldn't call that non-POV. -- Gerkinstock 03:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The definition of Caucasoid for anthropologist and archaeologist is vastly different that what is written here. Caucasoid refers to persons of E. Asia and Australian decent. Its roots are in osteological science, characterized by particular configurations within bone structure. Native American ancestors reached the new world through Beringa (land bridge) and are considered to be of Caucasoid descent. Mitochondrial DNA evidence tells scientist that there is a link between Native Americans and Asians.

sources

Much of the information in this and the Mongoloid article is from Carleton S. Coon's "Origin of Races". This article is badly in need of more recent information from mainstream physical anthropologists. We should also avoid obviously POV statements like calling Coon "the greatest craniofacial anthropometrist of the 20th century". Such attributions only serve to qualify much of the racist and outdated material of this article. --Pravit 03:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, I question the legitmacy of many of the claims and sources. For example, some of the references are from a Geocities website. That's not usually a a sign of academic legitimacy. Scientific topics should be backed up by sources like academic journals or university departments.Spylab 13:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• What is this? 55% of the world is caucasoid? Italians in the same category with Indians? I think this whole article should be deleted. Thulean 13:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

British Isles and Mediterranean (Latin)

I would remove British Isles from the Mediterranean (Latin) section.

Not only is it very unlikely (since only recent immigration has had minor impact on the population of greater London), but the claim it is also lacking citation.

One could say that there has been a minor Mediterranean influence on the American population (since the 1500s), but of course that would be a humorous claim to make.

http://medish.shorturl.com/

deleted sentence - the concept of Caucasoid race came from anthropologists & academics, not out of thin air)

Actually, both. Early anthropologists (and we are talking about early anthropologists as race has been disproven in modern anthropology) did a lot of their work by armchair just thinking stuff up. -Psychohistorian 18:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, but as I wrote in your talk section, it was still academics who invented the concept, not random people on the street. The fact that the concept of Caucasoid has been proven false doesn't change the fact that it was commonly used term in academia at one time. The goal of this article is to document the origins, usage and criticisms of the term, with cited references. There should not be unsourced point of view pushing. Spylab 18:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• • The fact that it was used in academia at one time does not change the fact that it was created out of thin air. I'm all for using cited reliable sources - the more of them, the better. -Psychohistorian 18:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• • • The concept of Caucasoid was proven false? By whom? Some neo-marxist anti-racial mythologists? The core of the Caucasoid race came into being about 45 000 years ago in the Near East - all people belonging to the "Caucasoid race" have the same genetic origin: they bear Y-haplogroup F. Centrum99 23:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
    • By the way, I feel sick while reading all this nauseous PC propaganda on pages about race. But we in the former Eastern Block enjoyed a similar propaganda during a long 40 years, so enjoy the same Neo-marxist vomit now "in the West"! Centrum99 23:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Curious

I would like to know what the average arm, leg, and torso length etc is for europeans.

• The average trunk index (trunk length/height ratio) in Europeans is roughly between 51,5-53%, in Africans it is 48-51%, in Asians 53-54%. The average arm span of Europeans is ca. 103% body height (101-106%). The average arm length/body height ration is about 44,1% (in Africans it is ca. 45%). Centrum99 23:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Population

US National Library of Medicine defines caucasoid as "European Continental Ancestry Group" . Therefore they can not make 55% of the world population. The source, apologeticspress, doesnt seem credible anyways. So I'll delete that line. Thulean 22:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)