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Sia (musician) article revert
@Ssilvers: Brining this page to your attention since you reverted mention of LSD on Sia's article. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- This article should be deleted. The three artists merely collaborated on a song, and there is no such "supergroup", despite what some of the optimistic press calls it. The reference given does not support the article. This appears to be a case of WP:CRYSTAL. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:06, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- I agree, but we'll also find out tomorrow what "LSD" means, so I suggest we wait until then before deciding what to do with this article. In the meantime, I've added another tag to the top of the article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:29, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Page move
Per WP:CRYSTAL, I've moved the page to "LSD (collaboration)", since no one has acted to delete it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:39, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- But plenty of sources specifically call LSD a supergroup. Another track is being released in a few days, and an album is anticipated. I vote for moving the article back to LSD (supergroup). ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:03, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- Is there a WP:RS that says an album is anticipated? What is the ref for another track being released in a few days? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:05, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/diplo-sia-announce-new-group-with-upbeat-new-song-genius-w519789 / ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:08, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you. Until a release date for the album is announced, I consider the information to be WP:CRYSTAL, and two singles do not, I believe, make a "group", regardless of what some in the press may call it. In English it is called a "collaboration", and that is what Variety called it, so we have ample reason to call it what it is commonly called in English. I am working on a novel, a screenplay, and album and all will win the Pulitzer Prize. I am also working on my Nobel-prize-winning research. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:12, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- I"d argue Rolling Stone is more authoritative than Variety here. Also, supergroup:
- All of these sources are better than Variety for music info, IMO. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:18, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you. Until a release date for the album is announced, I consider the information to be WP:CRYSTAL, and two singles do not, I believe, make a "group", regardless of what some in the press may call it. In English it is called a "collaboration", and that is what Variety called it, so we have ample reason to call it what it is commonly called in English. I am working on a novel, a screenplay, and album and all will win the Pulitzer Prize. I am also working on my Nobel-prize-winning research. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:12, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/diplo-sia-announce-new-group-with-upbeat-new-song-genius-w519789 / ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:08, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- Is there a WP:RS that says an album is anticipated? What is the ref for another track being released in a few days? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:05, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Whoa! Please look again: Rolling Stone does not call it a supergroup. So that supports the move away from supergroup. Variety is certainly a better source than MTV and NME and, as I said, it has the virtue of agreeing with the English language and WP:CRYSTAL, since the three artists have not made an official announcement referring to themselves as a "supergroup". -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:30, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- I did not say RS said "supergroup"; I was using this source in reply to your questions re: "Audio" and the upcoming album. I was providing the other sources re: "supergroup". Regardless, even the RS source says "group", which I think is more fitting than "collaboration". ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:33, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- No, it is less fitting. A musical "group" is something that is ongoing. What is the rush here? Why not, per WP:CRYSTAL, wait for an official announcement of an album that refers to the group as an ongoing supergroup, or at least makes it clear that this is intended to be an ongoing group? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:35, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) The artists don't need to release an announcement specifically referring to themselves a supergroup. We go based on secondary coverage. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- Again, a musical "group" is something that is ongoing. What is the rush? Why not, per WP:CRYSTAL, wait for an official announcement of an album that at least makes it clear that this is intended to be an ongoing group? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:38, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think either of us feel too strongly about this, but I still disagree and I don't think either of us will change our minds until the next round of press coverage. I say we just let other editors weigh in. See below. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:41, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- Again, a musical "group" is something that is ongoing. What is the rush? Why not, per WP:CRYSTAL, wait for an official announcement of an album that at least makes it clear that this is intended to be an ongoing group? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:38, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages editors, is LSD a "collaboration" or a "supergroup"?
Is LSD a "collaboration" or a "supergroup"? Should this page live at LSD (collaboration) or LSD (supergroup)? You decide! :) ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:41, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- Collaboration, until it actually becomes something a little more tangible. (I'm not sold on "collaboration" either, but in the absence of anything else, this will do for now.) - SchroCat (talk) 05:06, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- Neither, Group. Apologies for moving the page without any discussion as I did not see the discussion prior to doing it. WP:BANDDAB states that for musical groups, (band), (group), (vocal ensemble), or (duo) should be used. This follows consistency on Misplaced Pages, and other disambiguation tags should not be made up. Groups are a collaborative effort, and regardless of what sources say, a collaborative musical act is a group/band, a mere "collaboration" under a group name cannot exist. I must also note that by mere definition, this is a supergroup. Some sources agree with this, so it may be worth noting on the page. But as I have stated before, we don't make up additional disambiguation tags, and only (group) should be used for this. (Or (band), but that is another debate). Lazz_R 18:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Chart table
@Mn1548: Thanks for adding the charts table. Should the NZ position for Genius (LSD song) also be added? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:19, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Another Believer: You're welcome. There is no reason why the NZ Heatseeker position can't be added at this moment in time. The only reason why I didn't is because if and when "Genius" gains 10 main singles chat positions (the max. number for discography tables) then the Heatseekers column will probably be removed as it is not a main singles chat. But for the time being it can be added if you want. Mn1548 (talk) 13:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- I think it is better to add only the main singles charts from these regions. The main charts are more significant. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:49, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Source
---Another Believer (Talk) 22:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Album title
Per Metacritic, the group's debut album will be self-titled. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:34, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- I've created a stub at LSD (album). ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:56, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Mountains (EP)
Hmm, that's surprising. I thought we were waiting on a full-length album release. I'm not sure if the 4 song articles should be updated to reflect their inclusion on Mountains, or if we should wait to see about the self-titled album. Also, is the EP available for purchase on outlets other than Spotify? In the meantime, I've redirected Mountains (LSD EP) to this article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:54, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- They never said that what's coming is a full-length album, or that this is an EP, so let's not make assumptions. These days a 4-song EP can be an album. So if none of sources referred to this EP as the album they're initially talking about, it's fine. As far as I know, Spotify is the only digital retailer to bundle all their previous singles into one package, as they often do with other artists. Hayman30 (talk) 00:38, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Hayman30: I understand, but I should mention, regarding this edit, Spotify does say Mountains is an EP. I've got it up on my screen now. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm interesting, I see now that Rolling Stone called it an EP. It just shows up as an "album" in the Spotify app but they call anything with more than two tracks an album. Hayman30 (talk) 06:23, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be another album-building scenario, where every month or whenever LSD releases a new song they update the EP on each platform to include the latest song and retitle it that. One thing's for sure: four three-minute tracks is not a studio album, it would only be an EP, so I think in that regard, Hayman30 is right. Ss112 07:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what we should do here. Clearly, LSD was not released on November 2. Should we keep the LSD album article, or move the content over to Mountains (LSD EP) and redirect LSD (album) to LSD (group) since there's now no confirmed release date for a full-length album? True, the EP may be part of a bigger release, but for now, we don't have info on anything bigger. Right? Certainly the album article should not have a November 2 release date. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be another album-building scenario, where every month or whenever LSD releases a new song they update the EP on each platform to include the latest song and retitle it that. One thing's for sure: four three-minute tracks is not a studio album, it would only be an EP, so I think in that regard, Hayman30 is right. Ss112 07:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm interesting, I see now that Rolling Stone called it an EP. It just shows up as an "album" in the Spotify app but they call anything with more than two tracks an album. Hayman30 (talk) 06:23, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Hayman30: I understand, but I should mention, regarding this edit, Spotify does say Mountains is an EP. I've got it up on my screen now. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Changes to their album name is needed
As it was guessed, it would be called LSD, however it ended up being called Mountains containing all 4 (Genius, Audio, Thunderclouds & their new song "Mountains". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Planefam (talk • contribs) 04:28, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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