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Issues with conduct of the user Tsumikiria, who has continuously attacked other users in this talk page. I will go through each archive, documenting questionable behavior on this talk page specifically.

Archive 5

• Not applicable

Archive 4

• Unsubstantiated claims accusing another user of violating WP:OR. Tsumikiria states,

  Oh! Gardening! Just because someone buys groceries doesn't alleviate their positions. "not necessarily a goal of Gab but a side effect of free speech" This is pure WP:OR. If you have no published, reliable, secondary sources to back this, there is no place for it on Misplaced Pages. Free speech does not mean someone can just spew their racist rant without taking consequences. The reports on Arxiv are quantitative study backed by data of real gab posts, and that's what we're going to use.

The message that this is in response to does not violate WP:OR. The message didn't encourage editing the article with original research, and it was in the talk page. WP:OR refers to content in the Misplaced Pages article, not necessarily the opinions of another Misplaced Pages editor.

• Accusing another editor of blaming them for a shooting, and accusing them of straw manning, as well as shaming them for being a new user. Tsumikiria states in response to another user,

  Oh you blame me for the shooting? When did I say I endorse them? Good job constructing a straw man, and congrats that this is your 5th ever edit on Misplaced Pages.

• Implies a possible act of whitewashing, simply because another user was discussing Gab's possible new logo.

  Whether or not is this a blatant whitewashing and cashing in attempt aside, it is pretty likely that this tragedy-inspired change will be temporary. And Misplaced Pages is not a place to document marketing stunts. Looks like Torba deleted the tweet introducing this logo after getting widely condemned. Maybe the event could be included in text if a reliable source wrote about this.

• Implied that I wanted to "mass remove" sections.

  The site's far-right users are the primary if not sole reason why it is notable. The whole article could be well removed if there is no mention to its users because it is a UGC and who care about some marketing languages. And it's not like the user section is the foremost section with 90% weight or something. We don't mass remove things like this.

• Writes off discussion as "Meaningless"

  This discussion is meaningless. We could as well write Twitter as antisemitic, if only they advertise to, align themselves to, and uses the same rhetoric as antisemites just like what Gab does.

Archive 3

• Accuses another user of "Strawmanning", engaging in irrelevant discussion, and painting things in a misleading light.

Strawman, irrelevant discussion. Sensitive material means many users has reported the user in question. This is part of twitter's quality filter. Stop painting things unders misleading light.

• Belittling another user by implying that they might want to white-wash the article.

If by "there" you mean we have to erase any mention of white supremacist membership and state up front that Gab is a completely innocent angel of free speech human rights etc, please, no.

Archive 2

• Not Applicable.

Archive 1

• Not Applicable

Current talk page as of 12/4/2018

• Insinuates that Gab is my "favorite gathering place". Belittles me by saying that my opinion doesn't matter, and accuses me of calling into question the legitimacy of a quote by another article, and implies that I might be here to defend "repugnant views".

It is understandable that you think your favorite gathering place is not getting good treatments, but your own opinion matters nothing to Misplaced Pages. And seeing you using quotation marks aroud the term antisemetic, if you are here to defend repugnant views that "advocated for genocidal violence against Jewish people", or to question the classification of it as anti-Semitic, you might not be here to build an encyclopedia.

• Accuses me of ignoring wikipedia guidelines, accuses me presenting opinions as facts, and accuses me of asserting that deplatforming is censorship.

This conversation can serve no further purpose if you continue to ignore basic Misplaced Pages guidelines on not presenting your own interpretations as facts. Your assertion that deplatforming is censorship is also not supported. We don't write something as facts because you think they are in line with definitions on Misplaced Pages. Reliable, authoritative sources have no overwheming support for such assertions. And yes, your further edit requests will be ignored and archived, if they are clear violations of Misplaced Pages guidelines.

• Implying that I want to mass delete and doctor valid content, accuses me of creating a false balance, accuses me of filibustering, accuses me of white-washing, and again insinuates that Gab is my favorite website. The user also tells me I've contributed nothing, and am wasting everyone's time.

Impressive 11,000 text wall you've composed. No, we will not mass delete and doctor valid content and replace them with fig leaf "free speech aspect" that no reliable source treats seriously. You cannot create false balance out of thin air. Misplaced Pages policies does not back your filibustering that suggests a motive of whitewashing your favorite website. You have contributed nothing of value to the article or anywhere else on Misplaced Pages and please stop further wasting everyone's time

• Accuses me of gaming the system, and accuses me of expecting people to reply to every single sentence I made.

The specific thing is that you are relentlessly gaming the system. You listed everything that doesn't submit to your own viewpoint and do you expect us to reply to every single sentence you listed? Of course you're going to declare "But you didn't respond to my points!" Stop wasting time.

• Again accuses me of filibustering in attempt to change the article, accuses me of soapboxing, and advocates that I be topic banned based on the allegation that I'm disruptive, and accuses me of bad faith editing.

absolutely overwhelming number of sources report Gab because of its far-right users. Phrase should be duly included in the first sentence. SPA RfC proposer has relentlessly filibustered to make the article submit to his "free speech perspective" soapboxing, as you can see in his latest 10-page essay above. Per Jorm, editor should be topic banned for being frustratingly disruptive and WP:NOTHERE.

In conclusion

The user Tsumikiria appears to be POV railroading. The user also appears to be using Misplaced Pages as a Battleground.