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Pali: Dead language.

There is an extensive literature in Pali that is "living". How can it be called dead? I propose that relevant defintion be modified.

The facts: There are words in Pali literature that are attributed to "Buddho Bhagava". Those words should be considered as the origin of the language. Of course, like any other languge, it changed over the course of 2500 years. We now have an extensive literature. For example see Hinuber.Dgdcw (talk) 12:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Please follow the link (also given in the lede) to the WP article on dead languages. A dead language, by definition, is a language that no longer has any native speakers. Pali fits this definition (i.e. there are currently no people on Earth whose first language is Pali). For comparison, Latin also has an extensive literature and is still widely studied, yet is considered a dead language.--William Thweatt 17:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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Reasons for Buddhist use of Pali

I'm not sure that the motivations for this are very clearly explained in the article as it stands today (you have to read very far down in the article and fill in some gaps). Originally, Buddhists wanted to use a language that was much closer to what people spoke in their daily lives in order to make doctrines accessible to all (as opposed to the Brahmins' use of archaic Sanskrit, only taught to a relative few). However, as the spoken languages kept evolving down the centuries, Pali itself eventually became increasingly remote from everyday speech, and some Pali writings became subjected to Sanskritizing influences... AnonMoos (talk) 14:13, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

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threvada buddhism's Pali and mahayana's BHS

im not sure why buddhist texts are dated so late when we clearly know that pali and BHS are older languages, even wikipedia acknowledges that pali and BHS are earlier than middle indo aryan like prakrits which are dated to third cen BC. SO i dont understand why there is so much issue regarding dating pali and BHS texts from the late buddhist period, i dont know why western scholars are so interested in dating indian stuff late. i was listening to Mr. Richard Salomon and he also dates the buddhist texts from the period actual buddhist manuscripts have been discovered knowing fully well that buddhist manuscripts may have not survived indian environment and thus only north india/ central asian regions manuscripts have been found. The amaravathi and buddhist centers there which produced loads of buddhist texts date back pre mauryan times. Pali and BHS have been declared as mixed languages even though its clearly a misnomer, these languages are more archaic and perhaps were preserved solely because of the religions like jainism, buddhism and other sramanic religions who didn't like sanskrit or liturgical language of the brahmins. First of all the entire buddhist hybrid notion is a misnomer, which is aimed at reducing the importance of these pre prakritic languages, secondly these languages who's texts have survived not being acknowledged as earlier period than prakrits and thirdly not being categorized as an earlier middle indo aryan languages. i think the sole reason for their classification is that if these texts are dated earlier, they will force the scholarship to date brahmic alphabets earlier and with that chances of connecting the brahmi with aramaic, attempts of which have already partially failed become almost zero since it is likely to coincide with achaemenid pre aramaic adoption period of pure cuneiform. I wont even mention the complications which arise with categorizing mitanni indo aryan language. Linguists want to keep a gap of least more than a thousand years before the middle indo aryans arise after the aryan migration 115.135.130.182 (talk) 03:13, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

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