Misplaced Pages

Talk:Rafael Cruz

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by FRadical Bot (talk | contribs) at 06:08, 8 January 2019 (→top: MiszaBot.* --> Lowercase sigmabot III at {{Auto archiving notice}} per BRFA). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Revision as of 06:08, 8 January 2019 by FRadical Bot (talk | contribs) (→top: MiszaBot.* --> Lowercase sigmabot III at {{Auto archiving notice}} per BRFA)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Rafael Cruz article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
Article policies
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Archives: 1Auto-archiving period: 3 months 
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
WikiProject iconBiography
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Misplaced Pages's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
WikiProject iconChristianity
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
WikiProject iconCuba
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Cuba, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Cuba related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CubaWikipedia:WikiProject CubaTemplate:WikiProject CubaCuba
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
WikiProject Cuba task list:

Task list

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
WikiProject iconUnited States: Texas Low‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States
LowThis article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Texas (assessed as Low-importance).
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Rafael Cruz article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
Article policies
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Archives: 1Auto-archiving period: 3 months 


References 4, 5, and 6

Why does reference 4 read like a separate article? It has the appearance of someone using reference toolkit to get people to read what in essence would otherwise be considered plagiarized material. The long quoted text is a waste of space and a distraction.

The source for reference 5 is a book Ted Cruz wrote. The source is supposed to be about his great grandparents but isn't available at the google search url given. The larger point is there is nothing in the paragraph where this reference says anything about Ted's great grandparents. It could be nothing more that clickbait to a book Cruz wrote. And even if it was referring to something in the article a book Cruz himself authored it would violate a number of wiki guidelines. What's it doing here?

Reference 6. The only reason for this link I can think of is possibly as a confirmation of his mothers name, and there should be better ways than this. It's more easily explained, again, as click bait to a poorly written piece the topic of Ted's citizenship.

So if these links are supposed to stand of proof this part has multiple sources it fails. It could be people trying to find things beneath the surface of the article to sneak things past wiki guidelines Jackhammer111 (talk) 03:10, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

  • The LHO in NOLA is obviously nonsense, with zero support in RSS.
  • Reference Four is badly written and inaccurate, and inconsistent with other stories Cruz has told. For instance, he claims in other sources that he began fighting with Castro when he was 14. That would have been when Castro was in jail for the attack on the Moncada barracks and Cruz was going to high school 400 miles away so he would have had to be teleporting back and forth.
  • References 6, 7 and 8 are similar nonsense. Cruz states he joined the Cuban revolution as a teenager and "suffered beatings and imprisonment for protesting the oppressive regime" of dictator Fulgencio Batista. The only original source for the "beatings" (plural) and imprisonment is Cruz himself, who has proven he is an unreliable source. A contemporary, I believe, said he did get beat up and probably spent overnight in jail (not "tortured") because he possessed an unlawful pistol. Cruz enrolled at the age of 17 at the University of Santiago in September 1956. (Maybe, but Cruz is the only source for that, and the supposed "torture" was supposed to have happened in Matanzas. He also has said he was "bombing buildings" and "throwing Molotov cocktails." The NY Times pretty thoroughly debunked that nonsense. 7 According to Cruz, as a teenager, he "didn't know Castro was a Communist". Cruz has stated in interviews that he was jailed by Batista for several days in June or July 1957 and after he was released he applied and was accepted by the University of Texas in August 1957. (Let's take this one fable at a time. He doesn't know exactly what month he was "in jail." His application would have been late for that school year but somehow his admission and a student visa were rapidly granted, an extremely dubious proposition. In order to qualify for admission and also for a student visa, he would have had to prove that he was fluent in English and did not require any U.S./Texas financial support. It was black letter law. He obtained a student visa after an attorney for the family bribed a Batista official to grant him an exit permit. (Why would it have taken a bribe, and if it did, who would be so foolish as to intervene and risk imprisonment?) Cruz said he left with $100 sewn into his underwear taking a two-day bus ride to the University of Texas, arriving with little or no English. (Why would he have sewn his traveling money into his underwear? So he had an excuse to take his pants off to buy a donut? He got on a ferry for Key West or Miami and took a bus to Austin. That would have taken a good deal of that $100 and left him arriving homeless and almost penniless in Austin.) He graduated from UT with a degree in mathematics and chemical engineering four years later in 1961. (Wow! That's probably true, a first, perhaps. He got married around his junior year and was living by then with his first wife, a fellow student, and becoming a father.) Cruz states he worked his way through college as a dishwasher, making 50 cents an hour and learned English by going to movies. (No, no and no. He's taking a full load in a difficult double major, supposedly can't speak any required English, and he has claimed he worked seven days a week for "50 cents an hour." "Sorry, Charlie." (sarcasm) The minimum wage in Texas in 1957 was $1 hourly and he didn't have a work permit. Working while on a student visa would have been grounds for deportation. An employer would have no reason to hire him and would face serious penalties if they did. There was a recession going on and legit labor was cheap. No one goes to the movies between purported dishwashing and all day classes, to learn how to read texts and understand lectures. On top of this, he was an admitted alcoholic when young, so his tall tales may become even more implausible. Therefore, almost everything he contends is true is demonstrably false. Misplaced Pages articles are not supposed to be works of fiction, and sole sourcing it to a liar is not requiring RSS. If the narrative can't be factual, the whole article should be taken down.) Activist (talk) 10:01, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Involvement in death of JFK

Can someone add in a section on the involvement of Mr Rafael Cruz in the death of JFK?

President Trump explained in 2016 that Rafael Cruz was linked to Lee Harvey Oswald.

What are the sources that President Trump cited?? How credible are they?

Since Mr Trump is now President of the USA, his statements must carry weight - and he has not retracted or apologized for these comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 (talk) 18:10, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

We considered this matter when the story was fresh. It was a crackpot story published by a tabloid. We don't consider tabloids to be reliable sources. To the extent that other sources mentioned it, they considered it to be a discredited story. The fact that Trump mentioned it did raise the profile of the story, but it still doesn't belong in Cruz's biography. Alsee (talk) 16:47, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Cuban Citizenship

The article subject's Cuban citizenship is referenced to several articles that do not, in fact, say that Cruz continues to be a Cuban citizen. They all agree that he was born and grew up in Cuba, that he was at one time a Canadian citizen, and that he is now an American citizen; but none of them state whether or not Cruz retained or renounced his Cuban citizenship at any point. I could not find any sources that confirm this one way or the other. It would not be appropriate to carry out original research to determine whether citizenship rules in Canada or the United States required renunciation of citizenship in another country at the time Cruz obtained them; at the same time, it would also be original research to interpret Cuba's citizenship rules as saying that Cruz is definitely a dual citizen. How best to resolve this? The sources don't support what is said in the article, but there don't seem to be any sources that could truly clarify the situation. Is the hypothetically ongoing Cuban citizenship really that relevant to the article? Risker (talk) 22:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Categories: