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I'd like to make an addition to the sentence "Trump was supported by other right-wing and far-right leaders in various countries, including Austria, Germany, Serbia, the Czech Republic, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Italy." to read "Trump was supported by other right-wing and far-right leaders in various countries, including Austria, Germany, Serbia, the Czech Republic, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Italy as well as the former Estonian PM and ex-chairman of the centre-left Estonian Centre Party".

I think it would be important to mention this as its shows that Trump was endorsed by some centrist and centre-left figures as well.--RedElector (talk) 12:27, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: See WP:FALSEBALANCE for why this is unnecessary and, ultimately, inaccurate. National presidential candidates are expected to attract centrist endorsements. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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"Savisaar toetaks USA presidendina Donald Trumpi - Eesti uudised - Postimees.ee". postimees.ee. Retrieved October 1, 2016.

== Second Amendment Comment

This page indicates that Trump's statement that Clinton wanted to abolish the second amendment is 'factually false'. While it was not strictly true, people are removing my comment that many people consider it to bear a degree of truth. Clinton expressed opposition to modern supreme court second amendment jurisprudence, which has thus far only affirmed mainstream understanding that the second amendment protects an individual right to firearm ownership. Overturning those decisions would indeed in effect 'abolish' the meaning of the amendment. Again, Clinton never expressly desired to repeal the amendment, but to say that such notion is false without any context is misleading to this page's readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulbrevik (talk • contribs) 15:07, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

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Second Amendment Comment

This page indicates that Trump's statement that Clinton wanted to abolish the second amendment is 'factually false'. While it was not strictly true, people are removing my comment that many people consider it to bear a degree of accuracy. Clinton expressed opposition to modern supreme court second amendment jurisprudence, which has thus far only affirmed mainstream understanding that the second amendment protects an individual right to firearm ownership. Overturning those decisions would indeed in effect 'abolish' the meaning of the amendment. Again, Clinton never expressly desired to repeal the amendment, but to say that such notion is false without any context is misleading to this page's readers. Reputable sources, (National Review, Federalist), have stood by the comment.

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Citation 768 is not working 22mikpau (talk) 00:58, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Russian collusion / interference

The content on this issue is all in the lede. None of it is in the body of this article. starship.paint ~ KO 01:17, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I have added a paragraph to the body of the article (and restored the content in the lead, with some updated sourcing, now that it is in the body). Neutrality 14:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Former chairman of the campaign Paul Manafort

The former chairman of this campaign, Paul Manafort, is currently in jail and on trial for conspiracy against the United States, being an agent of a foreign country, false statements and fraud. Oddly enough it isn't even mentioned in the article, despite being one of the most notable characteristics of this campaign, in terms of how much coverage in reliable sources it has received. --Tataral (talk) 21:28, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Why should it be in here? As his article says None of the charges that have been brought against Manafort are related to Russian interference in the 2016 election. -- Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 21:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Um, the chairman of this entity is in prison for conspiracy against the United States. A campaign which btw. had "lock her up" as its campaign slogan. I fail to see how that's not relevant from a neutral and encyclopedic perspective. This isn't just about Russian interference in the 2016 election either. --Tataral (talk) 23:25, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

This article is not about the chairman of the campaign, that article is at Paul Manafort. "lock her up" is not listed as one of the slogans in the article, and even still it is not really relevant as Manafort is a man. You have failed to demonstrate how this is relevant from a neutral or encyclopedic perspective. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Partisan views is not a reason to omit this material and you have failed to demonstrate why it's not relevant in this article that its chairman is in jail for conspiracy against the United States, especially considering that a major focus of this entity (campaign) was the alleged crimes of its opponent. --Tataral (talk) 07:16, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I have not said anything about partisan view. The WP:onus is on you to prove that something is relevant. Crimes, alleged or otherwise, of an opponent doesn't mean we should include charges on Manafort unless it is related. This is an encyclopedia not a newspaper. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 19:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Please read sources. Manafort's indictments are totally unrelated to his election work for Trump. — JFG 10:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

The Trump campaign made changes to the GOP platform about Ukraine in support of Putin's wishes. Manafort worked for the pro-Russian Ukraine President, all for the purpose of promoting Putin's wishes in Ukraine, and Manafort brought that work with him into the Trump campaign, and the campaign adopted Manafort's lobby work (for which he was richly rewarded, and for which he is now on trial) as part of its appeasement work with Putin, in return for which Putin allegedly promised to help Trump win, and for which Rosneft/Ukraine promises were allegedly made, with a share of the sale of Rosneft allegedly promised to Trump if he would lift the sanctions, which were tied to Ukraine and the Magnitsky Act sanctions. One of his first acts as president was to attempt to lift those sanctions, the lifting of which was also the subject of the Trump Tower meeting.

The proven help which then came from Russia to interfere in the election for Trump is all tied together, so this content is very relevant. We have a number of good articles here on these subjects, with many RS which document this series of events and ties between Russians, Ukraine, and Putin/Russia. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 11:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

WP:NOTAFORUM you know better. We do not need random conspiracy theories here that are unrelated to the subject. PackMecEng (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Here's one difference between us. What I've written is straight from our articles and (there) backed by RS. You don't seem to be aware of what RS say, and call this narrative "random conspiracy theories". What I wrote is in direct answer to the subject being discussed. By explaining how all this is related to the subject of this article, I help editors to understand what is relevant to keep, and what is not. That's not FORUM, but doing what we're supposed to do on a talk page. That you don't see it that way doesn't give you license to force your opinion by hatting my very serious explanation of events and alleged connections, all based on RS. I don't write my own suppositions. One editor's narrative based on RS is another editor's "random conspiracy theories". We base our content on RS, and I base my opinions on RS. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 18:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

No, you are expounding your own OR and fringe conspiracy theories that are not related to the section being discussed. PackMecEng (talk) 18:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Duly noted. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 19:04, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Mueller's team says there is a Trump campaign connection to the bank fraud case, according to CNN. This might warrant a mention in this article. _Gravity 22:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

That is actually an interesting article. A little bit of a stretch though. Basically a senior executive at a bank gave an override on a bank loan to get an advisor position on the campaign and hoped, but did not get, a position in the administration. PackMecEng (talk) 13:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Jim Comey's comments about Matthew Whitaker

You are invited to participate in Talk:Matthew Whitaker (attorney)#RfC: Jim Comey's comments about Matthew Whitaker. R2 (bleep) 21:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Roger Stone

Needs a new section now, I would suggest. Key wording is "During the summer of 2016, STONE spoke to senior Trump Campaign officials about Organization 1 and information it might have had that would be damaging to the Clinton Campaign. STONE was contacted by senior Trump Campaign officials to inquire about future releases by Organization 1."Casprings (talk) 11:59, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

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