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RfC: Do selective deletions of material make this article non-neutral?

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In February, a large amount of material was deleted from Lyndon LaRouche. The only explanation offered, in one of the edit summaries, was that the sources were "sketchy". Among the sources for the deleted material were the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Chicago Tribune, Corriere della Sera, and Xinhua. Other material sourced to these same publications was retained in the article. The deleted material depicted the subject in a relatively favorable light, while the retained material was unfavorable. Requests for an explanation on the talk page have gone unanswered. Should this article be considered non-neutral and display the "neutrality dispute" message? 75.27.248.232 (talk) 15:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Lyndon_LaRouche&diff=703959707&oldid=703959318 2602:304:B1BF:8E80:949E:1039:4EE1:D41C (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

• No, the article has not been made non-neutral by the removal of text which tried to make LaRouche seem like a respected thought leader in global politics when he is actually a fringe character. It's not the removal in February that made this article non-neutral, it was the much earlier additions of such text. So the removals fixed the problem. Binksternet (talk) 00:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

So, just to be clear: in your few, the source, for example New York Times, is not the problem, but rather that the viewpoint was incorrect? So we retain the negative comments from that source, but purge the positive comments? That's an odd approach to neutrality. 2602:304:B1BF:8E80:949E:1039:4EE1:D41C (talk) 16:26, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

There was one statement sourced to The New York Times : a Mexican official told The New York Times that LaRouche had arranged the meeting by representing himself as a Democratic Party official. That's hardly a positive statement. The problem is that it was included in a larger block of content misrepresenting LaRouche as a major figure in world politics by throwing out a whole bunch of insignificant meetings. See WP:COATRACK and WP:UNDUE. clpo13_(talk) 16:36, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

• No, that diff shows a badly needed purge of WP:NPOV-violating content. VQuakr (talk) 08:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
• Comment Summoned by the bot, It is reasonable to delete the unsourced content which the removed section had several. But there were sourced content in that section too, and I don't think they should be removed along with the junk stuff. There has to be a way to include them without conflating it with unsourced or poorly sourced commentary. I don't agree with the accusation of COATRACK. The content was directly relevant to the article subject, albeit sketchy in some parts.Darwinian Ape 13:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
• No the selective edits are not harming the neutral POV. Me-123567-Me (talk) 15:41, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
• Possibly I think that the deleted items should be considered on a case-by-case basis. Some are quite well sourced, some not. It looks to me like quite a few babies were tossed out with the bathwater. 99.27.104.103 (talk) 13:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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Silentstorm341 (talk) 23:22, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:45, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Time to clean up LaRouche entry.

There needs to be less needless glorification and more fair and accurate and balanced material on this page. Chip.berlet (talk) 16:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Reported Death

I'm seeing people saying on Twitter that LaRouche has died but none of them link to reliable sources saying so; can anyone confirm or not? Cooljeanius (talk) (contribs) 23:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Reported by their news service NSIPS.Chip.berlet (talk) 00:55, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Where? How do we confirm that? Still nothing on this from any reputable national news organization that I can see. (the only Google news hit is from the blog "Boing Boing" which sources it to "Twitter." john k (talk) 02:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

It would be helpful if you could provide a link to the New Solidarity International News Service report, Chip.berlet. What's available online at this moment does not meet Misplaced Pages's reliable source standards, and we should not be in a rush to update this article unless and until better sources are available. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

It seems to be true, from Mike Billington of EIR Magazine - https://twitter.com/mobeir2 - but as you say, doesn't yet fit the "Reliable Source" requirements. Cancerward (talk) 04:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

That's apparently the Twitter of Michael_Billington_(activist) but is not linked to from elsewhere, so although the death is pretty much a "fact", it's still not good enough for WP now. The account timeline goes back to 15 November 2016 and was created August 2014. I think the text at http://icont.ac/4dQLQ is probably the same as the report mentioned by Chip_Berlet above.Cancerward (talk) 08:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Just in case there's any doubt - FB pages of top EIR people filling with condolences. https://www.facebook.com/ted.andromidas and https://www.facebook.com/pat.ruckert ... https://twitter.com/DrMatthewSweet/status/1095599994990546944 Cancerward (talk) 09:29, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Full EIRNS article from Ron Wieczorek https://www.facebook.com/ron.wieczorek/posts/2148746848481759 Cancerward (talk) 21:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Good evening everyone, what about this? https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/2/12/1834283/-Lyndon-LaRouche-has-died-but-his-CTs-live-on KJS ml343x (talk) 04:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Not a credible source, unfortunately. Says at the top that it's a community post not reviewed by Daily Kos staff, and the article itself is just echoing what some people are saying on Twitter. Wall Screamer (talk) 06:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I am increasingly convinced that LaRouche is dead, but we really must have a reliable source reporting it in order to add it to this article. Misplaced Pages is not a breaking news source. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

It feels strange to be in a social transitional period where we can get plausible death reports but for there to be a disconnect to not have a statement from his institution or follow up from other media houses. LaRouche has been a monumental figure for decades and I expect broad interest in reports of his death. I confirm, nothing on his organization's website and seemingly nothing except rumors in online channels which report statements from individuals' social media accounts. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm shocked by the complete lack of confirmation. This man is iconic, like it or not. --Folengo (talk) 18:12, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

If he hasn't actually died (i.e. the reports are all baseless rumours), then there's nothing for them to confirm. A denial would be a different thing. -- Jack of Oz 21:11, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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Larouche died on Tuesday, February 12, 2019. 2601:2C6:5080:430D:E453:BFA0:8224:DBAC (talk) 04:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 04:47, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Alas, it does seem there is a reliabilty issue with all LaRouchite information sources. But why does this not extend to the questionable claims by his supporters on other pages about the LaRouchians here on Misplaced Pages?Chip.berlet (talk) 09:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Probably because no experienced, uninvolved Misplaced Pages editor has taken a close look at those pages, Chip.berlet. Cullen Let's discuss it 16:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

His death has been confirmed in public posts by people inside and favorable to the LaRouche network. Here are some confirmations: . From LaRouchites: https://www.facebook.com/ted.andromidas . https://www.facebook.com/pat.ruckert Chip.berlet (talk) 11:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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