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Infobox military conflict

I provided you with a link to Template:Infobox military conflict#Parameters. Did you read it? 'result – optional – this parameter may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive".' Mojoworker (talk) 22:58, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

British Empire

You are restoring contested edits. Per WP:BRD please self revert and take to the talk page -----Snowded 22:17, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

There is no deadlock, per WP:BRD there is no need.AlbionJack (talk) 22:19, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Consitution vs Guerriere

I have once again reverted your addition to the lead:

There was a large disparity in strength between the two frigates; Constitution was almost half as large again than Guerriere, had a far larger crew, a main deck battery of 24-pounder guns to Guerriere's 18 pounders, and was more strongly constructed than the French-built Guerriere, which was also in need of a refit. Although the Royal Navy was used to its home built frigates defeating French or Spanish ships of greater strength, Guerriere was a French built frigate and therefore not built as well as Royal Navy frigates, Constitution's victory was not surprising.

This is laying on the American advantages with a trowel, and its tone is therefore unacceptably POV. The disparity in strength is discussed in the body of the article, and a single sentence or phrase would suffice in any lead. You mention that the lead is copypasted from the War of 1812 article. Note that Misplaced Pages should not be a source for itself (WP:CIRCULAR). Finally, the assertion that "Constitution's" victory was not surprising" is a later, unsourced discussion. As the article and sources make plain, the Royal Navy had become used to its 38-gun frigates defeating the 44-gun frigates of the French and Spanish navies over the previous couple of decades, and Captain Dacres of "Guerriere" (and Carden of "Macedonian", who had not heard of "Guerriere's" defeat), and the RN generally, were unpleasantly surprised that the USN failed to accomodate this tradition. You are making original arguments which, being in the lead, are unduly prominent in the article. HLGallon (talk) 09:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)