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• The wildfires death toll has risen to 25. The main page currently says 24. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:26, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Panamitsu: There's no need to request the updating of such numbers (the number 24 wasn't incorrect, only outdated, as it was absolutely correctwhen posted). Administrators will update them without these requests. In this case, the the update was done just over an hour after your request, although the admin who did it probably didn't see your comment here. Animal lover |666| 09:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that of the 156 Conestoga wagons (pictured) brought to the Braddock Expedition of the French and Indian War, only one remained intact by the campaign's end? That's not what the article seems to say. "Only a few wagons of the Braddock Expedition ultimately remained, and they were returned to their original owners when the vehicles arrived at Wills Creek in Pennsylvania." and "In total, 156 wagons are thought to have been employed for the disastrous Braddock Expedition, the only wagon to survive intact being that of William Douglas." meaning that only one wagon survives until now, but multiple survived the expedition (or else they couldn't have been sent back to their owners surely). Fram (talk) 09:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

  Also, surely it should be 'employed by' or 'taken on' the expedition 'during' the war, not 'brought to ... of'. Modest Genius 13:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

  A rewording does not seem to be in the scope of Errors. The definition of "brought" is "take or go with (someone or something) to a place." which seems close enough to "taken on". SL93 (talk) 02:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

  Pinging nominator PrimalMustelid. SL93 (talk) 18:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is not what the source says. It says (I quote):

The number of Pennsylvania wagons that arrived back at Wills Creek has not been definitely established. For the service of their wagons, 30 owners received payment for a period greater than the 51 days, but of these, only 10 were paid for services beyond what appears to be July 20. Only the wagon of William Douglas, out of 146 wagons involved, seems to have survived the campaign intact. Inasmuch as the other owners were reimbursed for loss of their wagons, it is likely that those few that arrived back at Fort Cumberland were so badly damaged as to render them unserviceable, and therefore not worth driving back to eastern Pennsylvania.

In short, the writer is talking about the situation at the end of the campaign, where only the one appears to have survived the campaign in serviceable condition, the others being too damaged to be worth retaining.

Please note that I am about to log off so will not be able to respond further today. Gatoclass (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

So am I expected to emend the hook and/or article, or has the situation resolved itself? PrimalMustelid (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Can someone please pull or correct this? What's the purpose of this page? Fram (talk) 09:44, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Per Gatoclass, my read is that several wagons were in some form you could vaguely still call a wagon, not completely smashed to bits but not usable, a la a totaled car. Only one was actually intact. That could very much be clarified in the article, but as long as there's not a hook–source disagreement, I'm not currently seeing a need to pull. If another admin disagrees, they're welcome to hit the button. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

There is no indication that the wagons which were returned to their owners where "not usable". Only of the "those few that arrived back at Fort Cumberland were so badly damaged as to render them unserviceable" do we know that they were so badly damaged, but it seems (from Gatoclass' pst) that there were only 10 kept in use after 10 July anyway, the others either already damaged or sent back to their owners. There is no indication, in the source nor in the article, that all 155 other wagons were not "intact". Fram (talk) 10:13, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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"45 men have served in 46 presidencies". That's true now, but that text will still display on inauguration day. The extra presidency refers to President Grover Cleveland, but Trump is about to enter the same status. So the number of men won't change, but the number of presidencies will. Despite Martin Luther King day, 46 will be wrong after noon Eastern Time or 1700 UTC, January 20. Art LaPella (talk) 07:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

If someone remembers, this can be amended in real time on the day...  — Amakuru (talk) 07:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

OK. Art LaPella (talk) 07:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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Portal Links Removal

Yes I know they have been there forever but I propose we remove the 8+1 Portal links from the top corner. A failed experiment automated creation and updating has gone quite off the rails. Simply put the quality if Portals which use content oulled automatically from elsewhere is not giving a very high quality of experience.

Currently 2 of the 8 Master portals are broken (Portal:History and Portal:Geography, returning Red Error messages. Some awesome editors put sserious effort into hunting and fixing even the slightest error on articles linked from the mainpage but here the most prominate link spots are to busted automated portals. We have no way of knowing when or if these errors will crop up and evidently no one is watching them. I only stumbled on them when I noticed Portal:English language was busted and User:Moxy suggested we check the top 8 portals. Legacypac (talk) 03:22, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I have corrected ...restored. ...the 2 broken portals as they were both former FA portals. I believe the discussion here should go on...but I also believe we should not have broken portals in the meantime.--Moxy (talk) 03:25, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose The portals are a integral part of the encyclopaedia. They provide added insight on particular topics. The experiment in automation isn't a failure and works better than the original ones some of which where a sea of outdated content, POV and redlinks (Portal:India for example). We should not be trying to hide information from the public eye throwing away millions of editors hard work, rather we should be improving whatever we have. Additionally, from a design perspective the page would look unbalanced once the portal links are removed. << FR 03:44, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

There is almost universal agreement that the new automated portals are a total failure. Even some of the people who helped create them are agreeing. There will soon be a mass portal deletion, with over 100 going down at MfD right now.

The sea of outdated content on the old school portals is why a lot of people wanted to deleted those. We were promised that the new automated portals would fix that, which they dis, but they created other problems. Millions of editors have not worked on Portals, ever, in all time. This is not about deleting portals (that is a discussion for elsewhere) it is about curating what content readers are presented with on the main page. Readership numbers show that these 8 Portals attact far fewer readers then pretty much anything else linked from the mainpage. Heck no one even noticed that two of them were busted until we were MfDing Portal:English language and and User:Moxy said we better check the top 8 portals for the same errors. Readers rejected Misplaced Pages portals years ago and continue to reject them. Why push links into the face of readers they don't want? Legacypac (talk) 17:13, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

We should retain one link to all Portals, rather than featuring a small group of them. Then add in links to other "who's who" of Misplaced Pages -- the Reference Desk, the Community Portal and subcats (the Help Desk, Teahouse, Wikiprojects, Village Pump, Signpost), perhaps even buff up some obscure bits that could use a shot in the arm of technical help (WT:Lua). I'm sure I'm leaving some ideas out and that other might have to give way to make room, but the shortlist of Portals definitely should give way to make room. Wnt (talk) 11:43, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

A single link seems a good solution to me, but a) readers won't know what 'portal' means without the examples, so maybe make the link subject index and b) I don't think adding all those other items helps much. The important ones are already in the sidebar; the unimportant ones aren't necessary. Modest Genius 13:15, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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