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May 14

RD: Tim Conway

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The usual sourcing problems with American television stars. Masem (t) 16:58, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment This one is going to need some work before it can be posted. However, if/when it is brought up to scratch, it might be worth a blurb. I don't want to turn ITN into an obit page but Conway was a comedic legend. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

May 13

RD: Hu Jinqing

• Nominated by Thsmi002 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Well sourced article on a notable animator, director, and pioneer in Chinese paper cutting. Thsmi002 (talk) 12:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Unita Blackwell

• Nominated by PootisHeavy (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Good article. Every section is well sourced. --PootisHeavy (talk) 03:22, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support - article looks great. -Zanhe (talk) 04:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support, I came to nominate the article brought to GA quality by Coffee. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:22, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:40, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support I agree with the others above. Great article! Thsmi002 (talk) 14:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. --Jayron32 15:04, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) World Record solo dive

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Nominated by Jayron32 (talk · give credit)

Challenger Deep should be groomed and prepared as a major news item. A new world record solo dive to the bottom of the Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench, part of a series of *five* dives below 10,800m, including two world record setting solo dives by Victor Vescovo, was announced today. See https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48230157 , https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/victor-vescovo-deepest-dive-pacific/index.html and other media as they come online. For background, please read Vescovo's blog post at https://fivedeeps.com/home/expedition/pacific/live/ which recounts the series of dives in Challenger Deep and Sirena Deep. The implications of this new world record mean a whole series of pages are affected, see:

The official press release from the expedition was made available this morning, see https://tritonsubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FDE-Challenger-Release-FINAL.pdf and Victor Vescovo and Patrick Lahey are doing press at the Explorer's Club in New York today. I anticipate major media coverage in the coming days for references, as well as free/CC images. Due to WP:COI I cannot do this myself, as I have been the general counsel for Triton Submarines for ten plus years, since shortly after I left WMF. --Brad Patrick (talk) 15:10, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: suggest that Victor Vescovo is the article to be updated. Would support, pending a more substantial update to the article. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:06, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

  PS, worked for WMF but doesn't know how to wikilink??? I fixed them up for you — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:08, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

  Sysop with 1000 edits??! The Rambling Man (talk)

  105 edits at 2006 sysopping! PrimeHunter (talk) 16:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

  He was the WMF Legal Counsel. Which is why he had sysop rights, but did not edit much. He had the job before Mike Godwin, IIRC. --Jayron32 16:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose they beat a 60-year-old record by 11m? Incremental and objectively meaningless. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:28, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose as can be seen from the Challenger Deep article, the bottom of the trench was already reached by Bathyscaphe Trieste in 1960, making this record dubious. Banedon (talk) 21:25, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Per TRM really, beating a record set 60 (sixty) years ago by 11 metres is not exactly massive news. Black Kite (talk) 22:44, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted blurb) RD: Doris Day

• Nominated by SoWhy (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: B-class, looks good, minor cn problems should be easily fixable. Update done by a variety of users. SoWhy 13:08, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• support Looks decent enough. good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:13, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Wait Citations are needed for several claims in the "Personal life" section, particularly the endorsement of "Dubya" and her relationship to Christian Science. Hopefully the obituaries will cover this lot as the day progresses and this will cease to be an issue. Ritchie333 13:14, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

All done. Ritchie333 15:34, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• The endorsement I couldn't source. As for Christian Science, I added two sources that were pretty easy to find on GBooks. The rest seems sourced sufficiently, so I removed the tag. Regards SoWhy 13:23, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Weak Support The studio album section needs one or more references and there are a couple of minor claims and one quote that could use a cite. But overall this article is in pretty decent shape and I think adequate for the main page. Add a cite for the studio albums and I will line out the "weak" in my support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)-Ad Orientem (talk) 13:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - but maybe worth a blurb? Mjroots (talk) 13:34, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Looks good to go! The lorax (talk) 14:30, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Significant death, "Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray" Rockin 14:38, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb on notability. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:28, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Already out of the headlines in Google news. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:42, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted by Fuzheado about 1 hour ago. --Jayron32 16:08, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Post-posting support and I would also support a blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Major transformative figure. And I know this shouldn't be a factor but we haven't had a new blurb for a week now.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:53, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support blurb - notable, quality up to par, and per Amakuru --DannyS712 (talk) 19:04, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support blurb - C'mon; it's Doris Day.--WaltCip (talk) 19:37, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

  Que sera, sera Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support blurb - Main news headline on BBC all day, sounds like a blurb. Ritchie333 20:42, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support blurb - Global news, article in good shape, g2g for blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Administrator note please propose a blurb — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:01, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

   Posted blurb — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:13, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Please CHANGE THE IMAGE! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• The cropped one is not yet cleared on protection but the profile one is. Done. --Masem (t) 21:40, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Post posting support - Seriously, it's Doris Day folks. Black Kite (talk) 23:34, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose blurb per LaserLegs Who the hell is Doris day? 5.44.170.9 (talk) 00:23, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Doris Kappelhoff, that's who. Everyone knows that. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• Post Posting Support - One of the most influential figures in her field. She even had her name mentioned in the first line of a number one single. 2601:601:1001:E120:3DD3:56CC:5CB4:BBE (talk) 00:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment this blurbed article is sitting on the main page with an orange tag in it's body. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:46, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I have replaced the orange tag with a CN. The orange tag was overkill. That said, we still have an entirely unsourced section for her discography. That really needs to be fixed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

This just shows in stark terms how quality controls in ITN don't make sense. Banedon (talk) 12:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

-ography sections of bios tend to be a bunch of non-notable (not blue linked) works, or where the person has a cameo or guest role which is not 100% obvious from looking at the lede of the indicated work. Here, for Day, the albums are all bluelinked, and it is 100% clear that these are all albums featuring Day going by their lede. Ideally, they should be sourced, but we're begging a source for the obvious and if push came to shove, copying one source from each blue linked is possible. --Masem (t) 13:48, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

-ography sections are implicitly sourced to their own credits. Presumably, a record album with Doris Day's name printed on it is a reliable published source that Doris Day did actually record the album. With her name on it. --Jayron32 16:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

We just comment out the content, or WP:CFORK it to a different article to get around sourcing issues. I've raised it, no one cared. Open an RFC at WT:ITN if you see the need to make a change, this isn't the place. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:33, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

May 12

2019 Indian Premier League Final

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk · give credit), Lesenwriter (talk · give credit) and A Simple Human (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Indian cricket league. Updates look good. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:34, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose no match summary for the final. A few other issues (e.g. who, or what, is Watson?!) The Rambling Man (talk) 06:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2018-19 Premier League

• Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
• Created by Toad1907 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Concluded today, and is listed at WP:ITN/R. Probably needs some citations etc. to get it up to scratch, but is not in terrible shape.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose almost literally no prose about the season which, arguably, has been the best one ever. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:29, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

  Support good work, good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:18, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• Not ready. The article is almost entirely tables. It needs a prose summary of the season, like last year's. Modest Genius 10:42, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. My concern has been addressed. Modest Genius 11:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• I have fleshed out an overview section, mostly using stuff that was previously in the lede, but have added a bit more to it as well. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 09:44, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support looks good. ——SerialNumber54129 09:49, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support Ready to go.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

May 11

(Ready) RD: Rong Baisheng

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article is fully referenced. Zanhe (talk) 06:30, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 07:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Looks good to me. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:59, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Peggy Lipton

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: She made some damn good coffee. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose until all the "ography" sections are fully referenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:36, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - have added some references, however I note that at the start of the "filmography" section, there is a reference to BFI - isn't this considered a RS therefore covers the list? And therefore individual entries on the list are not required to have individual references? MurielMary (talk) 11:54, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
  • BFI is fine as a source, but make sure every entry given is listed on it. --Masem (t) 15:28, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support: Sourcing is looking better now. Daniel Case (talk) 23:06, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support we've got some damn fine sourcing here at Twin Peaks. Lugnuts 08:25, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted, sourcing looks fine generally — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:58, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Silver King (wrestler)

• Updated and nominated by MPJ-DK (talk · give credit)
• Created by Darren Jowalsen (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Died after suffering a heart attack during a match, has wrestled all over the world for 34 years. MPJ-DK (talk) 23:42, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support almost entirely referenced and in reasonable condition. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support In postable shape.LM2000 (talk) 07:35, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 10:14, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - was going to nominate this myself, good condition, well referenced and suitable for RD. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:36, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Well referenced and in good shape to post. GaryColemanFan (talk) 13:28, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:41, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - Is it standard to post names with qualifiers? It seems out of place. GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:07, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

There are number of notable people and entities with that name. So yeah, we add something to article names to separate the different entities. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:13, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Ad Orientem: Can we please take the brackets out of the entry and pipe it like Silver King please? It looks really awful and out of place having the bracketed word at the end there. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Already done by Bagumba. (Thanks.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

2019 South African general election

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Torygreen84 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Lefcentreright (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Looks like a win for ANC. Work still left to do on article (prose and updates) Sherenk1 (talk) 12:07, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yogesh Chander Deveshwar

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Social Sharmaji (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Chairman of ITC Limited. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support it's hardly a comprehensive bio, but what's there appears to be fine. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Reasonably good shape.BabbaQ (talk) 10:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• ​ May be we should keep it here on candidates page? Any better place? :) – Ammarpad (talk) 06:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Lol, thanks for letting me know ;)BabbaQ (talk) 06:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support Satisfactory. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

RD: Gianni De Michelis

• Updated and nominated by Poydoo (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Former Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs. Poydoo (talk) 22:20, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a poorly referenced nomination. Stephen 22:44, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Stephen. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:35, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

May 10

RD: Anatol Herzfeld

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Known simply as Anatol, he was a sculptor and policeman, performed a spectacular action with his professor Joseph Beuys. - There's much more in German, if someone wants to translate an act of love. Not every work is sourced (yet), but they are big and pictured, and it could be done if needed. The anoouncement of his death came yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Per the nom, some of the works are unsourced. Hrodvarsson (talk) 01:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

  All works "shown" are now sourced, for you. I will try to find references for the others, but have several more urgent tasks, including the next Recent death. I hope interest readers will find the list in German for the time being. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

  Adding Grimes2 to updaters, for finding references and improving them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

  Hrodvarsson, please look again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Venezuelan presidential crisis

• Nominated by Jamez42 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The Vice President of the National Assembly has been arrested, which has been condemned by the Venezuelan opposition, the Lima Group and the European Union, while the Supreme Tribunal ordered the prosecution of seven members of the National Assembly, three of which ought temporary refuge in foreign embassies. Meanwhile, National Assembly deputy Gilber Caro continues to be disappeared, his whereabouts have been unknown for two weeks now; there's a march in Caracas summoned for tomorrow and both regional and international bodies have convened sessions to discuss the recent events. I was too late to see the removal nomination, it is an understatement to say that nothing has happened and that the article has not been updated. --(talk) 10:49, 10 May 2019 (UTC) Jamez42 (talk) 10:49, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Ongoing if this event stands alone for notability, blurb it accordingly. Ongoing isn't for "simmering" stories with occasional bursts of activity. The target article is highly POV: "persecution of legislators" come on. The 2019 Venezuela coup attempt might make a better target ... lots of stuff is being copy/pasted all over in this space right now. Nolo on blurb, I'll need to read the update more fully. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:13, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • It's stale, the arrest was two days ago, move it down to May 8 if you want it considered. The update is confusing (I had to look up TSJ) and I have no idea what "The rival Constituent Assembly" is. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Blurb we post convictions, not arrests, charges, accusations or trials. This can wait until he's convicted. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
    • Which policy or guideline are you quoting? High profile arrests have been posted before in ITN: Hosni Mubarak, the FIFA arrests, Pervez Musharraf (former President of Pakistan) and more recently, Julian Assange, just to mention some. Besides, Juan Requesens was arrested nine months ago and hasn't had a trial yet; Lorent Saleh was imprisoned for four years and tortured before being released, without having a trial. Both hearing have been/were usually postponed. --Jamez42 (talk) 22:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
      • Those were mistakes, and I see no reason to compound them. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:47, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
      • Did you dig though 10 years of ITN discussions to find the handful of times when an arrest as posted? --LaserLegs (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose not even scratching the surface of my news providers. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:52, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  It depends on your news outlets, but every big newspaper covered this. --MaoGo (talk) 12:05, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  I'm not denying it was covered to an extent a week or so ago when the pretend coup was happening, but literally nothing since. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  It is from two days ago, and the legislators seeking refuge in embassies and the international denunciations are from yesterday/today. --MaoGo (talk) 12:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  I have no doubt that things are happening, but they simply don't rise to the level of ITN newsworthiness, either blurb or ongoing. Oppose stands. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:19, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  Obviously Maduro waited until after we pulled the story to make the arrests. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:30, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose This is not the "ongoing hokey-pokey". If you have a blurb you want to put in the main section, please start a new nomination and propose a blurb. Also, as the OP says, the article has not been updated. That's an "insta-fail" on ITN. Articles need to be updated before we even consider evaluating the quality of that update! What are we to evaluate if there is nothing there?!? --Jayron32 11:57, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  The article has been updated, as Jamez says, the Vicepresident of the National Assembly was arrested, and legislators are seeking refuge in embassies. --MaoGo (talk) 12:04, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  Still doesn't fix the problem that the article doesn't qualify for the "ongoing" slot. Propose a blurb. --Jayron32 12:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  @Jayron32: I could give it a shot: "Venezuela's National Assembly Vice President, Edgar Zambrano, is indicted and arrested." Any information regarding the charges or the indictment against other deputies could be included. --Jamez42 (talk) 16:14, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  Support Jamez42's proposed blurb. Article is in very good shape generally, and the updated information on the blurb is sufficient per WP:ITN guidelines. --Jayron32 16:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support the on-going tag was removed a day before all the prosecutions and the detention of the VP happened. It should have stayed. --MaoGo (talk) 12:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – Still simmering, but unsee coverage in major int'l media. Worth watching, but that's all for now. Sca (talk) 12:41, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Much like the Mueller and Brexit, this story has entered the sound and fury stage. The larger stories are notable, and the day to day machinations seem notable given the larger context. But, having previously posted each at length, we must ask in each case if the present events are really moving the story forward in any meaningful way. It's difficult for me to imagine any further development short of Maduro's ouster to be worth noting. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support this regularly still makes the news. Each individual event might not clear the notability threshold, but taken together I think it's a good candidate for ongoing. Banedon (talk) 14:09, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  It's no longer an ongoing candidate so it's clear from your opinion that you now oppose this nomination, right? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

AP, in a story filed about 21:15 Friday, has Guaidó "promising to persevere." Sounds like more of the same. – Sca (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose both blurb and ongoing per TRM, Sca et al. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:21, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

RD: Alfredo Pérez Rubalcaba

• Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Spain mourns the death of the politician that leaded the end of the terrorist group ETA. Being one of the most prominent politicians in Spanish democracy, he must be listed here. Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:22, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support Article seems in good shape. Prominent and historical leader of the Socialist Party. --Jamez42 (talk) 16:17, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose poorly referenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:16, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support One of the most prominent Spanish politicians of the past 30 years. Neodop (talk) 20:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Article needs work with one section with no references at all and citations needed tags elsewhere. His notability is not in question but the quality of his article is. Capitalistroadster (talk) 21:37, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support The article has been improved with new sources. Attention collaborators (Capitalistroadster—The Rambling Man).Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

May 9

(New) RD: Brian Walden

• Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)

 The Rambling Man (talk) 15:59, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose surprisingly this nom by TRM has multiple unsourced statements. MPJ-DK (talk) 16:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

  I didn't even look at it, I noted the passing of someone I am reasonably familiar with and nominated it soonest because it happened a few days ago. Pretty sure I didn't claim it was up to scratch, did I? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh I am sorry I guess you cannot take it but easily and repeatedly dish it out? You didn't claim anything or apparently, check anything. MPJ-DK (talk) 19:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't have a clue what you're talking about. When I oppose nominations because they're poorly referenced, I simply state they are poorly referenced, I don't say provocative crap like "surprisingly this nom by X is...", so try not to repeat that in future. And yes, you can read, i.e. "I didn't claim it was up to scratch, did I?" Deary me. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

You are the one who said you had no clue, not me. And it is surprising that someone who so zealously "talks the talk" does not also "walk the walk", just stating a fact. MPJ-DK (talk) 19:19, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

No, you're stating fiction, pure and simple. I review ITN candidates and give an objective opinion. I don't deliberately set out to provoke nominators making good faith nominations. And I still don't have a clue what you're so butt hurt about. Is it something else I've said to you? Oh dear. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:21, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

You must be very blissful, you go right ahead and enjoy that. I've said my oppose. MPJ-DK (talk) 19:24, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I was blissful until your objectionable interaction. Cheers, hope you get over it. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose – I don't get what is "surprising" about the nom, either; there is nothing wrong with bringing not-yet-ready articles to ITN/C, as the increased exposure here often helps bring extra eyes to the article. Many articles that start out in ITN/C as being inadequate end up being greatly improved and posted. Having said that, the article looks much improved but the "Political career" section is completely unreferenced. –FlyingAce 13:16, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yuan Baohua

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article is fully sourced. Zanhe (talk) 00:13, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support – Simply flawless start article. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:37, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Freddie Starr

• Nominated by Thryduulf (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article isn't in tip-top shape, but it's being heavily edited and is improving. Thryduulf (talk) 22:38, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Far too much unsourced at the moment but we'll see how that progresses.LM2000 (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, just too many unreferenced claims. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - I'm only seeing one unreferenced paragraph and that doesn't cover anything contentious. Would be nice if it was referenced but this shouldn't be a bar to posting. Mjroots (talk) 07:24, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  Um, I don't think so... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:40, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  Unreferenced articles are the very epitome of a "bar to posting".  — Amakuru (talk) 08:52, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose As well as being largely unreferenced, there is too much attention on the hamster eating stuff, which should be pared down to a few sentences. It makes it sound like it's the only thing he's known for. Ritchie333 10:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • For many people that is all he's known for, and for others the main thing. Awkward42 (talk) 14:49, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Needs a lot of work on the referencing.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - The hamster eating allegation certainly made him a household name, when he was going out of the public view...Also, the article is largely referenced, unless I am looking at a different article???? Seth Whales (talk) 05:20, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose the lead states he was a comedian, but I don't recall ever laughing. Lugnuts 07:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
  • @Lugnuts: why is your personal taste relevant? I don't find Jim Davidson at all funny, but that doesn't mean he isn't a comedian. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support I have just removed the unsourced sections so it is suitable now. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:39, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:59, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

May 8

(Posted) RD: Jens Beutel

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Mainz, the state capital of Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. - Found as a sad tagged stub. It's still not much, but a start. Need to go out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I added from more obits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:46, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support ready for ITN. -Zanhe (talk) 21:23, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:16, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted --Jayron32 16:06, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Thai election results

• Nominated by Paul 012 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Previous nom in March was closed as to wait for official results. Here they are now. (Though the more newsworthy formation of government will probably happen over the following weeks.) Paul_012 (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

• Wait – we should ideally wait until a government is formed before we report on it, in my opinion. Nonetheless if people want the headline to go live, a more appropriate blurb would probably be "The Pheu Thai Party win a plurality of seats in the House of Representatives following the Thai general election." — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilipTerryGraham (talk • contribs) 02:17, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

  Reply General election results are WP:ITN/R. Government formations are not, but in certain circumstances they could potentially be blurb-worthy assuming their formation receives enough coverage to demonstrate their notability. I don't intend for this to come off as harsh, but please do give that guideline a quick read if you haven't already done so. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 00:10, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. We should not wait. What is ITNR is the election results not the formation of government. We just need to take care of a few more citations needed. The article is predominately in good shape. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:17, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: Can you clarify your stance further? It seems confusing that you say that we should report the election results and not the formation of government afterwards, but at the same time opposing a report on the election results... – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 10:45, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

As they said, there are some citations missing in the article; it cannot be posted until that is addressed. Elections are what is ITNR, not the formation of governments; if you feel the government formation is notable enough for posting, you are free to nominate that. 331dot (talk) 10:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose only on quality per Coffeeandcrumbs. No need to wait. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 00:13, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose both on quality and unsatisfactory blurbs based on an inconclusive result. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:48, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sprent Dabwido

• Nominated by LLcentury (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Though President of a very small nation I think that Presidents deserve RD. – LLcentury (talk) 20:06 UTC, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support Seems ready to go with sourcing. RD doesn't require any special level of importance as long as the article exists and of proper quality. --Masem (t) 20:06, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Ready to go indeed.BabbaQ (talk) 09:05, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:37, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Well-sourced article. What a fascinating presidency and life. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:19, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 14:33, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: David Montgomery (baseball)

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

 – Muboshgu (talk) 16:00, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:57, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:33, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

May 7

(Closed) STEM School Highlands Ranch Shooting

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• Nominated by Ryan Reeder (talk · give credit)
• Created by Another Believer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by David O. Johnson (talk · give credit), ImprovedWikiImprovement (talk · give credit) and Leaky.Solar (talk · give credit)

• Comment This is not ITNR. Nomination amended, Mjroots (talk) 04:41, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• I'm taking myself out of the updater (I don't think I did that much) and putting Leaky.Solar in my place, they have the highest authorship. Anyway, I'm not very sure this one meets the prominence on a global level, starship.paint (talk) 05:01, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Unfortunately, shootings in the US, even school shootings are too common for ITN. --Masem (t) 05:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Te Wharehuia Milroy

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• Nominated by Hl (talk · give credit)

• Oppose regrettably. There is a 53-year gap in this biography. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:22, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm with C&C above. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:37, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Georg Katzer

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Pioneer of electronic music in the GDR, music in many genres performed at notable locations. Professor, also music organisation work in East, then united Germany, many awards, including national. - I found the article tagged for multiple issues, - that's gone. Much more detail of both life and work is in the sources, - feel free. - Other work for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose most of the literature is without reference. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

  I agree with you that a Bibliography should be sourced (even though others don't). I don't think that applies here since none of the items appear to claim that they were written by Katzer. I think the "Literature" section is a left over from a translation from de.wiki. En.wiki would call that section Further reading and it belongs below References. Requiring verification for Further reading would be unreasonable requirement at ITN. That is IMHO.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 12:02, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

  The Literature section - which is probably meant - is not a leftover from translation, but collected by User:Jerome Kohl (who is a composer an expert) who wrote the article (see 2010 version), and it's the best collection of literature about the man I have seen, more substantial than in German. We can of course sacrifice it (temporarily) for ITN's sake, but I believe that's no service to the reader. It's only for experts from the start (all in German), and they may be delighted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

  By all means keep it, but it needs to be verifiable. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:16, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

  Going after these special music papers of 2010 is exactly what I have NO time for. AGF? It's Further reading now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

  FWIW, I can verify that the New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians article (the sole inline citation until very recently, now removed for some reason) not only exists and is in English rather than German, but that New Grove is not considered by many people to be a "self-published source". In fact, I cannot imagine how that tag got put on the article in the first place, since there is not a single self-published source in the list. Oh, yes, thank you, Gerda for mentioning my name in connection with this article, but I am a music theorist and musicologist, not a composer.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:48, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

  I am sorry that I didn't recognise the inline refs as refs at all, just something in brackets. I don't think to establish that rather uncommon style for the new references is a good idea. What do others think? Same for removing an infobox. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support – Looks good to me. AGF for German language sources. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 12:02, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support – Ditto. Sieht mir angemessen aus. – Sca (talk) 12:22, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:31, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Seymour Nurse

• Nominated by Lugnuts (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: West Indies Test cricketer and a Wisden Cricketer of the Year (67). Article looks in decent shape too. Lugnuts 10:56, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support looks good enough to be a GA as far as I can see. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:03, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support as per TRM. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:47, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted --Jayron32 12:55, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Lugnuts 13:02, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jean Vanier

• Nominated by John Lunney (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2601:447:4101:5780:8865:54c3:d5fd:6bd7 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Renowned philosopher and founder of L'Arche international charity. Article in good shape for appearance on front page. John Lunney (talk) 08:33, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support – I spot-checked a few sources and they looked good. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 09:43, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted --Jayron32 20:54, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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