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SashiRolls

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Request concerning SashiRolls

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Kingofaces43 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:42, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

SashiRolls (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically_modified_organisms#1RR_imposed

• Standard discretionary sanctions are authorised for all pages relating to genetically modified organisms, commercially produced agricultural chemicals and the companies that produce them, broadly construed.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 18:31, May 14, 2019 Removes "from documents..." (original edit)
2. 13:19, May 15, 2019 Removes "lawyers litigating..." (original edit)

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. Sept 2016 Topic-banned under GMO/pesticide DS from Jill Stein for six months
2. Dec 2016 6-month block for disruptive editing and wiki-hounding
3. Dec 2016 Banned from AE cases where they are not a party.
4. June 2017 1-year indefinite block.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

• Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on September 2016 by NuclearWarfare (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
• Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The diffs above show a straightforward 1RR violation in Séralini affair, (1RR was partly why SashiRolls was topic-banned in this area before). However, they are still personalizing disputes over at the related glyphosate page too creating a disruptive undercurrent in the most controversial area of the GMO/pesticide topic currently.

Background

I suggest reading the 2016 AE where Sashirolls was topic-banned for behavior related to GMOs as we're essentially having a repeat of that behavior all over again. They are already extremely short on WP:ROPE already being topic-banned in this area, but this is best described by Dennis Brown's closing of the Dec 2016 block this is a last chance for SashiRolls to be a member of the community. . .. Sashirolls' long block log is pretty telling of this behavior, and their 2018 block appeal was barely accepted it seems by RL0919.

Personalizing disputes

Article talk page comments are often personalizing disputes fitting tendentious editing's definition of problematic as a whole rather than in isolation:

• after Trypto insisted on rewriting the facts to paint Séralini as evil
• When discussing a tag for finding a medical source, Kingofaces43 wants to go farther, adding a tag of shame to that sentence for maximal rhetorical effect.

• Creates a chart on talk page to single out editors with no bearing on content, Look, everyone: data-driven analysis of who leaves the most K here in the glyposhate talkpage letterbox.

• Reaction to DS notification:I figured that you wouldn't be able to resist templating a regular if I edited your "Roundup" page. (my bolding) and I assume you just wanted to make a fairly vague threat without saying anything groundless.

• There also appears to be some wiki-hounding of Tryptofish (a regular in this topic) based on this ANI (another repeat from SashiRoll's topic ban) that's leaching into the GMO/pesticide topic now as SashiRolls hadn't really been around much in these articles before that ANI. I don't know the details of those interactions being outside my editing area, but it does show the community is plenty tired of this from SashiRolls in other areas..

I for one want to focus on content in this area, but it's already very difficult content to try to craft as it is even without the pot-stirring behavior Sashirolls is interjecting since they jumped in recently. Given past sanctions, I'd at least suggest a full topic ban this time around so the rest of us can get back to work. Kingofaces43 (talk) 04:42, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Replies to admins

El C, the DS notification Sashirolls got is explicit it covers all areas dealing with GMOs and pesticides, and ArbCom has reiterated the DS scope since it is often gamed for "ignorance". 3RRBLP doesn't apply to any living person-specific material here, but do read Sashiroll's first edit summary showing they knew the information was true (and sourced elsewhere they've been working). That's still WP:POINTy reverting against the intent of 1RR.

Add in Sashirolls outright misrepresenting me in their above response claiming I had two reverts (they were two edits in a series), the battleground projection still continues. Kingofaces43 (talk) 14:30, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Vanamonde quick reply since I'm at the word limit. Tryptofish already primarily answered your question, but at the time I was going by the AE filing that was under both GMO/pesticide and politics DS. There's no question GMOs were the locus. Admins could have flipped a coin for which DS to use for formal logging without excluding the other (can an action even be "double-logged"?), but that's getting into the weeds for this conversation since the end result is the same that the behavior heavily involved this DS area. Kingofaces43 (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

• Despite El C's caution to Sashirolls below, they are still doubling down on pot-stirring behavior at glyphosate even today. I'm not sure what admins expect when an editor is repeatedly sanctioned for battleground behavior, gets warned again at this AE, and just does it again, but it's disrupted this topic enough. The battleground behavior is the key problem here regardless of edit warring. Kingofaces43 (talk) 19:06, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning SashiRolls

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Statement by SashiRolls

I will make a statement Saturday now that the goalposts have shifted:

Tryptofish states he has not followed me around. This is blatantly false. On the colorful Strategic Wikisuit Against Public Participation page RHaworth cleaned off for me, I've listed a few of the examples of this, citing him at length to avoid accusations of cherry-picking (which clearly apply to the choice mid-sentence cuttings Kingofaces43 provided above). The details of Trypto's long history of following me to drama boards to try and have me disciplined is available here. I think you will agree that the truth-o-meter is in imminent peril of exploding it's so cold... 🎃 SWAPP 🎃 SashiRolls 22:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Trypto, it was your evidence of GMO wrongdoing that was categorically rejected. Since you brought the first strategic suit against me the day the schoolyear began, you caused me to freak a little after 1 September. Please don't smile when you read that. SashiRolls 22:45, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

El C: I assume you are not forbidding me to work on the glyphosate page or from objecting when Mr. K deletes the work of other contributors. Mr. K says that the talk page is a battleground. I have never used that metaphor, possibly because I was not involved in digging the 17 pages of "trenches"... I would suggest considering topic banning the trench diggers. SashiRolls 19:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Trypto has falsely claimed below that I edited no pages related to GMO / herbicides until March 2019. This is especially odd as he massaged my 16 January 2019 edit to the Roundup page as you can see by clicking next (§). Why does Trypto continue to say things that are false, deliberately ending his search 6 days before the news of Roundup360's ban was front page news in France? Saying that I am following him around because I added something that was front-page news in my region of the world is a very twisted and self-important way of misrepresenting my volunteer participation. -- SashiRolls 19:41, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Statement by Levivich

The article is a BLP, and although the edit summaries don't explicitly cite WP:3RRBLP, they explain that the edits are removing unsourced material (which is obviously contentious, as the entire article is about a controversy involving a living person). Leviv ich 05:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@El C: No doubt you're right about that.

While Sashi may have passed 1RR without citing an exception in their edit summary, it would seem that so, too, did Tryptofish (and I don't believe any exception would apply to his edits). I know I'm not an admin but in my view, if you look at the article history for May 14–15 in its entirety, neither of these editors are really "edit warring" in the sense of repeatedly replacing the same text. Rather, they're just editing: going back and forth, using edit summaries, making tweaks and changes that respond to the others' edit summaries, using {tags} at various points rather than re-inserting/removing text, etc. I think it's just good faith editing.

I have a hard time taking Tryp's complaints about Sashi's conduct seriously because he himself posts things like this (posting this picture with the edit summary "Yes, I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but this is just too good to pass up.") directed at Sashi. I said as much at the ANI thread Tryp opened against Sashi, which went nowhere (it was quickly closed, then Tryp unclosed it and later re-closed it himself). Like the 1RR thing, it seems like a mutual or two-sided problem. My personal opinion is that both editors should take a break from each other. Leviv ich 17:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Cmt by SN54129

@El C:, re. the appearance of DS notices, it's a known bug that they don't, though, appear on the mobile view-------------->

——SerialNumber54129 11:08, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Statement by Tryptofish

We are far past the point where WP:ROPE would have reached its end. I can see both sides of the issue of 1RR, in that the second edit by SashiRolls did not purely revert me, but instead partly reverted me and partly created new wording in its place. I've been wavering over the last few days over whether I should come to AE over this, myself, and the 1RR issue did not seem to me to be sufficiently unambiguous to be a reason by itself. But that is largely beside the point. There has been an immense amount of disruption lately. I want to focus on how, in recent weeks, SashiRolls has been violating WP:BLP on GMO pages, and on what Kingofaces correctly describes as WP:HOUNDing of me.

Here: , SashiRolls has been quite blatantly posting BLP-violating content about a scientific journal editor, at Séralini affair, a page within the GMO topic area. I alerted WP:BLPN, , and editors who responded quickly came to the conclusion that material SashiRolls added needed to be removed: . This was in service of battlegroundy editing to push an anti-GMO POV.

I've been editing the GMO topic area for years, and I was the filing party in the GMO ArbCom case. In recent weeks, SashiRolls has followed me there in a very hound-y way. He recently created a now-deleted attack page about me: . (See also: .) A great deal of what he has been doing at GMO pages has been intended to mock me. After I said this at Talk:Glyphosate: , he posted: , clearly mimicking my "Look, everyone" wording while adding meaningless information, and then edit warred to keep that there over objections by other editors: , . He had similarly mimicked me here: , . He posts sarcastic comments about me and others with sarcastic edit summaries: , , . Notice how he says antagonistic things, then disingenuously excuses them ("an offer of pie or cake").

His statement above that he did not know that herbicides like glyphosate are part of the GMO topic area ("agricultural chemicals and the companies that produce them") lack credibility in light of his earlier comments to me: . He describes above this edit of mine: , as "Trypto's reversion against a 5-2 talk page consensus", when that is nothing like the reality. He is single-handedly making the GMO topic area a very unpleasant place, especially for me. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:19, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

About this: , I did not say the 1RR claim was wrong, but rather that it was ambiguous. And Kingofaces' opening post was about a lot more than that, anyway. As for me being all those things, well, no, I'm not. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Levivich didn't know what he was talking about at the ANI thread, and he doesn't now: . The ANI thread led to the administrative decision to delete an attack page; it just didn't lead to any further sanctions beyond that. And the logical outcome would have been for SashiRolls to leave me alone after that. Instead, he followed me to the GMO pages, where I've edited for years (and at WP:GMORFC, crafted the language that the community ended up adopting). I sure didn't follow him anywhere. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Thank you for the kind words. You asked a question to Kingofaces, but I want to answer it myself, because I think there is a misunderstanding. In this prior AE sanction: , I was the filing editor, and the topic areas were both AmPol and GMOs. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: I see what you mean about the logging. However, Jill Stein#GMOs and pesticides was the specific locus of the dispute, and I don't want to see anyone criticized for not having parsed the logging history. It is perfectly understandable for anyone to view that sanction as having been GMO-related; I would have thought that, myself. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

SashiRolls has said above that he is going to respond here once his work week is over. I have User:SashiRolls/SWAPP on my watchlist because it was the page that was previously CSDed as an attack page, and it just popped up on my watchlist again, recreated with different content: . I'm fine with editors making userspace drafts for dispute resolution, so that's not a problem. But I see that he has taken my comments above, in which I said that he followed me to GMO pages after the recent ANI discussion about the attack page, and he should not have done so, followed by my saying that I, in turn, did not follow him anywhere, as an invitation to compile a list of "Tryptofish is mean to me", going back to 2016. It's a massively revisionist history, so let me make it simple. SashiRolls starts with an AE diff dated September 2, 2016, and says that I made an AE report about him that was rejected. Here is the permalink to that AE: . Not rejected, was it? It's the same one that I discuss with Vanamonde just above. I'm pretty sure that that does go back to my first interaction with SashiRolls, and it's the origin of his antagonism against me. In any case, "Tryptofish is bad", even if it were true, would not be a refutation of the evidence from Kingofaces and me, and seems to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Earlier, we had and , at Talk:Glyphosate. Today, he found time for and . --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Statement by Kolya Butternut

I don't know anything about the GMO topic area, but SashiRolls has brought my name into the discussion on User:SashiRolls/SWAPP. My experience speaks to SashiRolls' lack of credibility and his battleground mentality. --Kolya Butternut (talk) 03:05, 18 May 2019 (UTC)Kolya Butternut (talk) 03:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

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Result concerning SashiRolls

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• I'll await their response before making up my mind, but from what I read from the opening statement, it doesn't look good. A new topic ban is probably due. El_C 04:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

• Kingofaces43, if the page is not subject to 1RR (no DS notice), why are you reporting a 1RR violation? El_C 07:11, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
• SashiRolls, that is not the case. There is both a mainspace and talkpage DS notice. El_C 07:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
• Levivich, edits which invoke BLP exemption ought to be spelled-out, exactly so all of this could be avoided. El_C 07:33, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

• SashiRolls, this is not helpful. Just make your statement here, and otherwise please avoid discussing the dispute elsewhere. El_C 22:20, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

• This is a lengthy complaint, and I'm still working through it. At first glance, SashiRolls's conduct has been below par in several circumstances. However, I'm also unimpressed with some of the others editing the pages where this conflict seems to have localized at this time; Tryptofish is one of the few whose conduct I have no complaints about. For instance; Kingofaces, why are you claiming that SashiRolls has been sanctioned under the GMO DS before, when that's patently untrue? All of this users DS sanctions have come under American Politics discretionary sanctions. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC) Kingofaces43 (fixing malformed ping) Vanamonde (Talk) 21:30, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

  @Tryptofish: I did see that. You (understandably) filed the case linking to all the DS regimes you thought were relevant. However, the sanction was only logged under AmPol2, implying that that is the topic where misbehavior seemed localized. See the log here. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

  @Tryptofish: That is fair, and I don't mean to make a big deal of it unless there's a pattern; it's just that there's been a long history at AE of editors weaponizing DS and doing so by trying to make a situation look as bad as it possibly can; and I'm somewhat allergic to that (see, for instance, the most recent request about Philip Cross). Vanamonde (Talk) 21:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)