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16 November 2006

Yesterdog

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Lack of concensus

Those that voted "keep" weren't particularly good with the markup, but it was still a 5 against 4 vote. Notable with those voting "keep" is that by and large they weren't regular editors, however they all cited living in the region. As a semi-regular editor and someone who lived in Western Michigan for several years (though not for the last 5) I would tend to agree that the place is a regional icon. Quoting from GRNow:

It seems as if every city has that one signature spot where locals insist must be visited before leaving town. For Grand Rapids, that place is Yesterdog. Located in the artsy urban neighborhood of Eastown, the inspiration for 'Dog Years' in the American Pie movies has been slinging up hot dogs for thirty years.

Such sums things up well. It's probably only restaurant in the circa 1 million Grand Rapids metro area that I'd make this claim for. Scott.wheeler 13:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse closure This was a completely valid deletion. Everyone who !voted delete was an established user, and all but one of the keep !voters were anonymous IPs. Being the inspiration for a restaurant in a movie (or series of movies) does not create nor confirm notability. Hell, the cafe at my college was the inspiration for "Central Perk" on Friends, and you don't see me writing an article about it. There was no valid reason to keep the article, which is why almost all of the regular WP editors moved to delete it. -- Kicking222 14:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Undelete. Without any implied criticism of the closing, it was a perfectly fine closing. It is perfectly valid to ignore comments by anons without evidence, and it is not the obligation of a closing admin to personally research each and every article. That said, the article itself should be restored, as it does seem notable. The anons had valid points, they just didn't know how to document them. Google hits are mostly anonymous blogs, but not quite: the rest are still a slew, and mention with reverence. Here: Blog, but from Washington Post editor; High school paper in Wyoming; Northwest Airlines vacation guide calls it "famous"; Grand Rapids TV; Aquinas College "welcome to students" PDF calls it "iconic"; MetroTimes Detroit calls it "a city institution" AnonEMouse 15:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• No vote. I probably would have voted "Keep" on this, but it does look like the AFD was valid. Perhaps it can be merged somewhere? Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Really? Actually on reinspecting it the count was 4 to 4 since the nominator explicitly disclaimed a preference. Granted, 3 of the 4 keep votes were anonymous, but they don't seem sock-puppet-ish. Scott.wheeler 18:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion If it were a particularly good article about a barely notable place I'd say ok to restore, but this is a crappy article about a barely notable place. Intro, menu, opening hours (!), and a quickshot picture of hotdogs ready to be served. No notability even asserted. Besides, it's already covered in the Grands Rapids section in Wikitravel, where it probably belongs. No prejudice against a well-written new article though. ~ trialsanderrors 00:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion Closure seems fine. I really really really hope that someone creates a WikiDining soon (maybe as a branch of WikiTravel) so that the fun new trend in creating articles for specific reviewed-but-unencyclopedic restaurants, fast food shacks, and street food vendors can be shipped off to their nice new home away from Misplaced Pages. TAt the moment, this is higher on my wishlist than even someone creating WikiList (where people can create obscure lists to their heart's content) Bwithh 06:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)