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Change the article name to Etika's name?
Should we just change the article name to Daniel Desmond Amofah? This article already showcases more of his life other than his disappearance as shown in the career part and Etika is already a notable, well-known enough figure online to have his own article rather than just based on one incident.Uelly (talk) 09:44, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Uelly
- Wait - It's still a developing situation. Decide once it's concluded. Parafron-trodaí (talk) 11:37, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Parafron-trodaí
- I also agree that we should wait for the current event to conclude but at the time being I would lean towards changing the article name to "Etika" over "Daniel Desmond Amofah". Etika probably is notable enough to have his own page without the disappearance and would be better known to the public as "Etika" over his real name. So yes, wait until current events have concluded but if we were to change it afterwards, it would be more suitable to change it to "Etika". Braveb1rd PokeMC (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- I am pretty confident that he was notable before his death (more in the last year, but still)... the question is whether to use Etika or his proper name. There's no WP conflict with Etika, but I see there's a Malaysian star known by that so I think his proper name would be better here. --Masem (t) 17:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- Another alternative could be their proper name with their username in parenthesis, or potentially referencing their connections to youtube / content creation. -Anonymous 17:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.77.67.18 (talk)
- If it isn't suitable to use his username, then the page should at least be titled "Desmond Amofah". Etika himself went by Desmond and it is by far the more common name he went by. If searching for this page "Daniel Amofah" would not be the first or even second thing someone would think of. Braveb1rd PokeMC (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
86.6.178.179 (talk) 17:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
His full name, Daniel Desmond Amofah, would portray him as more of a real person rather than someone who doesn’t need to be called their real name DreaganX (talk) 06:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Change title to "Deceased"
Etika has been found dead, per here. Trazire (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Change page name to Desmond Amofah
His first name is Daniel but he goes by Desmond Michael14375 (talk) 18:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- He is more well-known by his username Etika, so why not just stick with that name instead or use Etika (internet personality)? HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 18:41, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
No more page moves until consensus is reached here
Page moved with MelanieN's blessing (see my talk page). --Masem (t) 13:57, 26 June 2019 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This page is now named Etika (streamer) but it should not be. There is no need to disambiguate. If we are going to use the name Etika that should be the name of the article. Etika is now a redirect to this article which makes no sense. But there have been two or three moves of the page in the last few hours. There should not be any more until consensus is reached. What should the article name be? -- MelanieN (talk) 19:34, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- I have move-protected the article for now. Please discuss here and let's decide what the name should be. The most likely candidates seem to be Etika or Daniel Desmond Amofah. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- My vote is Etika per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRECISE. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 19:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- He's known internet-wide as Etika and a majority of news outlets covering his death initially refer to him as such - so the article should probably be named Etika. Toreightyone (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- "Etika" should be fine, my only concern is there are other newsworthy people (seemingly) that do not have articles on WP but could that are also named Etika, but without articles now, or even redirects for this, shouldn't be an issue. Hat notes or other facets may need to be added later. --Masem (t) 19:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- Clearly it should be at Etika. Pointless move protection. - hahnchen 22:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- We should use Etika, it looks like most people and news outlets call him that and it was his preferred alias. Roll 3d6 (talk) 23:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- I was gonna name the page Etika instead of Etika (streamer) but it was already taken. Michael14375 (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Etika per above. --Wow (talk) 04:45, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- @MelanieN: Please move the page to Etika. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:32, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- MelanieN has basically okay'd me on my talk page to move this page when the decision was made (even though I did !vote above), and as this is SNOWing, I will go ahead and move things around. --Masem (t) 13:55, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2019
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It'd be more respectful to have a photo posted by Etika from his Instagram, rather than using a screencap from his "goodbye" video. An image such as https://www.instagram.com/p/BrqPHIRhta8/ would be preferable. (Direct Link: https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/fc5d7bb507704f6ce6901cb515703f10/5DB769D0/t51.2885-15/e35/46714583_373416163426326_4629470249639477248_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Thank you, and rest in peace Desmond. 2605:A000:1618:C368:D49F:4C21:6DD1:D58E (talk) 20:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- Provided that the image in the article is available under a free license, you'd need to find a free image to replace it. A fair use rationale falls flat as the image in the article is a free alternative to any of the images on his Instagram. Luigi970p 💬Talk📜Contributions 21:09, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- Which this is probably a good place that if you (WP reader) are in possession of a good photo of Etika, you are welcome to contribute it as a freely-licensed file if you feel its better than the one we have from Instagram. (But this has to be your own photo, not something pulled off YouTube or social media). --Masem (t) 21:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The goodbye video picture isn’t fitting. I want a pic from his Instagram to show the joy in him LogicIsTheBestWhiteRapper (talk) 21:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- Our non-free image policy (demanded by the WMF) doesn't allow this. --Masem (t) 21:35, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- BTW, this video from his Minecraft thing is CC with reuse (CC-BY), and thus as long as we're not including any game screens, any screen from that video or others marked with Creative Commons is 100% allowed to be used as an image here. --Masem (t) 21:49, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- OK, no problem. I'll upload a screencap from there. Cth103 t (talk) 22:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- Uploaded at File:Etika - 2.png. Cth103 t (talk) 22:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Some additional information and reactions
The news article is "YouTube Star Etika Is Found Dead in NYC, Leaving Thousands of Fans in Mourning" from Dara Sharif of The Root (magazine). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:A507:FCB6:A19A:2362:5C45:2B3F (talk) 01:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2019
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On this page if states cause of death was murder but no evidence has shown what the cause of death was as it could he suicide or murder 75.163.172.126 (talk) 03:58, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- This appears to have already been removed/fixed. --Masem (t) 04:43, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Death Date
So the E Online announcing the cause of death states he died on June 24. Reading the full article, it seems as if they're using that date as it's the date police were notified of the body in the river, so do we change it to June 24 as shown in the source, or leave it as circa the 19th? Magitroopa (talk) 15:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Not famous, not known
The article should be deleted. There is a bunch of youtubers in his range, he had not that many followers. To tell the truth I haven't even known his name, and his page created only when his death is announced. 91.83.204.7 (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Before his death, he met the WP:GNG, plenty of coverage about him. We don't judge YouTubers by follower count but by news coverage they get. I'm sure there's ppl with 1M+ subscribers that we don't consider notable because they simply don't have news coverage. --Masem (t) 16:06, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Etika is notable enough for his own article, due in large part to the media coverage surrounding his suicide. He WAS well known on the internet, too. There is literally nothing wrong with the article, and his subscriber count doesn't matter because he's had numerous articles written about him that are referenced in his Misplaced Pages page. -NowIsntItTime 01:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
No, this page should be kept. He was and still is well known due to a number of things that he has done both good and bad. KKFeline (talk) 08:46, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Another YT unknown, and he's dead, why does this get a Wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.41.27.81 (talk) 09:14, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Maybe your discussion should be deleted as you're not famous or well known. Etika has been in everyone's hearts and should not be forgotten. His reaction videos have sparked of countless memes that put joy in our bodies. Meanwhile, you contributed nothing other then posting this stupid discussion you know you won't win. AStupidMidge (talk) 10:28, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Change.org petition citations
Shouldn't the citation (no plural) be of the change.org petition itself? Citing three sources that talk about the petition instead of the petition itself is just deadweight loss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.126.187 (talk) 20:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Nope. Change.org is, for all purposes, user-generated content and thus unverified/filtered, etc. We generally do not link to user-generated content just because it exists, see WP:ELNO. But as several reliable sources identified the petition there as well as the volume of signatures there so we are in good shape to add it but usng our reliaable sources as the reference point. --Masem (t) 20:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Unverified? Change.org can't verify itself? You need three different news articles to verify it? How exactly do these articles verify it? Perhaps by citing the petition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.126.187 (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- Anyone can start a petition on change.org. It's user-generated. And the three different articles have different information related to sourcing; for example only one gives the 380,000 signature count. --Masem (t) 17:46, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Isn't his name Desmond Daniel Amofah, not Daniel Desmond Amofah?
Despite what the media says, his full name seems to be Desmond Daniel Amofah, according to himself, his ex-girlfriend, and his friend. 90.252.85.46 (talk) 23:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Done Thank you for clearing that up it will now be changed Michael14375 (talk) 00:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
A suggestion
"Amofah's death highlighted social media platforms' handling of posts by users who appear at risk with mental illness or who are contemplating suicide. In 2017, Facebook increased its efforts to screen and alert possible suicide threats after several people in 2017 live-streamed suicides on Facebook Live. Facebook now utilizes both algorithms and user reports to flag such threats."
However, I failed to find that he was live-streamed on Facebook Live and I think it is more suitable in broader topic such as "Social Media and Mental Health" rather than a person's topic. Should we delete it and only mentioning Facebook's attempt to reduce suicide? Mariogoods (talk) 22:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Change date of death to June 22?
Etika went missing on June 19, which is the date currently listed in the article, but his ex-girlfriend Christine tweeted that she learned he actually died on the 22nd: https://twitter.com/TheAlicePika/status/1145388228272427017 Though this obviously isn't an official police report, she was one of the closest people to him and it sounds like she may have learned this from an official source. Should the date be changed to the 22nd instead of the 19th? CeilingMessenger (talk) 03:42, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- We need an official police report that we can cite, or otherwisse an RS that has likely had access to it. --Masem (t) 03:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- He even has photos on Twitter liked on June 20 which doesn't make any sense. Michael14375 (talk) 13:51, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- There are tools that can automate postings, so that's not necessarily a way to say that; it falls into WP:OR. --Masem (t) 13:59, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Why does Etika's Date of Death still has a circa by it?
Haven't at this point in time the police and forensics figured out the exact day Etika was declared dead? Or has technology haven't gotten far enough where you can exactly pinpoint a drowning victim's time of death. Uuruuseiyo (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- We know there was a coroner's report, and from his gf, it likely was ruled on the 22nd. The problem is, outside of her tweet about that, we have no reliable sources that specifically state the day of death. And I did ask about using her tweet at WP:RS/N and was told a resounding NO. So until someone publishes what the official report says, we have no way to include the exact date, so we have to leave circa there. --Masem (t) 05:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Etika's View Count is over 145 million, not 4 million
Counting all three of his past channels, he has accumulated exactly 145,385,079 video views (and counting) as of July 9th, 2019. 143,741,591 views on "ewnetwork," 839,717 views on "Tr1Iceman," and 803,771 views on "EtikaFRFX." PantheonRadiance (talk) 01:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Done Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't check that he lost 143 million views on EWNetwork. Michael14375 (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2019
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The memorial that the fans put up for Etika has been taken down. 104.10.133.48 (talk) 19:40, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Not done We need a reliable source to note this - and regardless, these memorials are always short-term, so its not really newsworthy. --Masem (t) 19:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --47.148.66.221 (talk) 22:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC) ITs important for people to know about etika and how depression kills everyone
Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --AceAlen (talk) 22:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Should be left alone. Many people have tried to delete this article for ridiculous reasons and should just be left alone.
Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --100.40.122.112 (talk) 22:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Dear Misplaced Pages,
After reviewing this article on the now deceased Desmond Daniel Amofah A.K.A. Etika, I have come to the conclusion that it does not in fact "only serve to promote him", as what is claimed. The article provides transparent information as to where Etika projected his work by providing links to channels owned by him. In addition to that, this article details his life, his career, the mental health issues he faced, as well as details on his death and disappearance. I believe it's an excellent article for Etika and should not be deleted.
Thank you.
Regards,
Anonymous
Suspension of his Twitter
Should we add information on the suspension of his Twitter and when it got hacked? Michael14375 (talk) 08:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Years Active
should etikas years active be 2008-2019 since his "rapping career" started in 2008? or should it just be kept his 2011-2015 (modeling) 2012-2019 (youtuber)
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