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Behavioral guidance

In the currently active RfC for The Sun, Andy Dingley shared some concerns regarding editor behavior when deprecated sources are used. A section on this page that provides behavioral guidance to other editors would be welcome. Specifically, the section should address:

1. How to respond to an editor who uses a deprecated source in violation of restrictions set by community consensus
2. How to respond to an editor who inappropriately reverts a citation of a deprecated source that is covered under one of the exceptions

New user warnings with appropriate messages may be helpful. — Newslinger talk 12:46, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Integration of alternate version

I was actually writing my own version of this essay at the same time. :-) I have added my text in its original form and will do the integration next. Please give me some time to finish editing, and afterwards please feel free to modify/revert/etc. Sunrise (talk) 06:04, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Done (also pinging Newslinger). I tried my best not to privilege either version when removing duplicated material (although I imagine I may have been biased in favor of myself despite that). I did make a few other adjustments as I edited, the biggest one being that the idea of being more reliable historically was actually specific to the Daily Mail. Using it as a primary source about itself is fairly easily extrapolated to other cases, but historical reliability was a specific counterargument advanced by a few editors in the RfC who commented that the Daily Mail had a better reputation in the past. Anyways, I ended up merging the exceptions into the next section to keep everything together. Sunrise (talk) 07:45, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

​This looks great! I like how your version gives detailed advice for handling deprecated sources in general, instead of relying too heavily on the 2017 Daily Mail RfC. The "Acceptable uses..." section also provides some behavioral guidance, which should be useful. Thanks for merging this in! — Newslinger talk 18:40, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Implementing edit filter warnings for deprecated sources

There is a discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § Implementing edit filter warnings for deprecated sources that relates to this page. Please feel free to participate if you are interested. — Newslinger talk 08:54, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

The Irish Sun

Would it be alright to add The Irish Sun (without the link) under The Sun (UK) in the same box in the sources section of the project page? The Irish Sun is part of The Sun as can be seen on that page and The Irish Sun links to The Sun (United Kingdom)'s page. Its just that the way it is curently stated does not make it clear from looking at the table alone that this includes the Ireland addition, as the Repbulic of Ireland is a different country to the United Kingdom. Helper201 (talk) 03:11, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Let's centralize this discussion at WT:RSP § The Irish Sun. — Newslinger talk 14:11, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Is deprecation just for "ongoing" (continuously published) news sources?

The list seems to indicate as much, but is this just an accident of history? I ask because, over three years before the Daily Mail RFC, I opened a discussion at RSN about the Japan Encyclopedia, and there was an (admittedly weak) consensus that it was sub-optimal, should probably not be used going forward, and should probably be replaced where it is currently in use. The book's usage has apparently declined at a rate of around 100 articles annually since then (in 2013 I said it was used in around 1,000, and now the number is down to 426), despite my not having done much heavy lifting in removing it, so it may not be worth discussing, but I'm wondering if an RFC for deprecation would be worthwhile for future instances of similar sources. But are field-specific works too "niche" to be formally deprecated by RFC? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:25, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

There isn't any inherent requirement for a particular publication status or source type. I would say that the list's current composition in this respect reflects the fact that continuously published sources are more likely to have new citations added to WP, and therefore naturally tend to be greater concerns for editors to deal with. Similarly, there are fewer field-specific sources included only because they're less likely to be widely cited, making the deprecation of other sources more likely to be a priority. One of the key points here is that deprecated sources aren't "special" in any way that isn't already established by the existing content policies, with the related element that just because a poor source isn't deprecated it doesn't mean that it isn't just as unreliable as those that are. So I'd still want to mention that you don't need deprecation in order to remove sources for being generally unreliable (using the term as defined at WP:RSP), and that could resolved at RSP without needing a full RfC. Otherwise, to decide on whether to hold an RfC, I'd ask about whether you think there's any particular benefit to formalizing a consensus: e.g. if the status of the source is unclear, if it keeps coming up in discussions, if you think it should be edit-filtered, or if you're planning to review a large number of the existing uses. Or, if you're confident that any RfC would lead to a consensus for deprecation, then there is also the option of treating the source as de facto deprecated and therefore cutting out the bureaucracy. Sunrise (talk) 00:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

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