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@J. M.: @Bassball Batman: @Khirurg: @Hazhk: @DerTorx: @Amanuensis Balkanicus: @Theo Moraes Teixeira: I am pinging several editors who worked on the page in the last month or so. As you can see a number of sources were removed, the part which describes how some priests were attacked have been removed as well. (in the Politika article the man who was attacked talks about it). The part which states that this law applies not only to church building but to estates as well, has also been removed. This law applies to all the property of the Serbian Orthodox Church. We had something similar in the Balkans in the Communist era. The part which described protest as massive has also been removed. According to local news sources around 100.000 protested (which is 1/6 of the country!). I seek help and mediation, as I think that we have a POV pushing and Misplaced Pages:I just don't like it taking place. The whole "fake news" diff (reminds me of someone's tweets) was not explained. Thank you, Sadkσ(talk is cheap)12:58, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Now we have the watered-down version which dismisses the word - protest. I guess that such a small economy depends on tourism section and this does not look good - at all (that motivation comes to mind, but that is off topic). Most of the sources (foreign and domestic) use the word protests, which is 100% appropriate. Sadkσ(talk is cheap)13:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
1) The sources removed were fake news about a priest being injured by the police, which was proven untrue, and even if it was true, I think it would be the first time in Misplaced Pages history that the fact that someone twisted someone else's arm was inserted in an article about a country; 2) The word “estates“ was deleted by mistake and subsequently restored, while “protests/demonstrations“ are mentioned three times in two sencences; 3) The number of 100.000 is wishful thinking which was reported by Serbian media. There were no such numbers in Montenegrin media, regardless of their political position. I do not see the point in playing with the numbers, and no one denied that protests were well attended at times; 4) This is an ongoing current event so the rules regarding such cases should be respected, and edits should be made on the basis of neutral information, rather than inflammatory propaganda articles and nationalist bias which permeates some editors' edits; 5) The editor complaining has a long history of heavy nationalist POV, and is guilty of every single offence that he/she is accusing me of, but that is something I really have no time to discuss if the administrators still turn the blind eye to his/her disruptive activity. Sideshow Bob13:32, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
We have no arguments or sources proving that they were "fake news". If a high-ranking church official - vladika (equivalent of Bishop) Metodije was attacked during protests, than that is notable. The description is per NPOV and just shows that the protest also had a violence note to it. The number is up to 100.000 and not 100.000, it was reported by all respected medias (Politika, Danas, Pečat, Nedeljnik, NIN). Of course that such number or descriptions would not be presented in the Montenegrin medias, which are funded by the government which is trying to push the law. Once again you posted no evidence, which can only tell that you are attempting to discredit my work, which is rather sad. Basic rule of goind per NPOV was respected and everything was written neutrally. Sadkσ(talk is cheap)13:42, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
