Misplaced Pages

Talk:Telekinesis

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Martinphi (talk | contribs) at 20:08, 20 December 2006 (→Refs etc). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Revision as of 20:08, 20 December 2006 by Martinphi (talk | contribs) (→Refs etc)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)
WikiProject iconParanormal Start‑class
WikiProject iconThis article falls under the scope of WikiProject Paranormal, which aims to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to the paranormal and related topics on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, you can edit the attached article, help with current tasks, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and discussions.ParanormalWikipedia:WikiProject ParanormalTemplate:WikiProject Paranormalparanormal
StartThis article has been rated as Start-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
Archive

Archives

Archive 1 Nov 22, 2006

Talk Page Archive

I created a new subpage and it is now Archive 1 with a link at above right. Archive 2, when needed in the future, should be a new page (same as creating an article) titled "Talk:Psychokinesis/archive2" and the link added to the template on this page's code. Some of the talk pages prior to November 22, 2006 to the beginning (15 June 2003) were also using the refactoring method of talk page management. Archive 1 therefore is not a complete record of all discussions. To view other archived talk pages follow these steps: 1. Click on the "History" tab at the top of this page. 2. Click on any date that you wish. That's all you have to do. You will be taken to Wiki's archived talk page for that date. To find the very first talk pages, click on the "Earliest" link at the bottom of the "History" page and scroll down to the links at the bottom of the page. Thank you. 5Q5 19:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

For further information on archiving see Misplaced Pages:How_to_archive_a_talk_page. 5Q5 15:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism problems

Italian PK-cloud claimant

There is a user named Martino 8 who has repeatedly inserted his material, including his email address into the article at various places. Even after I offered a solution and placed a formal link to his website in the External Links section, he still did his improper insertions in caps "The Portraits is taken for the PSYCHOKINESIS CREATION IN THE CLOUDS ,IN THE VARNISH on the cardboard...etc." (I assume portraits = pictures/photos, varnish = paint.) He previously did this using the IP 151.65.48.50 (see Nov 9, 2006 in article history). He has also done this inserting in the articles of James Randi and Larry King.

So I'm removing the link I gave him. Basically, his claim is not a new one: take photographs of clouds and match them with human-made pictures or artwork and call it psychokinesis. Others claim to be able to make clouds appear and disappear. I believe in PK, but I just don't see his claims as being reasonable. Here's why: Anyone who can control the movement of zillions of atoms in the molecules that make up the water vapor in a floating, constantly moving cloud of immense size from miles away surely could place a single drop of water on one side of a line on a flat tabletop and move the drop a fraction of an inch to demonstrate his PK ability.

One of the problems here is that the gentleman's primary language is Italian, not English, so while he may be able to speak English, he has clearly demonstrated he is not proficient in writing it. So sending him Wiki warnings about vandalism and styling will do no good. We may need someone who can communicate with him in Italian. Until then, the only option is to keep reverting. 5Q5 15:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Refs etc

I definitely did a lot of editing of this page. Hope I didn't step on anyone's toes. One of the things I did was to put the refs at the end of paragraphs or sentences. It was nearly impossible to edit the way it was, especially due to the use of the templates. Martinphi 03:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The article was properly formated with references citing sources for the individual items in the article according to the Wiki Style of Manual. See Misplaced Pages:Citing_sources. As further proof, see the Reference section for the Wiki article Astronomy, which is cited in a manner exactly like this article. Experienced editors like myself have no problem editing this page's code. I had to revert the page to an earlier version (13 December 2006) because your major edits destroyed the accuracy of the references in the article. I am the person who went to the trouble of doing the massive amount of citing sources for this article. I physically went to libraries and bookstores with notepad and pen and did the research and got the information to do the references. Close to 95% of what's in this article I wrote. It would be nice if others contributed new material instead of tweaks and deletions. 5Q5 14:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Your other edits

It is proper to include an excerpt when linking to a main article. Otherwise, the link would just go in the See Also section. I restored the Cultural Ref excerpts, but removed the ones for The Man Who Could Work Miracles and Charmed. The others are major examples of Oscar-winning and -nominated films.

The Quotations section, which is also largely my writing, could I suppose fit better in the new List of Cultural Refs article (also my creation), so I'll move it there.

The List of skeptics prize money (also mine), I suppose could also be deleted from the article, but I intend to place it here, in case anyone wants to discuss the issue further. 5Q5 14:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Prize money offered for scientific proof of PK / TK

Yes, I see you're technically right about where to place the citations, it is just hard to edit (experience has nothing to do with it). But you didn't always do it right, for instance the "Belief in telekinesis" section, the citation should come after the paragraph, or at least after the punctuation.
I think anyone who wants that much detail in that section should also go the article. It's just too much, and I feel my edit is better.
The origin section belongs as part of the intro.
The "Notable claimants of psychokinesis or telekinesis" shouldn't have separate headings.
It is proper to include an excerpt when linking to a main article. I'll take your work on this (:

If you have no objection, I'll later restore the edits I've listed here, that is, abbreviation of the belief in telekinesis, the separate headings of claimants, and we really need to merge the intro with the origin section.

I was actually very impressed with this article, especially with the sources. I/we could use your help on the parapsychology page. The tone of it does seem a little technical or choppy though. I think an encyclopedia should be formal, but also flowing. Martinphi 00:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I went back to your 17 Dec version and I've incorporated many of the edits you mention above. I renamed "Origin'" as "Terminology" and moved the line about variations of the words to there. The dictionary definition should stay in I feel. You have to be aware that a lot of what is in the article is the result of compromises between the very pro-paranormal and very hard-line skeptical communities. The skeptics are the ones who have insisted on references for practically everything. The article seems mostly a collection of facts right now because it is awaiting a brave individual who wants to risk wasting their time writing history, current research, hypotheses/theories sections, only to see them ripped apart by debunkers. This type of article is also heavily prone to pranksters. 5Q5 15:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I think I'm in the process of writing a section which will be hard to debunk, mostly about the Ganzfeld experiments, and how they have been repeated, in accordance with the agreement on procedures between Honorton and Hyman. Following Radin's lead in Conscious Universe. The problem won't be the evidence, and it won't be the debunkers, because I think it can be made debunk-proof. This is because it will be in tandem with the criticism and response section of the parapsychology article, which I intend to make an article in itself. The problem I'm having, is that I don't know how to focus it so that it will cover this article, Ganzfeld article Scientific investigation of telepathy and maybe a few others. I want to be able to have a waterproof article (I mean, where you can say, "sorry, already covered in section...") which can stand as the 1) parapsychological viewpoint 2) the skeptical viewpoint and 3) the response to the skeptical viewpoint from the parapsychologists. Everything with references. Any suggestions? Martinphi 20:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Wiki Bot visit

A Wiki robot visited the page (see below) and is claiming that the ISBN number for the James Randi book Flim Flam! is incorrect. 

00:13, 20 December 2006 SmackBot (Talk | contribs) m (ISBN formatting/gen fixes using AWB)

As I write this, it reads in Further Reading section: Flim Flam!, James Randi, Prometheus Books, 1982, ISBN 0-89775-198-3. If someone looks into this, please leave a note here. 5Q5 15:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Categories: