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Planet of the Humans
( )- ... that documentary producer Michael Moore argues, in Planet of the Humans, that new measures promoted to save the planet are actually endangering it?
5x expanded by various users. Nominated by RTG (talk) at 12:32, 29 April 2020 (UTC).
The article is new enough (expanded) and not plagiarized, but I wonder if the hook (unsourced) is correct. This simple statement is not found in the article, and I worry that saying so in our wiki voice is unjustified WP:SYNTH. Also I am not seeing QPQ review from the nominator (seems required?).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- It's the whole basis of the documentary... That some measures to replace traditional energy with "clean" energy is done in a dirty way. I see no it's already been greatly expanded since I started it. It says now that the central theme of the doc is the use of "biofuel" being a synonym for "burning trees", but in fact it also criticising building and materials... questions like... how do you building thousands and thousands of tonnes of wind farm without burning a lot of coal and oil, and how many plants are built in conjunction with gas plants... I'm lagging behind a bit.. I'll see if I can source that properly, update, and do my QPQ over the weekend and I'll ping you then Piotrus, cheers. ~ R.T.G 03:36, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- It does actually say, "The film also claims that wind power and solar energy don't fare much better than biomass once all their inputs from fossil fuels are taken into account, and in some cases, pollute more"? Seems to be just a different wording to the hook above? ~ R.T.G 03:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- I just saw the film. It's misleading at best to say that Michael Moore argues anything in the film. He executive produced it, but didn't write, direct, or appear in it. It would be more accurate to say something like "... Planet of the Humans, executive produced by Michael Moore, argues that new measures ..." MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:27, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Considering how controversial the film has been and how its science claims have been questioned, I would highly suggest that any hook that ends up being used or proposed takes this reception into account and that whatever hook is used adheres to guidelines like WP:FRINGE. Narutolovehinata5 10:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- How about instead of saying "...Michael Moore argues..." to just say ALT1 ... that a documentary produced by Michael Moore, Planet of the Humans, argues that new measures promoted to save the planet are actually endangering it? ~ R.T.G 14:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: I claimed to have started the article but I didn't. I started a different article about a documentary around the same time. Planet of the Humans has an article more than six months. It got expanded by various editors after Moore released it free to watch on Youtube a couple of weeks ago. ~ R.T.G 14:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Another comment: while I'm aware that a lot of coverage for the documentary mentions Moore's name due to his involvement, I'm thinking that theoretically him being mentioned in the hook is optional since it's fairly incidental and the subject is the film and its content, not Moore. Narutolovehinata5 00:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Moore is a big name in documentaries. He has won higher awards and had more success than any other documentarian. As a boss of the show, it is the hookiest thing to put his name on it. It may be worth adding "Jeff Gibbs" but it would not be worth removing "Michael Moore" in terms of maximising hits. ~ R.T.G 05:04, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Another comment: while I'm aware that a lot of coverage for the documentary mentions Moore's name due to his involvement, I'm thinking that theoretically him being mentioned in the hook is optional since it's fairly incidental and the subject is the film and its content, not Moore. Narutolovehinata5 00:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- In other words, the goal is not information, but promotion. So no. --Calton | Talk 08:44, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure what the rules are at DYK for FRINGE opinions, but the movie has been found so rife with mistakes that the hook above might give more credence than is due. I'm planning (RSI, might not happen) to bring some reputable fact-checks more to the front in the article, maybe we can use some of those instead for a hook? If we want a hook at all. Femke Nijsse (talk) 09:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- In other words, the goal is not information, but promotion. So no. --Calton | Talk 08:44, 11 May 2020 (UTC)