Talk:General Motors streetcar conspiracy

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Coachbuilt

I’d have to disagree that Coachbuilt.com is not a reliable source for the purposes it is used here for, @JzG:. It’s self-published only in the sense that, say, Stephen King is. I think a look at the history of how and why it was tagged might be useful. Qwirkle (talk) 09:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Qwirkle, I checked the site, it has none of the indicia of reliability. I didn't find any About page, editorial policy, list of contributors and credentials. It welcomes user submissions. Feel free to show me the evidence of authority, I am not looking to find hills to die on, but I don't see reliability here, so if you do, maybe you can help me out. Guy (help!) 11:09, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

JzG, I agree that it needs a little digging to figure out responsibility-a simple masthead would be nice, but Mark Theobald is the editor throughout. While it “accepts submissions” from damn near anybody, it publishes them as they are vetted, and points out that It may be a number of days, weeks or even months before the builder is updated with the new information. Theobald is a member of the Society of Automotive Historians, and was recognized by them at least once. It’s not a bad site, overall.

Now, it’s run by a car nut by avocation and profession, endorsed by the same, and it’d be a little chancy to use for some aspects of a subject that was literally front-and-center in the War on Cars, but its a damned good convenience cite for other aspects. The opposition to it here, you will note, was driven by POV-pushing IP socks. Qwirkle (talk) 17:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Qwirkle, Thanks, that's a helpful analysis. I do not object to this source and removal of the {{sps}} tag based on the above. Guy (help!) 19:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, JzG. Would you mind self-reverting to the status quo ante? There Be Trolls in these woods, and I expect some sock would drag me off to WP:ANEW if I were to do that. Qwirkle (talk) 19:53, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Recent revert...

A recent edit to this page that set up automatic archiving was reverted. Automatic-archiving is a concept that is instituted or not instituted according to local consensus but keeping outdated/stale content on this page (over 3 years old) and that hasn't had a response in years doesn't serve the interests of the article or of Misplaced Pages. The last time content was manually archived was over 3 years ago. So, yeah...this page needs to be archived. And I'm doing that. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 19:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Again, I’d disagree. These may not be ongoing discussions, but they reflect the ongoing disputes. Qwirkle (talk) 19:41, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

First line issues

the opening line of the article is "The notion of a General Motors streetcar conspiracy emerged" when it should read "The reality of a General Motors streetcar conspiracy emerged"

Anyone disagree? The reality is that GM and the other major car makers were involved in a criminal conspiracy to ruin mass transit in the USA. 82.10.140.18 (talk) 17:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I suggest you read the entire article to answer your question. There were plenty of factors besides GM that led to the demise of trolley cars. Indyguy (talk) 17:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Revert of “further reading”

This source is both widely factually discredited, and already referenced in the main body. Shouldn’t be in further reading if it’s already in the text...and we really shouldn’t link to inaccurate sources without commentary. Qwirkle (talk) 23:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Qwirkle, seems fair. Guy (help!) 23:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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