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Hey are you crazy ? Why did you put Afghanistan in the Indian Subcontinent ? As I am of Afghan origin I feel greatly insulted, change this please, every Afghan feel cringe when a South Asian try to put us in their region we are not, it's not because some Pashtuns and Turkic people coming from actual Afghanistan ruled your countries that we are South Asians/Indian Subcontinent, I know it's all political and I think you greatly accept Hindutva ideology which is literally an "Indian" Nazism. I wanted to let you know that every Afghan hate your false contributions to Misplaced Pages and I hope one day you will that all this political and racist bullsh** was stupid, what are your arguments ? Afghans watch Bollywood ? Moghol Empire (that was only present in Kabul region, by the way the rulers were Central Asians) ? Gandhara (only parts of Kabul) ? Did you forget that Afghanistan is the homeland of Iranic people literally, it's the most probable country where they split between Eastern Iranians and Western Iranians, Iranic are Central Asians and you know this, did you forget about Bactrians, Sassanides, Samanids, Safavids, Arab Caliphates, and more ? Like I said in another thread, more than 50% of Afghanistan are Persian speakers and Turkic language speakers, are you blind ? Islam ? Ghaznavids converted Indians actual Pakistanis did you know that ? Go seriously check a physician to cure you racism and your insecurities. From a Persian speaking Afghan from Central and Northern Afghanistan, ⁦دعب رادید ات ⁦ Spoopy2001 (talk) 10:17, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Adiyta, hope that you're well whereever you are based. I want to leave a short message on your talk page. Firstly, thanks for your edits to that article! It's great to have someone interested and improving the articles around here. I saw your request for some additional editors at WT:ANAT, so I have also dropped a message at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Women in Red. Cleavage is a complex article that I feel probably requires more than one editor to get an appropriate nuance - I hope you don't take this the wrong way, as it looks well on its way to a good article status and I can see how hard you are editing on it. You probably also saw my message at Talk:Intermammary cleft. Again, I hope it is not taken the wrong way if I disagree with you. Happy to continue discussing at that page. Let me know if there's anything else that I can help out with - I'll be sure to keep cleavage on my watchlist and will have a look at it from an anatomical perspective within the next week or so. Cheers --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Though it was a it difficult for me to see why "I hope it is not taken the wrong way if I disagree with you" was needed. Disagreements are the lifeblood of Misplaced Pages, as long it doesn't comprise only of reverts and complaints and avoiding discussions (which was Iztwoz's way of disagreement here). BTW, I also have posted to WP:WPMOS, WP:GUILD and WP:MED for help. I intend to seek more help as things progress, inclduing WP:HIST and Misplaced Pages:LGBT. Aditya 01:50, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Bangladesh Liberation War

Hi, guess you are already preoccupied. Could you take a look at the discussion here if time permits? Thanks. --Zayeem 15:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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Stop edit warring on Bangladesh liberation war. Aman Kumar Goel 04:43, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

You first. Aditya 12:48, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Greater Bangladesh map

You undid my edit by removing Assam Province (current Northeast India). Well here Assam means the current Northeast India. Due to an act in the Indian constitution, states were formed on the basis of ethnicities.

Even in "The Bengal borderland: beyond state and nation in South Asia" - the citation used in the article has mentioned that - "Assam, a state (province) of India, gradually broke into several smaller states: Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram and Nagaland (See Appendix Figure 2)"

And this demand is as old as East Pakistan. During 1947, West Pakistan leaders (including Jinnah) & East Pakistan leaders were expecting Assam Province as a part of Pakistan. Moinul Haque Chowdhary the Private Secretary of Jinnah, who after Independence became a Minister in Assam and later at Delhi, told Jinnah that he would "present Assam to him on a silver platter". So, I see no reason why you would undo my edit. Tizen03 (talk) 07:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

@Tizen03: Thanks for raising the point. Since the time that's covered in the line is about Assam, and not about the parts Assam would break away in future, mentioning a long list of subsequent provinces is not just redudandant, but misleading too. You could also look at WP:SYNTH. One more thing - I think this discussion should happen at the article talk page. Aditya 07:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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Referring to this gross violation of WP:CANVASS, be mindful of WP:BATTLE and stop ridiculing exisitng contributions as "nationalistic POVs". Abhishek0831996 (talk) 05:56, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Looks like I did something somewhere that made you very upset. I apologize for hurting your feelings. But I am a bit mystified about the allegation of "leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote". The diff you posted doesn't really cover that.
It was done on the discussion itself, and that in an RfC, which is a request for comment. Therefore it is prudent to invite experienced and uninvolved editors with a good standing from relevant workspaces. Not one was invited out of IPA or MILHIST articles, as the article in discussion belongs to those projects. And, I have never been in contact before with most of the editors. It is not called WP:CANVASSING, it is called WP:COLLABORATION. If you are not convinced that it was the proper thing to do, then you may try taking this to WP:ANI.
On the flipside, you post here is very aggressive, abusive on the verge of threatening, and looks verry comabtive. May be you would also want to review your own conduct. Aditya 07:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
The above template is taken from Misplaced Pages:Template index/User talk namespace/Single-level templates. FWIW, Misplaced Pages:Canvassing has been linked above and you should read Misplaced Pages:Canvassing#Inappropriate notification. You were canvassing some users after selectively picking them because "Not one was invited out of IPA or MILHIST articles",  as you think your "discussion needs military historians, not nationalistic POVs." It is inappropriate canvassing. If you are canvassing, then you have to ping other side as well. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
I only pinged editors who have no sides in this discussion. If you want me to ping a "side", just let me know which editors belong to that "side". I promise I will ping them too. Aditya 08:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks. Aditya 12:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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@Bishonen: Thanks for reminding how important it is to keep a cool head. I hope you have also taken a look at what I have receiving. Taking that bait has definitely resulted in taking a fall. Though it makes me sad to see how unfriendly Misplaced Pages has become, where the spirit is buried beneath the letters, making it easy is to game the system. May be one can learn to live with it. Aditya 10:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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The Queen of Hearts said, "Off with his head!" without even looking around.
Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, 1865

I believe this block decision was a bit too hasty and was done without looking at the case closely. The complaint (which may have been a reaction to the discussion but to an arbitration request, where similar behaviour of the complaining party gets only a slap on the wrist) was made of a handful of cherrypicked misrepresentation of diffs, like:

  • "are you afraid of uninvolved (and non-Indian) editors"
In reality the comment was "Why are you warring here when we can get more people to discuss? Are you interested to get to WP:MILHIST or are you afraid of uninvolved (and non-Indian) editors taking a look at this?" which followed "I see. You did not get the point. That's okay. {{ping|Kmzayeem}} {{ping|Aman.kumar.goel}} {{ping|Orientls}} Let's take this to a bigger forum - WP:MILHIST" () and was answered with a refusal to talk to MILHIST "Those editors frequently involved with (regardless of nationality) Afghanistan, India and Pakistan related articles will anyway do better here than WP:MILHIST in general." ()
  • "By the way, the Indian editors here seem to lose interest in discussion"
In reality the comment was "By the way, the Indian editors here seem to lose interest in discussion because their version is live. I believe they will rejoin the discussion the moment their version is changed." which was met with "If you believe that people would be willing to repeat themselves all the time and entertain discussion involving "American Revolutionary War as French victory", "France or Canada didn't fight in Japan, the US did", "Japanese Instrument of Surrender", or any other violations of WP:NOTAFORUM then you are indeed driving editors away from the talk page. You will also benefit from reading WP:STICK" () though another editor observed "The discussion started on 1 August and the opposing side didn't respond till 7 August, only after I made that change in infobox, so Aditya Kabir's suggestion on the lack of interest in discussion by some editors as long as their version is live is not really unfounded." ()
  • "Two Indian editors pushing for a certain version"
In reality the comment was "Two Indian editors pushing for a certain version and five Bangladeshi editors not agreeing to that version is not concensus. One side of the debate refraining from discussion and constantly being incivil is not consensus building. Since there is no consensus and no effort to build consensus is in sight, I think I am going to revert this back to the only WP:NPOV version (i.e. this version) we had. Until a consensus is reached we need to have a both-sided verion live."
  • "Our Indian friends are having a hard time"
In reality the comment was "Our Indian friends are having a hard time believing that Bangladesh could have a victory while India had a victory. It "needs" to be an exclusive Indian victory, though NONE of their sources say so" which followed a number of sources that illustrated the point. Incidentaly the large number of sources, cites and quotes were met with ""Indian victory" is the only thing the infobox can meaningfully say and it is NPOV because it is supported by reliable sources. It can be violation of NPOV only if it is a fringe view or it is meaningfully contradicted by credible sources. I clearly don't see evidence for any of those reasons." ()
  • "Please, help. This discussion needs military historians, not nationalistic POVs"
Well... I really can't see what's wrong with that one, even in a cherrypicked quote. A military historian is good, nationalistic POVs like "it can only be India" or "it can only be Bangladesh" is bad.
  • "POV combatants are not really good for a consensus. I guess the combative POV pushers are trying very hard to resist such editors from coming here."
The full comment was "I am still working on getting more "experienced" "uninvolved" and "reputed" editors who know about similar stuff to voice their opinions. POV combatants are not really good for a consensus. I guess the combative POV pushers are trying very hard to resist such editors from coming here. But I still believe that on Misplaced Pages collaboration and consensus will win over POV pushing." And, again, it is difficult to find what's wrong with it, unless someone synthesizes it with many other things.

The blocking admin, who quickly applied the block (in 6 hours, and before I get to present my case), said in her/his statement:

May be. But WP:APPNOTE does approve such notifications of "limited posting" of "neutral" messages to a "nonpartisan" audience in an "open" and transparent manner. The action was also repeatedly explained:
  • "It was done on the discussion itself, and that in an RfC, which is a request for comment. Therefore it is prudent to invite experienced and uninvolved editors with a good standing from relevant workspaces. Not one was invited out of IPA or MILHIST articles, as the article in discussion belongs to those projects. And, I have never been in contact before with most of the editors. It is not called WP:CANVASSING, it is called WP:COLLABORATION. " ()
  • "I am still working on getting more "experienced" "uninvolved" and "reputed" editors who know about similar stuff to voice their opinions..." (()]
  • "I only pinged editors who have no sides in this discussion. If you want me to ping a "side", just let me know which editors belong to that "side". I promise I will ping them too." ()
  • "I frankly don't know where their sympathies lie (for example, I don't know yours). But all are experienced, uninvolved, in good standing, and is knowledgeable about similar articles." ()
The comment was ""Two Indian editors pushing for a certain version and five Bangladeshi editors not agreeing to that version is not concensus." Well, I happen to be one of the five Bangladeshis. It is about the POV stand, and not nationality, as becomes apparent in the fact that many of the people I pinged I believe are Indian in nationality or ethnicity (LouisAragon, Kautilya3, Worldbruce, BrownHairedGirl, and AshLin, who served in the Indian Military). This is a very sad judgement for someone who belongs to the Indian Wikiproject and has created, collaborated with, and improved dozens of articles on Indian topics, and who claims many Indian editors to be his close Wikifriends (BTW, I did not ping my "friends").
The comment was "{{ping|Orientls}} Meta:Don't be a jerk. Everyone can quote essays." And it came after the intended audience/editor posted the following:
  • "Falsifying statements of other editors is not going to help you with your erroneous WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. What Aman Kumar Goel added back is completely supported by WP:RS. Since you have failed to understand such a simple fact, I would recommend you to take a look at WP:CIR." ()
This I answered with "No, dear Orientls, you may be wrong, and I am refraining from asides about your rather strange and WP:INCIVIL comment about "falsifying statements of other editors"... Thanks. I hope both of us will be more CIVIL to each other the next time." () Alas, it did not work.
  • "But will you deny that you are attempting to mention "Bangladesh" before "Indian victory"? Where does your echo any words like "Bangladeshi victory" or even "Bangladeshi-Indian victory"? Ironic of you to cite "WP:CIR" when you are struggling with your numerous behavioral issues and showing a continued failure to understand WP:PRIMARY." ()
  • "Undid revision 971679493 by Aditya Kabir (talk) revert WP:TE per talk page" ()
  • "We don't WP:SYNTH statements of army generals due to WP:PRIMARY. Your personal translation of an unknown and unverifiable page number (see WP:VERIFY) isn't convincing." ()
  • "So everyone who has opposed your WP:OR is ultimately an "Indian"? See WP:BATTLE. If you believe that people would be willing to repeat themselves all the time and entertain discussion involving "American Revolutionary War as French victory", "France or Canada didn't fight in Japan, the US did", "Japanese Instrument of Surrender", or any other violations of WP:NOTAFORUM then you are indeed driving editors away from the talk page. You will also benefit from reading WP:STICK." ()
I understand that "Telling someone "don't be a jerk" is generally wrong – especially if it's true. It upsets the other person and reduces the chance that they'll listen to what you say," (Meta:Don't be a jerk) but it did reduce the essay-bombing a bit, and hence sidetracking of the discussion.

Finally, according to the statement by the blocking admin, one of the reasons for blocking me is WP:CIR. May be another way to look at it is WP:CIRNOT, especially if the targeted editor has been involved in improving dozens of articles to FA and GA status, has been key in mediating a number of disputes, successful nomination of admins, and even revision of policy. The two CIR points that possibly could apply may be:

  • "the ability to read sources and assess their reliability. Editors should familiarize themselves with Misplaced Pages's guidance on identifying reliable sources and be able to decide when sources are, and are not, suitable for citing in articles." - I certainly hope these sources are not an indication of failing to assess realiabilty of a source. I could also use examples of other instances, if needed.
  • "the ability to communicate with other editors and abide by consensus." - Judging my own comment at the discussion - "I would prefer to err on the side of caution. Disputes like these has a way of recurring back. A bulletproof consensus, as opposed to an half-baked consensus like the one quoted above, may be better for continued stability of the article. Besides, if someone wants disrupt a fair consensus in future it will be easier to defend the article through WP:ACDS." - it seems a bit far fetched that I don't get consensus, which has not been achieved at the discussion as I write.

It took me some time to respond to this because I expected better investigation before an admin action (though, of course, admins are not perfect, and thet may not even reply to a politely hurt comment on the block) a long stading editor, and this type of lawyering really is depressing. I would rather read sources and improve articles (may be a recent example of my collaboration would illustrate a few points in that direction). But, well... sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, even if a 48 hr block does not mean the end of the world. Hence this appeal. Otherwise a sub-par blocking would remain the outcome of a nasty war of invicilities and stonewalling. Thanks. Aditya 01:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

P.S. I just found out that I was blocked for "disruptive editing" though neither the complaint nor the blocking editors statement has any proof of that. Is that a mistake? Aditya 02:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

This is too long, no ones going to read that, especially for just a 48 hour block.CaptainEek 03:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


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Please don't take this the wrong way - but you may want to signifigantly shorten that appeal if you want a reviewing admin to read it before your block expires. SQL 13:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
SQL is right. No one is going to read the appeal and it will be declined. Also, in the spirit of SQL's "don't take this the wrong way", Bishonen's block is not without reason and your options are to either sit it out (a couple of days is no big deal in this age of pandemic) or to acknowledge the reasons behind the block and hope they reconsider. --RegentsPark (comment) 13:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
I need to take the dog out for a walk anyways, though I think it's the neighbours dog.
  • How do you mean, I blocked 'before you got to present your case'? Before I blocked, I looked at your contributions and saw that you were editing, without showing any interest in the ANI report you had been alerted to. You made six edits at various places after your ANI alert and before my block. I don't know how long you expected me to wait before you got round to replying at ANI, considering you were editing? Not sure who you are accusing of "lawyering" either, could you be more specific, please? Bishonen | tålk 14:45, 18 August 2020 (UTC).
Apologies. I didn't want to accuse you of lawyering, though reading again it does seem so. I was accusing myself, as digging through dirt did feel like a lawyer's work. It is pretty clear to me that this is something I have no skills for. May be it's just ranting, but it does take time for me to figure out what to write and how to present a legal case. As you can see, I still figured wrong.
That's okay. There was a lot of sccreaming all around, and there was one editor clever enough and experienced enough in such things has figured out how to take away the one editor fighting for outside opinion. I should learn to keep my cool (and I do thank you for reminding me that, though a tad too harshly IMHO). But the damage has been done to her/his cause. Outside attentions has been achieved. Now the discussion and the article hopefully will take care of itself. I lose, but Misplaced Pages wins. Works for me fine. I can only rest my case. Aditya 16:23, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Tough times, let's have some beer and reminisce the good ol' days. If it's worth anything, you had a great impact on my transformation from a noob to a regular contributor. Last few days have been nasty but I'm sure you'll come back stronger. Cheers! Zayeem 18:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

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