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I maintain this page by deleting items after a week or two or more. Hmains (talk) 16:09, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

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You may wish to make use of a 'Dates' tab in edit mode that will help with unlinking unnecessary date links. Simply copy the entire contents of User:Bobblewik/monobook.js to your own monobook. Then follow the instructions in your monobook to clear the cache (i.e. press Ctrl-Shift-R in Firefox, or Ctrl-F5 in IE) before it will work. It also provides a 'Units' tab. If you know what you are doing, you can copy and modify the subfiles as you wish. I just thought you might be interested. Regards. bobblewik 20:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The reason it fails is because you refer to User:Hmains/monobook.js/dates.js and User:Hmains/monobook.js/unitformatter.js and these articles do not exist. You have two options:
Try again. I am happy to walk you through the process. So feel free to ask me again. bobblewik 12:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

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Delink dates per WP:DATELINK, WP:YEARLINK and MOS:UNLINKYEARS

As always, the content of the linked-to article must provide substantive content to the linked-from article. The MOS decided most dates do not do this. Hmains (talk) 03:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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Adminship

Since you are very active in the project, would you like to be an administrator? Do you need tools to move/delete pages for example? Are you active in WP space, involved in xFDs or something similar? -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll second Magioladitis here. I think you'd do fantastic as an administrator. The choice is entirely yours, but just know that should you ever submit an RfA, you'll have my support. Kurtis (talk) 03:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Understandable. Do whatever you feel comfortable doing, it's not my place to pressure you.
But in the off chance that you ever change your mind, know that I would feel confident in entrusting you with the tools. =) Kurtis (talk) 04:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Hmains, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,
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Hello Hmains: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Walk Like an Egyptian (talk) 06:13, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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CatAutoTOC

Hi Hmains

Hood to see you adding TOCs to categories, as in this edit to Category:National Register of Historic Places in Indianapolis ... but please could you use {{CatAutoTOC}} rather than {{Category TOC}}?style="color:#663200;">BrownHairedGirl]] (talk) • (contribs) 11:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: I was wondering about that but when I saw the resulting non display categories I thought maybe either was ok. I will certainly change to CatAutoTOC. Should {{CatAutoTOC}} be added to all categories, regardless of current size? Thanks. Hmains (talk) 21:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Sculptures

Sculpture is art for WP purposes, noty one of "the arts". I've reverted you. Johnbod (talk) 20:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

NOOOOOO! Are you serious? Sculptures are objects anyway. You should not have done these without discussion. Raise it at the project by all means. They will probably have the patience to explain why you are wrong. I'm too busy reverting this wrong-headed changes. Johnbod (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Serious AWB problems again

Hi Hmains

Earlier today, I spotted this edit by you to a page which I created: Category:2020 coronavirus pandemic in Kuwait.

The edit summary caught my eye: →‎top: category refine, sort sequence.

Those subcats of Category:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country are all fairly simple, with a consistent set of 3 parent categories. So I couldn't think of what category refine, sort sequence was needed.

So I looked at the diff ... and found that what was actually done was simply to add {{CatAutoTOC}} ... which is nothing to do with what the edit summary describes. And your contribs list shows that you did it to the whole set in Category:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country

Three issues with this:

  1. The persistent use of a wholly misleading edit summary is sneaky: see the first item in WP:SUMMARYNO. You were systematically misrepresenting the effects of your edits.
  2. In each case, you added the TOC above the header info, whereas the conventional placement of a TOC is below the lead on an article, or below the header on a category. On a category page, the TOC is conventionally placed at the bottom of the header because that is where it's most useful for jumping between pages
  3. None of the by-country subcats of Category:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country come anywhere close the threshold of 100 pages in which a TOC will be displayed. The biggest categories and US and UK, with 30 and 19 pages respectively. None of the others have more than 15 pages, and the vast majority have less than five. There is very little possibility of any of them growing to over 100 pages, so those edits were pointless

So I looked again at your contribs, and find that it is part of a huge series of many thousands of edits by you in recent days which used that bogus edit summary when you added {{CatAutoTOC}}. There are pages of them in your contribs over the last few days, all conducted at extraordinarily high speed. See e.g.

  • 15:51 to 16:01, 3 May 2020: 500 edits in 10 minutes
  • 03:23 to 03:31 2 May 2020 : 500 edits in 8 minutes.

So in addition to mislabelled, malformed, un-needed edits to huge numbers of pages, you are also running an unauthorised bot at unacceptable speeds.

That sneaky, malformed addition of {{CatAutoTOC}} to complete sets of categories which won't benefit from it is a pattern repeated across thousands of edit. You were being indiscriminate.

But it gets much worse. See for example that set of 500 edits made from 15:51 to 16:01 3 May 2020: .

All of those pages also have the above-mentioned problems of mislabelled, malformed, to huge numbers of pages, made by an unauthorised bot at unacceptable speeds. But they add an additional problem: in most cases they added a duplicate {{CatAutoTOC}}

From that set, see for example:

The result of the thousands of edits like that which you made is that if those categories expand beyond 100 pages, they will display two TOCs. That is an error, which needs to be fixed.

That's not the end of it, see for example:

  • This edit to Category:1203 establishments by country. It didn't have a{{CatAutoTOC}}. But it is firmed solely from the category header template {{Estcatbycountry}}, If you wanted to add {{CatAutoTOC}} to all the "YYYY establishments by country" categories, that could have been done in one edit to {{Estcatbycountry}}. Instead you have made goodness knows how many edits, which impede maintenance by unncessarily increasing the amount of markup on the page.

You have made many thousands of these disruptive edits, which others will now have to cleanup.

If this was the first problem, then I would simply ask you to stop.

But in your case, it's an escalation and recurrence of a long-standing problem with your misuse of AWB. Those problems persisted for years, despite numerous warnings from multiple editors, which came to a head in long discussion on your talk in January 2019: see the thread For the last time.

That led to an ANI thread in February 2019 (see WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1002#Hmains, at which the community decided to revoke your AWB privileges for a minimum of 6 months.

On 29 Sept 2919, you made a request at WP:PERM/AWB asking for your AWB access to be restored, in which you stated I have made some erroneous edits with AWB in the past and do not intend to repeat that again.

You did not actually note that your permission had been revoked per ANI, which was an unhelpful omission. That crucial info was added three hours later by JJMC89.

Anyway, your request was approved by Primefac on 9 November.

In January, I noted that you were making the same type of errors as you had made before:. You replied three days later with a glib shrug, which I thought was unhelpful and inadequate ... but I chose not to challenge further at that point.

It's hard to review whether other editors raised concerns with you since your AWB rights were restored, because you choose to simply remove threads from your talk page rather than archive them, especially when they are critical of you. (e.g. you removed my 18 January complaint on 31 January, even though much older threads remain on your page). I don't have the time to trawl through the page history of your talk page, so I can't say whether there have been any other complaints since your AWB permission was restored.

But this latest mess is absolutely monumental in scale, and will take a huge amount of work to revert. It seems to me to be a clear breach of your undertaking in September I have made some erroneous edits with AWB in the past and do not intend to repeat that again.

As a result, I think it's time for you to stop using AWB entirely. The discussion at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1002#Proposal:_Revoke_AWB_rights shows repeated concerns that you simply don't take enough care in your edits, and this latest saga is that same type problem pumped up by several orders of magnitude.

If necessary, I will take this to ANI and seek a perma-ban on your use of AWB. But I would prefer not to put you through that if it can be avoided, so I suggest that you may therefore want to make a request at WP:PERM/AWB for your rights to be removed permanently in view of your failure to keep your promise to avoid errors. That's only a suggestion intended to make life easier for you, and you are under no obligation to accept it ... but if you don't, then I will take this to ANI.

Pinging @EEng, Headbomb, and Ritchie333, who were part of the earlier discussions on this page; plus @Cygnis insignis, Serial Number 54129, Softlavender, Govindaharihari, and Fish and karate, who all commented at ANI; plus JJMC89 who closed the ANI discusison and Primefac who restored the user rights. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I'd support removal of AWB rights again, permanently this time. Regardless of the minor issues with sorting and where to add CatAutoTOC, it should have been painfully obvious to not go on AWB sprees to add it to every category under the sun. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Pulled. Primefac (talk) 14:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, @Primefac, and esp for leaving a link in to this in your edit summary.
@Hmains: I am truly sorry that it came to this, but it was needed. Your evident niceness and good intent doesn't make this sort of thing acceptable, and there has been ample warning. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
I too am sorry to see it's come to this again. Hmains, I know it's hard to feel it right now, but you will find other ways to contribute to the project. EEng 14:50, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
  • I am sorry to have had this happen and apologize for the trouble it caused. I will say, however, that when I pinged someone here to find out whether CatAutoTO was meant to be added to every category, to be ready if the category grew in size, I received no answer; also, the documentation is not clear. I seemed like a good thing. I have no excuse for the mistakes, however. Thanks. Hmains (talk) 01:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Hmains, when I was reviewing this page to prepare this complaint, I spotted that I had missed the ping. Sorry about that, but such things happen, and lack of an answer is not a green light to go ahead.
Documentation often doesn't answer all possible questions, and if a question is unresolved, then the remedy is to ask elsewhere. In this case, a post at WP:CATP or the village pump would have gotten you an answer. It is never a good idea to make a huge number of changes without clarifying a key question which you have identified, and that sort of conduct is explicitly deprecated in WP:AWBRULES #3:

Do not make controversial edits with it. Seek consensus for changes that could be controversial at the appropriate venue; village pump, WikiProject, etc. "Being bold" is not a justification for mass editing lacking demonstrable consensus.

Since you had already had AWB access revoked for 6 months due to misuse, you should have been paying close attention to the rules.
As you say, you have no excuse for the other problems in this rampage:
  • running an unauthorised bot
  • using a bogus edit summary on tens of thousands of edits
  • not excluding pages which already had CatAutoTOC
  • adding CatAutoTOC to the wrong part of the page.
After your 6-month ban and all your previous warnings, you should have been taking very great care in use of AWB; but instead you were multiply WP:RECKLESS. So I hope that this revocation of your AWB access will be permanent.
If I sound grumpy, that is because I am grumpy about this. It took me several hours to analyse what had happened and document it here. It will now take about two days of my life to clean up the mess which you have made because you ignored multiple warnings to take more care and broke your own promise to avoid errors. That is not a good way to treat your colleagues in a collaborative project.
At the ANI discussion in Feb 2019 on your proposed AWB ban, I called for a permanent ban rather than just 6 months. In hindsight, I wish that I had pushed more forcefully the points I made there. - --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Cleaning up after the AWB spree: see User:BrownHairedGirl/Hmains cleanup

I have begun cleaning up after Hmains's AWB spree. I am documenting this at User:BrownHairedGirl/Hmains cleanup, and will link to that page in my edit summaries. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

I remember starting the "Liberal arts colleges of (state)" categories years ago but never had the motivation to finish putting all of the colleges that apply to their respective categories, You da man! Dwscomet (talk) 03:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Why...

...are you removing Category:White supremacy in the United States from articles such as Atomwaffen Division and Ku Klux Klan? Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken:::Because that they are categorized as Category:White supremacist groups in the United States which is a subcat of White supremacy in the United States so categorization level rules apply. Thanks Hmains (talk) 02:54, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Companies involved in the Holocaust has been nominated for renaming

Category:Companies involved in the Holocaust has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. (t · c) buidhe 08:45, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Human rights abuses

Why did you move the Capital punishment in Israel article from Category:Human rights in Israel to Category:Human rights abuses in Israel? As I understand it, a lawful punishment is not an abuse. Debresser (talk) 17:04, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Just because something in 'lawful' does not make it less a human rights abuse. Many human rights abuses are carried out by state actors, many under the color of law. Also see Capital punishment#Human rights. But do as you like. Thanks Hmains (talk) 17:13, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Please don't take it personal, but I will ask input on WP:ANI, since I think this is very bad logic. Please wait with more edits till it becomes clear if consensus is like you think or like I think. Debresser (talk) 17:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Fine. Do you see anything else other than capital punishment that you question whether it is a human rights abuse? I am using Category:Human rights abuses by country (which is based on Category:Human rights abuses) as my guide regarding what to use to populate country level categories. Thanks Hmains (talk) 17:40, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
In general: Category "Human rights" is a lot broader a category than "Human rights abuses".
Category:Slavery in the United States is very much about human rights, which developed through the issue of slavery (mainly the opposition to slavery, obviously), and not just about the abuse that is slavery. Debresser (talk) 18:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
An example close to the first one would be Category:Emergency laws by country. Emergency laws don't "abuse" human rights". They may limit them. And even then it can be argued, that, under the assumption that he emergency law serves a legitimate purpose, emergency laws do not limit but rather protect human rights. For example, the recent Israeli law limiting the number of people that can participate in protests comes to protect the human right to life and health. Debresser (talk) 18:40, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I fail to see what point you are trying to reach. Slavery is slavery is a human rights abuse so it is appropriately categorized as such. Abolitionism, on the other hand, is trying to obtain a human right so it should be (and now is) categorized in the Human rights category along with other such achievements. As for emergency laws statement, WP does not generally accept the mostly self-serving government justifications for their actions. WP looks at facts instead, which are often quite different. As Emergency law header says: "States of emergency can also be used as a rationale or pretext for suspending rights and freedoms guaranteed under a country's constitution or basic law, sometimes through martial law or revoking habeas corpus." Hmains (talk) 20:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)